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Have an out there question not as familiar with WCJD as many others here ... if she was carrying her shoes in hand was she bare foot or did she have another pair of shoes on? Weather in the south can vary were normally 70-80 up into Jan, but given it was Oct.....not sure barefoot would be ideal. This has been a random question dancing in the back of my mind for awhile ...
 
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Have an out there question not as familiar with WCJD as many others here ... if she was carrying her shoes in hand was she bare foot or did she have another pair of shoes on? Weather in the south can vary were normally 70-80 up into Jan, but given it was Oct.....not sure barefoot would be ideal. This has been a random question dancing in the back of my mind for awhile ...
Some times its warm and some years Halloween is very cold. I think it was said to be cold that year which explains the sweater(s?) she was wearing. If it had been hot that night she would have been burning up. But then again it could have been 80 degrees that night but much colder when she left where ever she started.
I am guessing she had to take the shoes off because they were hurting her feet.
 
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Some times its warm and some years Halloween is very cold. I think it was said to be cold that year which explains the sweater(s?) she was wearing. If it had been hot that night she would have been burning up. But then again it could have been 80 degrees that night but much colder when she left where ever she started.
I am guessing she had to take the shoes off because they were hurting her feet.

Understand the variable weather changes it has been rather crazy this year .. I do not know why whether she was wearing shoes at the time or not has roamed around in my mind. I know she was carrying shoes but did the people she encounter notice if she was barefoot or not. Sometimes I think about random and useless information ... LOL
 
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Understand the variable weather changes it has been rather crazy this year .. I do not know why whether she was wearing shoes at the time or not has roamed around in my mind. I know she was carrying shoes but did the people she encounter notice if she was barefoot or not. Sometimes I think about random and useless information ... LOL
I haven't heard that she was wearing different shoes. I think that was one of the ways the witnesses helped identify her. It doesn't seem that she was seen with a purse or bag at either place.
 
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The theory that WCJD was from a girl's home run by a religious pastor or group. Most of these homes didn't let the girls just leave and would often forcibly track them down and bring them back (or if they were homes run by cults, even kill them - Rose Cole). But, WCJD's demeanor ("who cares") doesn't suggest she feared being tracked down and captured.
 
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Have an out there question not as familiar with WCJD as many others here ... if she was carrying her shoes in hand was she bare foot or did she have another pair of shoes on? Weather in the south can vary were normally 70-80 up into Jan, but given it was Oct.....not sure barefoot would be ideal. This has been a random question dancing in the back of my mind for awhile ...
I think she had a huge argument with her parents or caregiver and left home wearing whatever she was wearing that day and wasn't prepared for various weather conditions. Either that or she was kicked out of her house for whatever reason, that would explain why she said "who cares?"
 
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I think the response "who cares" was more about the fact that a stranger was asking her so many questions. More of a "none of your business" response. When I was a kid we would respond like that when someone was annoying us.
From the descriptions of people who talked to her it seems she got in and got out. No one said she was hanging around. That says to me she was in a hurry to get somewhere or she had someone she was with. Why would you stay when your buddy is out waiting for you? I know that she was seen getting out of a blue car. Which place was that? Or was it at both places?
It might not be that she was afraid of being tracked down but her shutting down the waitress when she started asking questions might mean she thought it was possible someone could have a report that she was a runaway and too much information would lead the police to her. It could be that she did plan on going back home but not before she met whoever she planned to meet.
The response of being from Aransas Pass/Rockport has been a stumbling block. I'm not sure she was actually "from" there but more likely she had been staying there at some point or had family there. She might have some connection to the place but there doesn't seem to be any evidence that she was a long time resident. Could be that her family or a friend owned a beach house and she had stayed there during the summer. That would explain why no one at the schools recognized her and why people who grew up there don't know her.
I wonder about the route she took. Its possible she got a ride in Galveston and and started her journey up 45 from there. Otherwise she would have traveled through many towns and possibly on many different roads before reaching Huntsville.
Aransas Pass to Galveston is almost a 4 hour trip. Galveston to Huntsville is about 2 hours. This is according to Google maps with today's speed limits and roads. In 1980 it probably would have taken longer.
If you go through Victoria and up to Brenham and Navasota it would be about a 4 1/2 hour journey.
Not knowing the route she took its possible she had to go out of her way to get to her destination. This could easily make a days journey into two or three days. She had to have gotten food and water or stopped to go to the bathroom if that is the case. Even just making it out of Aransas Pass might have taken a while if she had to search out a ride.
On the other hand, if she had someone she knew who gave her a ride then the journey could have been done in the course of a few hours with few stops. Or they could have told her they would take her as far as a certain destination and she could find a ride from there.
 
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Why would she have gone through Galveston, which is quite out of the way from Aransas Pass/Rockport?

Or via Houston? Seems like there would be a lot more 0pportunities to catch a ride on that route than the other less populated roads.

Unless as you say she got a ride with somebody she knew. Entirely possible.
 
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Why would she have gone through Galveston, which is quite out of the way from Aransas Pass/Rockport?

Or via Houston? Seems like there would be a lot more 0pportunities to catch a ride on that route than the other less populated roads.

Unless as you say she got a ride with somebody she knew. Entirely possible.
45 ends in Galveston so I was curious if she traveled up the coast. If she traveled on 35 she would have ended up in south Houston. Since she was hitchhiking she would have to find someone traveling in the general direction she wanted to go. Someone could have picked her up and said they were headed that way and could drop her off where she could get a ride north. Its a straight shot from Houston to Huntsville.
If you are going to hitchhike you probably try to stick to main roadways because you don't want to end up in the middle of nowhere with a stranger. Or get thrown out and not know where you are.
Its strange that a girl that age wasn't carrying a purse or some sort of bag. That is why I wonder about her being with some one she knew. You wouldn't worry about leaving your bag in a friends car. Its also possible that she had someone steal or drive off with her things.
 
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Speculating: I've wondered if she got out of the car, went in to ask directions while her friend pulled around the pumps to get gas, and then went back outside to join him. I know she wasn't seen to do that, but it seems like the way she behaved that might be likely.
 
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Speculating: I've wondered if she got out of the car, went in to ask directions while her friend pulled around the pumps to get gas, and then went back outside to join him. I know she wasn't seen to do that, but it seems like the way she behaved that might be likely.
Whoever she was riding with had to have stopped for gas somewhere. It doesn't sound like she stuck around long at the Hitchin Post either. Even though it was dark and she wouldn't be able to visit the person she said she was going to see by that time. I doubt she planned to sleep on the sidewalk.
 
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What time of day would they release typically from the prison or the jail?

I have been reading through the thread and I feel like this was mentioned somewhere, but I cannot find it.

The Rockport reference is really interesting. Even it she wasn't from there, the mention of it means there is a connection to it somehow. Maybe it wasn't home, but the last place they stopped for gas..or a radio mentioned news spot. Maybe (and this is wild speculation) the person they could be picking up at the prison was from Rockport.

Let me be clear that last part is complete speculation. Reading through all the Girls Home articles really just intensified how targeted these young women still are. They are chosen because they have less chance of being looked for, and less credibility. Back to sleuthing.
 
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For those earlier in the thread who are frustrated at the old records and newspaper reports not being digitised and online... newer is not always better. For example with papers rather than a memory stick, you don't have to worry about being hacked.
 
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What time of day would they release typically from the prison or the jail?

I have been reading through the thread and I feel like this was mentioned somewhere, but I cannot find it.

The Rockport reference is really interesting. Even it she wasn't from there, the mention of it means there is a connection to it somehow. Maybe it wasn't home, but the last place they stopped for gas..or a radio mentioned news spot. Maybe (and this is wild speculation) the person they could be picking up at the prison was from Rockport.

Let me be clear that last part is complete speculation. Reading through all the Girls Home articles really just intensified how targeted these young women still are. They are chosen because they have less chance of being looked for, and less credibility. Back to sleuthing.
I have found a couple inmates with ties to the coast. That is about the only avenue I see at this time so I have been trying to make a list of who was there at the time and where they were from.
 
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For those earlier in the thread who are frustrated at the old records and newspaper reports not being digitised and online... newer is not always better. For example with papers rather than a memory stick, you don't have to worry about being hacked.
Or lose it all because the system or memory stick decided to quit working. Happend to me more than once lost 1,000 photos. My daughter has almost no childhood photos bc I trusted technology, was the good brands too.
 
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I waa thinking last night, I'd never even heard of Aransas Pass until WCJD. Is that a popular place? Would she even know of it if she hadn't been there at some point? I havent noted the population or if its tourist town or not so idk.
 
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I waa thinking last night, I'd never even heard of Aransas Pass until WCJD. Is that a popular place? Would she even know of it if she hadn't been there at some point? I havent noted the population or if its tourist town or not so idk.
It close to Corpus which is pretty big. People have probably heard of it but you would probably have to say its close to Corpus Christi for them to picture the area its in. More people would know Aransas Pass/Port Aransas than Rockport. That maybe why she said both Rockport and Aransas Pass. There are also smaller communities that no one would know unless they were very familiar with the place.
 
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Maybe someone should edit the title of this thread to warn for the post-mortem photo.

Speaking of the photo, does her hair look wavy/curly or is that just her layered haircut? I believe you had to have some layers in your hair to pull off the Seventies/Eighties "wing" style. Most of the missing girls look like they have naturally straight hair.

Is there a way to tell if a UID's hair has been permed or is naturally curly/wavy?
I looked at the post mortem photos.
Her hair looks to be naturally curly, about an inch in diameter. Her hair color looks like a level 6 brown with gold undertones. Doesn't appear to have been altered. The moment a naturally curly haired gal uses color, the follicles blow out and frizz is created. Those curls in the photo are delicate and fine. That's not chemically altered. MOO, with a disclaimer that cosmetology was my profession for 14 years, specializing in curly hair texture.
 
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For those earlier in the thread who are frustrated at the old records and newspaper reports not being digitised and online... newer is not always better. For example with papers rather than a memory stick, you don't have to worry about being hacked.
On the other hand, papers can be lost to fire and flood but once its on the internet there will be a permanent record of it. I don't know how many times I have heard of important evidence or documents being lost or destroyed in the police records storage.
Have they ever released any of the documents from the case? I really what to know what they did in regards to searching for her identity. A thought occurred to me today that she could have been reported missing but it was later recanted when they tried to follow up on it. There was a case where a mother went missing and the husband was finally forced to file a report but it was closed when a woman came into the station and said she was the missing woman and didn't want to be found. They didn't ask for any identification and it is believed it was the husband's mistress helping cover up a homicide. It could be someone reported her missing but when they were contacted again they lied and said she came home when she didn't.
 
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I remember high school yearbooks being checked, to the best of their availability, but I can't remember if middle school yearbooks were checked? If she were at the lower end of the age range or had dropped out, she might be in a middle school book.
I asked a social media event page coordinator for the Rockport TX reunion of 1983 to post the Namus link and sent the FB link on their page as well.
 

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