TX - Moriah Wilson, 25, prized cyclist, fatally shot before race, Austin, May 2022

[RickshawFan]

I'm betting KA is in the US offshore, e.g. Puerto Rico. She'd also totally blend in somewhere like Hawaii. I mean, she looks like a clone of Lori Vallow. True, LE caught up with Vallow because of some on-the-ball media folks, but she was hand in hand with her grave-digger pal (who's more distinctive-looking). The KA look in Hawaii is, like, a dime a dozen.

 

[SMK777]

You use a bank card via a banking institution. Banking institutions track money. Their computer systems flag accounts of interest.

So you believe she would still be tracked— and yet the US Marshals may not know about these foreign cards?

 

[RickshawFan]

If KA is using a credit card from an Indonesia bank based on a bank account she has abroad, then that would also give her funds to pay for a rental or hotel here in the U.S. without LE seeing any funds being withdrawn from her U.S. accounts.

Snipped for focus....

If you were a US hotel manager, would you accept funds drawn on an Indonesian account? I sure wouldn't.

Would you accept funds in rupiah? I sure wouldn't. I'd want $$$.

Money is moved around the world in huge financial, multinational, networks, including credit/debit card companies, like Mastercard, Visa, AMEX.

You could maybe exchange cash for cash at an exchange booth at an airport...I can't remember if I had to leave an ID last time I did this. But there also might be a $$$ limit on doing so.

 

[RickshawFan]

So you believe she would still be tracked— and yet the US Marshals may not know about these foreign cards?

Banking is multinational. That's how you can go to another country and use a card from your home bank. So, yep, US Marshals know about foreign banks....

 

[Sundog]

<snipped for focus> And any ATM in the US will be hooked to a US institution.

I am not sure about that. If we use a debit card at Chicago O'Hare International airport for the Bank of China which is not liked to a U.S. institution, how can the card holder be traced in the U.S.? It comes right out of an account in Beijing.

ETA: After googling, now I see that foreign based credit cards/debit cards partner with a U.S. bank to offer their services in the U.S. Same with U.S. banks that partner with other countries to allow U.S. credit cards like Visa, Mastercard, AmEx, Discover, to be used in their countries.

 

[SteveP]

So you believe she would still be tracked— and yet the US Marshals may not know about these foreign cards?

I am willing to bet that, other than where she is hiding at the moment, the US Marshals probably know most everything there is to know about KA by now. It is safe to assume that if we, or the press, are able to uncover something about KA, whether it be personal or business, then the Marshals are able to as well, and already have. And btw, I do not feel they are still as clueless to her whereabouts as their last statement would have us believe. JMO

 

[Sundog]

Snipped for focus....

If you were a US hotel manager, would you accept funds drawn on an Indonesian account? I sure wouldn't.

Would you accept funds in rupiah? I sure wouldn't. I'd want $$$.

Money is moved around the world in huge financial, multinational, networks, including credit/debit card companies, like Mastercard, Visa, AMEX.

You could maybe exchange cash for cash at an exchange booth at an airport...I can't remember if I had to leave an ID last time I did this. But there also might be a $$$ limit on doing so.

KA could pay cash at a hotel after withdrawing funds using a credit card or debit card from a foreign bank.

Also, if you do use your foreign bank card to pay for the hotel, the hotel gets the payment in U.S. dollars, not in rupiah or other foreign currency. The account holder pays the U.S. exchange amount by their foreign bank/credit card.

So if I pay $150 a night for a hotel in NYC using my Bank of China credit card, the hotel gets $150 U.S. and 1,006 Chinese yuan is charged to my credit card at current exchange rate. Or deducted from my account if using debit card.

Same, in reverse, if I use U.S. credit card or debit card in the PRC at a business or at an ATM machine that accepts the U.S. debit card.

 

[Sundog]

Banking is multinational. That's how you can go to another country and use a card from your home bank. So, yep, US Marshals know about foreign banks....

So after googling, I see that UnionPay, for example (which in the PRC is like Visa and Mastercard in the U.S.) has partnered with the Discover credit card network to operate in the U.S. I read online that Indonesia also uses UnionPay credit card system based in China.

So if KA is using an Indonesian-based credit card or debit card issue by UnionPay in China, ultimately it is connected to the Discover financial network as the U.S. partner bank.

ETA: Of course, it is connected to the Discover financial network in the U.S. only if KA is using the UnionPay credit/debit card in the U.S. If she is using it in Indonesia, there is no U.S. record, it goes directly through UnionPay in China.

 

[SMK777]

I am willing to bet that, other than where she is hiding at the moment, the US Marshals probably know most everything there is to know about KA by now. I think it is safe to assume that if we, or the press, are able to uncover something about KA, whether it be personal or business, then the Marshals are able to as well, and already have. And btw, I do not feel they are still as clueless to her whereabouts as their last statement would have us believe. JMO

I hope you’re right. I have utmost respect for law enforcement and the work they do. However, in cases such as the Delphi murders with the Indiana State Police, and the Summer Wells case, I often was assured by posters here, “They know who it is, they’re just remaining quiet as they prepare to make an arrest” and of course years later we know this wasn’t the case.

What gives you confidence when the US Marshal on News Nation recently said, “She could be anywhere. She could have left the US. She could be under an assumed name.” that this shouldn’t be taken at face value? I’d really love to be able to be confident regarding this present case. MOO

 

[Countem]

The following is all MOO.

I, personally, doubt that KA has fake identification. Law enforcement was able to easily trace KA on flights from Austin to Houston to NYC. This is likely because she used her real identification as evidenced by no alias being released by law enforcement. If she had fake identification, wouldn’t she have used it from the get-go instead of leaving a trail?

She could have easily left NYC’s airport using the subway or a bus as a cost-effective, anonymous escape route that would also allow her to blend in with the crowd.

My suspicion is that, after leaving the NYC airport, KA made her way to a friend or family member, who gave her money and/or a prepaid card and was willing to harbor her until a warrant was issued for her arrest (hence her getting dropped off at the Newark airport the day after the warrant was issued).

I believe that the airport drop was a red herring and that KA continued using anonymous transportation from there. She could be anywhere in the US at this point, but I have my doubts about her having taken an international flight and making it through customs without being identified.

All MOO and probably will turn out being entirely incorrect.

 

[SMK777]

If she had fake identification, wouldn’t she have used it from the get-go instead of leaving a trail?

SBM:
She may have used the 4 days between May 14 (La Guardia airport) and May 18 (Newark airport) to get fake ID.

 

[Countem]

SBM:
She may have used the 4 days between May 14 (La Guardia airport) and May 18 (Newark airport) to get fake ID.

Very true. I just feel like that is too tight of a turnaround for an internet-ordered fake ID, and, unless she has friends in low places, I would think that wandering around the streets of NYC or Newark asking for a fake ID would raise red flags. MOO.

 

[SMK777]

From Interpol's home page BBM:

What we do...

The General Secretariat provides a range of expertise and services to our member countries. We manage 19 police databases with information on crimes and criminals (from names and fingerprints to stolen passports), accessible in real-time to countries.

We offer investigative support such as forensics, analysis, and assistance in locating fugitives around the world. Training is an important part of what we do in many areas so that officials know how to work efficiently with our services.

This expertise supports national efforts in combating crimes across three global areas we consider the most pressing today; terrorism, cybercrime and organized crime.

Officials working in each specialized crime area run a variety of different activities alongside member countries. This can be investigative support, field operations, training and networking.

Importantly, since crimes evolve, we keep an eye on the future through research and development in international crime and trends.

What is INTERPOL?

Imagine you are the victim of a crime committed by someone from another country. How can police catch the person?

www.interpol.int

If you do a search on the INTERPOL official site for fugitives wanted by the US and put in KA’s name, gender, nationality, it always says, No matches. And yet she’s been on the run for a month.

View Red Notices

View and search public Red Notices for wanted persons

www.interpol.int

 

[SMK777]

Very true. I just feel like that is too tight of a turnaround for an internet-ordered fake ID, and, unless she has friends in low places, I would think that wandering around the streets of NYC or Newark asking for a fake ID would raise red flags. MOO.

Could someone have helped her with it ?

 

[SteveP]

I hope you’re right. I have utmost respect for law enforcement and the work they do. However, in cases such as the Delphi murders with the Indiana State Police, and the Summer Wells case, I often was assured by posters here, “They know who it is, they’re just remaining quiet as they prepare to make an arrest” and of course years later we know this wasn’t the case.

What gives you confidence when the US Marshal on News Nation recently said, “She could be anywhere. She could have left the US. She could be under an assumed name.” that this shouldn’t be taken at face value? I’d really love to be able to be confident regarding this present case. MOO

Obviously, I don't know anything more than anyone else here, but if Marshals do not know where KA is, all of those comments made are true, but that doesn't mean that they do not know the answers to some of them, i.e., "She could have left the US" (but we know that she did or did not), or "she could be under an assumed name" (but we know what name she is using, and are tacking it). When dealing with the press, I think it is much better to undersell and overdeliver, than to oversell and underdeliver. They surely know that KA is keenly aware of any comments or statements made by LE, and I believe they would prefer for her to realize that they know where she is when they knock her door down, and not a day or two before they get all of their ducks in a row, when she may still have time to run again.

I know that cases like the Delphi case and the Summer Wells case can make you lose faith in LE, but I do not think this case is nearly as complex as either of those two. In this case, they DO know WHO they are looking for, and just need to find her now. I have faith that they will. JMO

 

[SteveP]

Could someone have helped her with it ?

It's very possible, and imo, very likely, but I also think any direct help she may have been getting has probably come to a stop. It's one thing to want to help a friend or family member, but quite another to want to share a jail cell with them. JMO

 

[SMK777]

It's very possible, and imo, very likely, but I also think any direct help she was getting has probably come to a stop. It's one thing to want to help a friend or family member, but quite another to want to share a jail cell with them. JMO

Thanks, true.

I don’t know if you saw my post up thread, but I’m surprised that after 29 days KA is not listed on the INTERPOL site, nor on the FBI site for fugitives wanted for murder. Why do you suppose this is?

View Red Notices

View and search public Red Notices for wanted persons

www.interpol.int

Violent Crimes - Murders | Federal Bureau of Investigation

Select the images of suspects to display more information.

www.fbi.gov

 

[SteveP]

Thanks, true.

I don’t know if you saw my post up thread, but I’m surprised that after 29 days KA is not listed on the INTERPOL site, nor on the FBI site for fugitives wanted for murder. Why do you suppose this is?

View Red Notices

View and search public Red Notices for wanted persons

www.interpol.int

Violent Crimes - Murders | Federal Bureau of Investigation

Select the images of suspects to display more information.

www.fbi.gov

I believe she is not on the Interpol site because LE have probably seen nothing to suggest that she has fled the country, and may even know that she has not. As to why she is not listed on the FBI site, it may be as simple as the US Marshals have not asked for the FBI's help, as according to the link attached, which tells the differences between US Marshals and FBI, it is primarily the job of the US Marshals to hunt down fugitives. JMO

• Hunting fugitives. The Marshals Service is the primary federal agency for this job, catching more fugitives than all other law enforcement agencies combined.

FBI Agents vs. Deputy US Marshals

FBI Agents vs. Deputy US Marshals. The Federal Bureau of Investigation dates to 1908, when Teddy Roosevelt was president and Charles Bonaparte, his Attorney General, created the agency. The U.S. Marshals Service had its beginnings over 200 years earlier,

work.chron.com

 

[SMK777]

I believe she is not on the Interpol site because LE have probably seen nothing to suggest that she has fled the country, and may even know that she has not. As to why she is not listed on the FBI site, it may be as simple as the US Marshals have not asked for the FBI's help, as according to the link attached, which tells the differences between US Marshal and FBI, it is primarily the job of the US Marshals to hunt down fugitives. JMO

• Hunting fugitives. The Marshals Service is the primary federal agency for this job, catching more fugitives than all other law enforcement agencies combined.

FBI Agents vs. Deputy US Marshals

FBI Agents vs. Deputy US Marshals. The Federal Bureau of Investigation dates to 1908, when Teddy Roosevelt was president and Charles Bonaparte, his Attorney General, created the agency. The U.S. Marshals Service had its beginnings over 200 years earlier,

work.chron.com

Thanks for that. I didn’t really understand the difference between US Marshals and FBI agents.

Very interesting that they may not have turned to INTERPOL because they have reason to believe she’s still in the US (or elsewhere where they may be tracing her.)

 

[SteveP]

Thanks for that. I didn’t really understand the difference between US Marshals and FBI agents.

Very interesting that they may not have turned to INTERPOL because they have reason to believe she’s still in the US (or elsewhere where they may be tracing her.)

Honestly, after following cases here for over a decade, and having an extended family with several career LE, I wasn't sure what the differences are in Marshals and FBI either, and was quite surprised to read that it seems to be that catching fugitives is the Marshals area of expertise.