TX - Moriah Wilson, 25, prized cyclist, fatally shot before race, Austin, May 2022

[Sundog]

Great input....But KA is from TX, so going to NYC seems like it wouldn't be a regional assignment for a Visa.
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Maybe the NYC consulate provided faster service for the visa or there was no closer consulate for the country she had in mind. When I get a chance, I will look up consular offices for Indonesia and Singapore and see if where their offices are. The closest ones for KA may be have been in NYC. And if she intended to fly out of the country immediately after obtaining her visa, NYC might have been her best choice to get the visa and get an international flight.

 

[citizen_sleuth]

Here are the State Department instructions for travel to Indonesia.... She'd have to get a 30-day visa on arrival, and renew at 30 days one time only.

Indonesia International Travel Information

Indonesia international travel information and Travel Advisory

travel.state.gov

So, yep, Bali would be a bad choice except temporarily.

And we're forgetting that your passport is logged in and stamped at any country you enter. There's a trail.... IIRC Even diplomatic passports get stamped, although they don't go through customs.

True, although I don’t think the Indonesian authorities would realistically track down KA for overstaying her visa. The bigger concern is whether or not they would extradite her back to the US if she was found, which they most likely would not as Indonesia doesn’t have an extradition treaty with the US.

 

[PrairieWind]

The Indonesian consulate she would have needed to go to is in Houston. But I am almost certain that any consulate visit for a visa is going to require an appointment and I don't know if she could get an appointment in just a couple days.

 

[SMK777]

True, although I don’t think the Indonesian authorities would realistically track down KA for overstaying her visa. The bigger concern is whether or not they would extradite her back to the US if she was found, which they most likely would not as Indonesia doesn’t have an extradition treaty with the US.

So if the US Marshals went there, they couldn’t bring her back?

 

[citizen_sleuth]

The Indonesian consulate she would have needed to go to is in Houston. But I am almost certain that any consulate visit for a visa is going to require an appointment and I don't know if she could get an appointment in just a couple days.

Indonesia has visa on arrival so she could just fill out the form after landing there. Also, I’m not sure how Indonesia does it, but I never had to visit a consulate to get a visa for Thailand or Vietnam, they were issued online (and this was pre-pandemic).

 

[citizen_sleuth]

So if the US Marshals went there, they couldn’t bring her back?

I don’t believe so, extraditions have to be done in cooperation with local law enforcement, so the USMS can’t just show up in Indonesia and make an arrest without first getting permission from Indonesian authorities.

9-15.000 - International Extradition And Related Matters

www.justice.gov

 

[SMK777]

I don’t believe so, extraditions have to be done in cooperation with local law enforcement, so the USMS can’t just show up in Indonesia and make an arrest without first getting permission from Indonesian authorities.

9-15.000 - International Extradition And Related Matters

www.justice.gov

So even if found, she may never be held accountable. For her, crime may really pay.

 

[citizen_sleuth]

So even if found, she may never be held accountable. For her, crime may really pay.

Unfortunately, yes. In 2021, a French fugitive who had been convicted of a double murder and had been on the run for 20 years (!) was apprehended in Indonesia after his yacht sank. He wasn’t apprehended due to his French conviction for the double murder, though—he was arrested because he violated Indonesia’s immigration laws.

French fugitive captured in Indonesia after storm damages yacht - Archipelago - The Jakarta Post

Thierry Ascione, 62, and another French national made an emergency landing in the Talaud islands between the Philippines and Indonesia on October 3 to seek help for repairing the boat.

www.thejakartapost.com

 

[PrairieWind]

So if the US Marshals went there, they couldn’t bring her back?

They would have to have Indonesia's permission to do so. They aren't going to let foreign agents come into their country and arrest someone off their streets. But Indonesian might be persuaded to arrest her and turn her over IF there was something in it for Indonesia.

 

[SMK777]

They would have to have Indonesia's permission to do so. They aren't going to let foreign agents come into their country and arrest someone off their streets. But Indonesian might be persuaded to arrest her and turn her over IF there was something in it for Indonesia.

Hmmmmm…..what might that be? They couldn’t just cooperate to bring a murderer to justice?

 

[Cryptic]

@Cryptic@SMK777
IMO..I tend to think it depends on how remote the cabin/home/condo is located. At this time of the year in ski resort towns, population has decreased considerably down to the base local population. I don't believe LE necessarily patrols vacation homes but one way she could get caught is if a neighbor who lives year around next door calls LE instead of the out of town homeowner to report a suspicious person i.e... the looking out for the neighborhood, see something say something deal.

Now if KA is in a remote cabin given a key by the "BFF", and has transportation of some sort, and drives the 10,20,30 miles to nearest supermarkets, bars, restaurants, pedicure, yoga, botox etc...frequently, gets to know new people maybe, it's gonna end for her at some point. She is on TV more in last week than first 4. Then again, many up in the mountains do not have cable TV, they would have to be aware of KA Most Wanted case maybe by cell phone news like NEWSBREAK. AMOO

I agree about the neighbor possibility. I have a retired couple next to me who meticulously notes by sight or ring tone all the arrivals and departures of my whole family. Good thing I don't have any affairs as they see all and note all.

I also agree about the eventuality of her capture if hiding out in "BFF's" bunker. Any potential ' BFF' contact she has was probably going to be through the Mountain bike racing scene and/or associated interests such as yoga etc. .

Thus a potential "bunker" will likely be near those activities. So.. trips out of "the bunker" for groceries, botox and say, ultra organic this 'n that are going be straight into a community where the mountain bike centered love triangle and murder are big news.

She could try to find shelter in an area where the murder is not big news, but I think fugitives near instinctually run to places were they feel comfortable. Thus, Boulder is an option. The isolated south Utah mountain town run by the Mormon polygamist group? Not so much.

 

[Charlot123]

She is very pretty and that often causes people to take a second look. But I don't think it would take much (hat, glasses, different make-up) so that most people wouldn't make a connection unless they really looked. Also, Covid masks are really useful in this regard to cover her features and no one even thinks twice.

I also just noticed that the US Marshal poster for her says she was last "seen" being dropped off at Newark. So she was actually spotted by someone. But no indication of what she was wearing, unless indeed it was the same clothes she was seen in before.

Interesting, on the photos she is lean, but the person in the airport looks very different. I understand, the photos capture only head, neck and shoulders, but as a cyclist, she should be wiry. No such thing. Only long, thick hair matches.

 

[Charlot123]

Unfortunately, yes. In 2021, a French fugitive who had been convicted of a double murder and had been on the run for 20 years (!) was apprehended in Indonesia after his yacht sank. He wasn’t apprehended due to his French conviction for the double murder, though—he was arrested because he violated Indonesia’s immigration laws.

French fugitive captured in Indonesia after storm damages yacht - Archipelago - The Jakarta Post

Thierry Ascione, 62, and another French national made an emergency landing in the Talaud islands between the Philippines and Indonesia on October 3 to seek help for repairing the boat.

www.thejakartapost.com

Well, Indonesian prisons are worse than French ones.

 

[SMK777]

Well, Indonesian prisons are worse than French ones.

I suppose so. Still, I hope she hasn’t gone there or gotten the idea to go there from reading here.

I always get so invested in these cases, thinking there will be speedy justice (Summer Wells, Delphi murders, this one) and then they stall out and fade away…it’s very downheartening…..I can only imagine what Moriah’s family is feeling. Unless they’re of the thinking that KA’s arrest and conviction would still not undo the murder or restore what was lost to them.

 

[Sillybilly]

ADMIN NOTE:

Hey folks, please forego the transgender discussion unless there is some known fact in MSM or from LE to support such wild speculation. It is derailing this discussion and has no basis in fact whatsoever.

Thank you.

 

[SMK777]

Is anyone expecting to see an update from the US Marshals in the near future (say, in the next week— 10 days) or do you think they’ve lost the trail? I know @SteveP is optimistic and I’m trying to share his hopeful attitude.

 

[caradana]

I believe that now that this case has been elevated to major case status, it may be much harder for KA to travel through airports and take flights, but upon doing some research, I was a bit shocked to learn that for domestic flights, names are not routinely checked against any database for warrants, and unless one creates a scene at check-in, tries to stash drugs or weapons or such in their baggage, etc, or unless LE have specifically issued a BOLO for TSA agents to be on the lookout for someone, a person with an outstanding warrant would probably have little risk of flying in America. Airports are far more concerned with keeping terrorists off planes than they are keeping people with warrants off. However, if attempting to fly internationally, the name on the ticket is checked, and a person with an outstanding warrant would be flagged.

By now, I assume it may be a bit riskier for KA to try to fly domestically, as I would hope that all TSA agents have seen her picture, (though she could change her appearance easily) and it should be very difficult for her to fly internationally, but as of May 18, the warrant for KA had only been issued in Texas the day before, and no one was looking for her at that time. She could probably have flown anywhere. JMO

Does TSA Check For Arrest Warrants? (Domestic and International) [2022]

Traveling through airports and flying can already be a stressful experience for many people. But flying when you know you have a warrant out for your arrest can elevate that […]

www.uponarriving.com

SteveP - I agree 1000% with you.
A few years ago I was at a tech conference in San Jose and a panelist, a very significant guy, brought up the idea of a public/private technical draft in the United States to solve problems like this. The logic goes: ask Facebook, Google, Amazon, Twitter, Microsoft to serve up a thousand engineers and Agile scrum masters each in the service of the United States, and take this company-paid group of 5000 and brute force the architecture and code builds to solve problems like this one ^^^
Goal: return within 1 second of identification scan any open felony or higher warrant, federal or from any state; return within 1 second any interpol notice; notify record to homeland security in waiting rooms alongside TSA.

I don’t think anyone with an open felony or higher warrant or an interpol notice should be flying in the United States. Not talking parking tickets here. But the data science behind trying to solve this is so incredibly knotty; hundreds of systems; no enterprise standards. He was saying, let’s draft a pool of excellent engineers and go for fixing this, we’ll screw it up a bunch but eventually get there. This is 2022’s version of wartime draft. We don’t need muscular 18yos for this one. We need the nerds in the basements!!! (Like many of us)

 

[minneolo]

SteveP - I agree 1000% with you.
A few years ago I was at a tech conference in San Jose and a panelist, a very significant guy, brought up the idea of a public/private technical draft in the United States to solve problems like this. The logic goes: ask Facebook, Google, Amazon, Twitter, Microsoft to serve up a thousand engineers and Agile scrum masters each in the service of the United States, and take this company-paid group of 5000 and brute force the architecture and code builds to solve problems like this one ^^^
Goal: return within 1 second of identification scan any open felony or higher warrant, federal or from any state; return within 1 second any interpol notice; notify record to homeland security in waiting rooms alongside TSA.

I don’t think anyone with an open felony or higher warrant or an interpol notice should be flying in the United States. Not talking parking tickets here. But the data science behind trying to solve this is so incredibly knotty; hundreds of systems; no enterprise standards. He was saying, let’s draft a pool of excellent engineers and go for fixing this, we’ll screw it up a bunch but eventually get there. This is 2022’s version of wartime draft. We don’t need muscular 18yos for this one. We need the nerds in the basements!!! (Like many of us)

You forgot to ask BigLaw to ’draft’ reems of lawyers to litigate the privacy concerns through all the various jurisdictions

 

[DrQ]

IMHO It's a crying shame they can't arrest this S dude for being an AH. You would think he is the last available man in The Handmaid. This chick is Houdini. A lot of good things happen in the name of love and it can cover a multitude of sins. Too bad she was released. If she ever goes to prison, she can teach underground "I Almost Got Away With it" classes. Very sad for a promising young life to be cut short over what appears to be a not so wonderful partner. This definitely verifies the "hell hath no fury" story.

 

[caradana]

As a side note, the Big Bear, CA area has two thousand or so usually unoccupied vacation homes ranging in size from very basic cabins to mini mansions. I bet some Colorado areas may also have large numbers of vacation homes as well.

SO TRUE and @Cryptic ! You forgot to tell the Whites! Who needs a car wash in Evansville when a private chateau is to be had?!?