Still Missing UK - Bernadette Walker, 17, left parent's car, Peterborough, 21 July 2020 *Arrests* #4

[KarenUK]

I keep wondering, if I were on the jury could I say guilty beyond reasonable doubt? I obviously think he (and SaW) did it.

Depends on how you define reasonable doubt.... Did she run away from a car on a road that doesnt exist, leaving her phone and her bag with no money and never be heard of again, whilst her parents go out of their way to cover their tracks with fake messages etc while not reporting her missing for days - or did he kill her, hide her body in a vast area of nothingness (I mean that in a nice way) and fumble through with all these ridiculous stories of midnight journeys and phones disconnecting.

They can't 100% prove it, but I know which seems like it might have happened, and which sounds complete fantasy... But hey it worked for Casey Anthony!

 

[Gooner666]

For us newbies what are the acronyms RBSM AND MOO mean

 

[KarenUK]

For us newbies what are the acronyms RBSM AND MOO mean

Respectfully Snipped By Me and My Own Opinion

This might help: acronym guide

 

[jackal67]

I don't want to distract with other cases but here is the outline of the summing up at the Sarah Wellgreen trial in case it helps anyone.


UK - UK - Sarah Wellgreen, 46, Kent, 9 Oct 2018 #2 *B. Lacomba guilty*

Just had a good read of this case. Kent Live did an amazing job of covering this case and the trial. If only we could have had the same. Also the Prosecutor was great with her questions in comparison to BW s

 

[Gooner666]

I saw a comment made on Twitter that one of the defendants in this case actually worked for the Peterborough Telegraph- anyone confirm ? I am assuming ScW

 

[Alyce]

LinkedIn ..........



Scott Walker

Professional at Anything Horses
Peterborough, England, United Kingdom


The Telegraph Tipster


Bretton Wood School

 

[chimpface]

Shoutout to @Tortoise for some cracking posts in this thread.

 

[Tanzanite]

Shoutout to @Tortoise for some cracking posts in this thread.

Well said. Every time I feel a bit bleak about the prospects here, @Tortoise calmly and articulately indicates a way forward that gives renewed hope of justice being served.

Invaluable right now, thank you.

 

[MissMarbles]

A quick question for now, but does anyone know if railway sidings have been searched at any time by police? So far I've only heard about them searching rivers, fields, etc, and various buildings. We have railway lines in Peterborough, the mainline going North/South, and a branch going off east towards Ely/Cambridge areas.

 

[SuperStarSleuth]

May have completely missed it but was there no court today?

 

[MissMarbles]

May have completely missed it but was there no court today?

Nothing today, I believe it's either closing arguments or summing up tomorrow, maybe someone can confirm?

 

[MIdge28]

May have completely missed it but was there no court today?

No - the judge had a prior commitment- summing up starts tomorrow though.

 

[Alyce]

May have completely missed it but was there no court today?

Nothing today. They are back tomorrow. Should be Prosecution closing speech but as Tortoise said earlier, it may end up being Judge giving some remarks and leaving Pros until Monday.

 

[SuperStarSleuth]

Fingers crossed the just see what we see..

 

[SaintMoore]

The newborn baby, and the rest of the kids.

Yes I agree it was him he had more to lose which is exactly why I cannot understand why SaW was complicit in it. What did she have to lose that was far more important than her own daughters life?

 

[Mercsw]

A quick question for now, but does anyone know if railway sidings have been searched at any time by police? So far I've only heard about them searching rivers, fields, etc, and various buildings. We have railway lines in Peterborough, the mainline going North/South, and a branch going off east towards Ely/Cambridge areas.

they haven’t searched anywhere really. That’s the sad part. They did a bit around cowbit and a bit at cuckoos hollow. They also asked scw to point to places on a map where she ran off…but of course they don’t exist!

personally I’m not as convinced by rails, as the place he was would be the posh-Spalding-Lincoln line and it’s largely inaccessible. There’s better places in my opinion.

However I do wish we had more efforts to search. Maybe I’ve missed it and there has been efforts, but I’m not seeing it

 

[MsMiniSleuth]

The Crown Court
at Cambridge

Daily Courtroom List for Friday 16 July 2021
FINAL 2

CAMBRIDGE

Court 1 - sitting at 10:00 am

Mrs Justice McGowan



Trial (Part Heard)
T20207197 WALKER Scott
T1729420 WALKER Sarah

 

[CSIAngus]

they haven’t searched anywhere really. That’s the sad part. They did a bit around cowbit and a bit at cuckoos hollow. They also asked scw to point to places on a map where she ran off…but of course they don’t exist!

personally I’m not as convinced by rails, as the place he was would be the posh-Spalding-Lincoln line and it’s largely inaccessible. There’s better places in my opinion.

However I do wish we had more efforts to search. Maybe I’ve missed it and there has been efforts, but I’m not seeing it

I'm a great believer in leakage. The horses I think is exactly that. It has altered my view of events. I think ScW drove about on the Saturday (the 'scenic route') assessing whether he needed to kill BW and/or had the bottle, and wondering how or where he could do it. I think he eventually stopped at the gate of the horse field south of the Barn Garden Centre, having first driven passed into Dogsthorpe, then doubling back. There was a new foal in the field. BW would like to see it, which might lighten her mood. He parked by the gate which precluded others parking there. That is the 410 steps (about 300m, so within 150m of that gate). He killed BW there, by whatever means, and hid her body in the trees on the south side of the car dyke. He came back in the dead of night on foot having left his car and phone at the Harrier pub car park north of Uldale Way. The 8 steps there were him getting the spade out of the boot. He then walked on foot back to the trees, dug a hole and put BW in it. If I were to pick a detailed search location it would be there.

 

[MissMarbles]

I'm a great believer in leakage. The horses I think is exactly that. It has altered my view of events. I think ScW drove about on the Saturday (the 'scenic route') assessing whether he needed to kill BW and/or had the bottle, and wondering how or where he could do it. I think he eventually stopped at the gate of the horse field south of the Barn Garden Centre, having first driven passed into Dogsthorpe, then doubling back. There was a new foal in the field. BW would like to see it, which might lighten her mood. He parked by the gate which precluded others parking there. That is the 410 steps (about 300m, so within 150m of that gate). He killed BW there, by whatever means, and hid her body in the trees on the south side of the car dyke. He came back in the dead of night on foot having left his car and phone at the Harrier pub car park north of Uldale Way. The 8 steps there were him getting the spade out of the boot. He then walked on foot back to the trees, dug a hole and put BW in it. If I were to pick a detailed search location it would be there.

I can't remember which newspaper I saw it in, but Police did search the fields around the barn. It does make sense for the pub car park to be a match for that Phone ping though.

 

[Sooty]

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I'm a great believer in leakage. The horses I think is exactly that. It has altered my view of events. I think ScW drove about on the Saturday (the 'scenic route') assessing whether he needed to kill BW and/or had the bottle, and wondering how or where he could do it. I think he eventually stopped at the gate of the horse field south of the Barn Garden Centre, having first driven passed into Dogsthorpe, then doubling back. There was a new foal in the field. BW would like to see it, which might lighten her mood. He parked by the gate which precluded others parking there. That is the 410 steps (about 300m, so within 150m of that gate). He killed BW there, by whatever means, and hid her body in the trees on the south side of the car dyke. He came back in the dead of night on foot having left his car and phone at the Harrier pub car park north of Uldale Way. The 8 steps there were him getting the spade out of the boot. He then walked on foot back to the trees, dug a hole and put BW in it. If I were to pick a detailed search location it would be there.

I can see why you think this way but I would imagine that this is quite a risky choice for this crime. It is very close (just a few walking minutes) to dense residential population with footpaths and dog walking routes, busy thoroughfares and cycling routes.
My experience in lockdown was that the world and his wife was out walking dogs, jogging, cycling, strolling with mates, teenagers seeking outdoor adventures - just to grab some fresh air and a change of scene. I live in an area where we are just villages spread through our surrounding area and finding space to yourself, where you previously were used to finding it, was nigh on impossible! Particularly at midday on a Saturday afternoon in July. Even if he was lucky to stay invisible in the few minutes an actual murder may have taken, there would have been a struggle, screaming, and then attempting to conceal a body where a dog, or a person might discover it; in this potentially busy location, at this peak time, would be very risky indeed.
I am not familiar with the area just a few minutes further out of the city towards the fens, but I would imagine the further you go the less risk there is.
Horses can be found anywhere if you are looking for them and you have a car at your disposal, if you feel this is key ‘slippage’.