UK - Nurse Lucy Letby, murder of babies, 7 Guilty of murder verdicts; 8 Guilty of attempted murder; 2 Not Guilty of attempted; 5 hung re attempted #36

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Her assessor Nicola Lightfoot, deputy ward manager on the children’s unit at the Countess of Chester Hospital, said Letby did not have the “overall characteristics” to become a successful registered nurse. [...]

She said: “As I was coming out of the break room I passed Lucy, who didn’t see me. She was coming out of her unit and greeting a member of the night staff that was coming on and I heard her say something along the lines of: ‘You’ll never guess what’s happened.’ The way she said it seemed like she was talking about some sort of exciting event she had witnessed.

“It wasn’t an appropriate response to the death of a child. I have never, and I have never since, seen a response like that to a nurse involved in a patient’s passing.”

 
Lucy Letby gave a potentially fatal dose of morphine to a newborn baby two years before she murdered her first victim, an public inquiry into her crimes has heard.

The child received 10 times the amount of the painkiller at the end of a night shift in July 2013 and could have died if colleagues at handover had not spotted the error an hour later.

[...]

Another dosage error by Letby was flagged up in April 2016 when she administered an antibiotic which was not prescribed and not due.



I suppose this would only have been relevant to the defence in her trial if she'd raised a defence of incompetence/accidental errors.
 
Lucy Letby gave a potentially fatal dose of morphine to a newborn baby two years before she murdered her first victim, an public inquiry into her crimes has heard.

The child received 10 times the amount of the painkiller at the end of a night shift in July 2013 and could have died if colleagues at handover had not spotted the error an hour later.

[...]

Another dosage error by Letby was flagged up in April 2016 when she administered an antibiotic which was not prescribed and not due.



I suppose this would only have been relevant to the defence in her trial if she'd raised a defence of incompetence/accidental errors.
I doubt Letby would have been open to that. Arguing she was incompetent would hurt her ego too much.

MOO
 
I doubt Letby would have been open to that. Arguing she was incompetent would hurt her ego too much.

MOO
Yeah, and it wouldn't have washed anyway. Not with having to deliberately bypass the air detection systems, turning off monitors, pulling breathing tubes, not recording the double milk feeds and having to use a plunger to force in the extra milk, shoving things down their throats, adding insulin to the feed bags, crushing baby O's liver, altering the notes, inventing doctors visits etc. Obviously these were non-accidental acts, as decided by the jury.
 
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"On Thursday, jurors were read more excerpts from police interviews with the defendant following her arrest.

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The detective said: “Did you ever make any mistakes?”

“No,” replied Letby."

 


New evidence seen by the BBC suggests more babies in Lucy Letby’s care were harmed – and in one case poisoned with insulin.

[...]

Panorama has also discovered that potentially life-threatening incidents occurred on almost a third of Letby’s 33 shifts while training at Liverpool Women’s Hospital in 2012 and 2015.

In one case, from November 2012, a baby boy collapsed and water was subsequently discovered in his breathing tube – a highly irregular occurrence. The clinical notes confirm that the nurse looking after him was Letby.

[...]

Cheshire Police is continuing to investigate other cases the force believes the nurse may have been involved in, including the Liverpool incidents.

Mr McDonald plans to take Letby’s case to the Criminal Cases Review Commission (CCRC) to apply for it to be sent back to the Court of Appeal.
 
I haven't watched the Panorama because this interview with the show producer was off-putting

One example.
Coffey, however, writes that his concern “that Letby could be innocent trumps all others”. He tells me: “I’ve worried about that every day and night. That’s not to say I’m saying she is [innocent], but it is one of a range of worries that has informed the book.”

Sunday Times 20 Oct 2024

This Times interview with Jonathan Coffey ( and Judith Moritz) was a promotion for Panorama and for the new book they have co-authored ( The book which one of the family's KCs criticised at the start of Thirlwall.) TBH the Times piece has a lot of other problematic material which many WS members would likely point out.

Anyway..... on the subject of their new book
The father of the victim babies L & M made this point at the inquiry (page 6 of PDF)

No doubt that this issue of forthcoming books is problematic. I guess if you're a parent and have had to suffer this incessant nonsense with journalists, public figures and politicians jumping on the Letby Loons' bandwagon, it must feel like another blow.


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Personally I just don't see how you can write a book in early 2024 to ' unmask' the perp, when prosecutions & inquiry is still ongoing and so few can speak on the record and so little material can be divulged at this stage
 
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I think Dr Brearey didn't want it to give her the files as could easily be "lost".

“So I said to him will you share the contents of that drawer, of which he refused. He just said she needs to be moved off the neonatal unit. I am aware that she’s on this weekend.

“So I said to him: ‘I can’t remove a nurse from a clinical practice just because you’ve got a feeling and a drawer of doom which … you will not share with me. So I wasn’t getting anywhere with him.”

 
Here's an interesting article.

"In one text, sent in May 2017, almost a year after Letby had been removed from the unit, Mrs Rees wrote: ‘Hang in there, girl…your nursing team are fully behind you. We will get through this, lol (lots of love) K.’"

Think KR is saying yeh the docs are at you but your fellow nurses have got your back.

More details on the potentially harmed babies before those years as well. Including one baby with WATER in his breathing tube.

"According to the BBC’s Panorama, in one case, from November 2012, a baby boy being cared for by Letby collapsed and WATER was later discovered in his breathing tube, which experts say is highly IRREGULAR."


I don't know about KR but she seems genuinely empathetic here. She focused unfortunately on one of LL weapons, ll appeal to empathy.
 
More propaganda.

Yawn

When McDonald finds new evidence, no doubt he will approach the appropriate body (CCRC) to pursue a legitimate appeal.

Until then, he should respect the families of the victims who have asked for this to stop. IMO
It’s just propaganda that the families have said they want this to stop and it’s a disservice to the families that you are pushing one agenda instead of allowing open discussion. The families themselves want a full investigation and other people where required to be held accountable. That is the reason the inquiry is now legally enforcing witnesses to attend
 
It’s just propaganda that the families have said they want this to stop and it’s a disservice to the families that you are pushing one agenda instead of allowing open discussion. The families themselves want a full investigation and other people where required to be held accountable. That is the reason the inquiry is now legally enforcing witnesses to attend
Have you been following that Statutory Inquiry?

LADY JUSTICE THIRLWALL: [...] Pg.5 Day 1: In the months since the Court of Appeal handed down its judgment, there has been a huge outpouring of comment from a variety of quarters on the validity of the convictions. So far as I'm aware, it has come entirely from people who were not at the trial. Parts of the evidence have been selected and criticised, as has the conduct of the defence at trial, about which those defence lawyers can say nothing. All of this noise has caused enormous additional distress to the parents who have already suffered far too much.


MR SKELTON: [...] My Lady, I represent the Families of Children A, B, L, M, N and Q. [...] page 25: My Lady, finally I must make a request to the public and to the media. As you've said in your opening remarks on Tuesday, of recent weeks and days there has been a great deal of speculation about Lucy Letby's guilt and there are strongly held and articulated questions in some quarters that she may be the unlucky victim of a miscarriage of justice. You rightly said that those raising those questions would not have been present at Lucy Letby's trials, and so unlike the juries that convicted her, they are not in a position to weigh up the evidence and reach an informed view. They are not, for example, aware that Lucy Letby was not convicted on the basis of questionable statistics but because the factual and expert medical evidence demonstrated beyond reasonable doubt that she had harmed the children at the hospital. You are not conducting an assessment of all the available evidence about Lucy Letby's guilt, and this Inquiry will not consider those matters over its forthcoming evidence. But she was assisted at the time by a first rate defence team, and it is important for the public to understand the decision-making that occurred within that trial about the use of expert evidence, for example, before coming to a view about what may now amount to a miscarriage. It is also important that people monitoring the Letby case don't demonstrate precisely the type of mindset and fallibilities that I have described in this opening statements; fallibilities that demonstrated closed-mindedness when it comes to facts that don't support your own opinions. I would urge those people as a starting point to consider the Court of Appeal judgment that has rejected outright Letby's application to appeal her convictions. It takes about 90 minutes to read. It is the result of very careful analysis by very experienced senior judges; in the clearest terms it upholds the convictions and arguments that continue to underpin speculation about her trial. Finally I'd also urge you to follow the evidence that will be given to this Inquiry. As you, my Lady, stated in your opening remarks, you are not investigating her guilt. But you are investigating those that worked with her, those that knew her, and ultimately those who suspected that she was committing murder. Those witnesses who give evidence to you will be seeking to explain why those suspicions arose and why she was not caught sooner. That, not Letby's conviction, must now be the focus of everyone's attention. Thank you, my Lady.

MR BAKER: [page 27] My Lady, I speak on behalf of the Families of Child C, Child D, Child E, Child F, Child G, Child H, Child J, Child K, Child O, Child P and Child R. I am also instructed by the Family of Child U, a child not named on the indictment, but whose Family are assisting the Inquiry. [...] page 28: My Lady, the position of the Families in this Inquiry is unique. They are anonymised by ciphers, as are their children. Some are concerned that this has the effect of dehumanising them in the eyes of the public and media, and has cultivated an environment where people feel able to express vile opinions through social media, an environment where the serial killer who murdered or attacked their children is, by contrast humanised or even venerated. My Lady, you have met the Families. You will know that they are real people. You will understand that they have a simple and reasonable aim: to live normal lives as disconnected from the monster who harmed them as possible. They have no interest in becoming permanent attractions at a ghoulish sideshow. Their request is to be allowed to grieve in private or for their surviving children to never know of the role that they played in this story. More tragically still, they feel that revealing their identities would cause them to become the focus for ill-will. My Lady, what has society come to, where the parents of murdered or injured children should live with this fear? Everybody who recklessly promotes conspiracy theories, or who parrots without questioning the same tired misconceptions about this case, should be ashamed of themselves.The Families, along with the jury, collectively sat through ten months of evidence and in the case of Family K, two trials. They did so with impressive dignity. They heard the evidence against her and have no doubt that she was guilty. The jury had no doubt that she was guilty. The trial was overseen by an experienced High Court judge and reviewed comprehensively and with care by the Court of Appeal. This process conducted with scrupulous fairness and with exhausting detail is arrogantly ignored by those who criticise the outcome. Those individuals offer superficial opinions based upon second or third hand accounts, expressing conclusions that it might be generous to call on occasion "half-baked". In the meantime, the Families, the jury, the judge, the Court of Appeal, and even the team who represented Letby at trial, must remain silent while others use the losses suffered by those Families as currency to build their own reputations. This is an intolerable burden for the Families to bear, and as I have said before, it is harmful and toxic to them.

 
Hmm this article is questioning the strength in the conviction of baby c and I haven't seen anyone post it. Sorry if already has but its interesting.

It's stating the cumulative indications of this baby med files looks like someone pumped him full of air but only thing is she wasn't there on the fist occasion this happened which would presumably indicate some other health issue that flared up again and was the eventual cause of death. I'm wondering if anyone knows it well enough to give a summary for what evidence it was that got her convicted for it. That article really makes it look unsafe but I know this girl so don't doubt it really.

"During the trial, prosecution experts said an X-ray of the baby showed a “marked gaseous distention of the stomach”, which they suggested was due to a deliberate pumping of gas into his feeding tube.

However, the X-ray was taken on June 12, when Letby was not working and had not been on shift since the morning of June 10, BBC’s File on 4 programme reported."

 
The detective said: “Did you ever make any mistakes?”

“No,” replied Letby."
RSBM
How dare you?! How dare you suggest that I (I, Lucy Letby!) would ever make a mistake! No, everything I have done has been intentional, you silly little person. I killed them on purpose, as I said.
 
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"Benjamin Myers KC, for Letby, told the court that the attempted murder charge should have “stayed” as an “abuse of process” due to “overwhelming and irremediable prejudice” caused by media coverage of her first trial.

It is an exceptional case, with exceptional media interest, and therefore exceptional unfairness is capable of arising, notwithstanding the safeguards that are often employed
Benjamin Myers KC

He said: “The learned judge was wrong to reject the application made by the defence at the outset of the trial to stay the indictment as an abuse of process.”

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Letby, formerly of Hereford, watched the hearing via a video link from HMP Bronzefield, wearing a green dress.

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The hearing before Lord Justice William Davis, Lord Justice Jeremy Baker and Mrs Justice McGowan, which is expected to conclude on Thursday, continues."

 
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