UK - Prince Andrew accused of underage sexual relationship, 1999 - 2002

[CoverMeCagney]

Off Topic but related

It is selfishness, they want their gravy train keep on and for the British people to keep paying up.

Just for clarity the royal family costs each of us £1 a year.

 

[JDG]

Members of my British family would respectfully disagree with that figure, but okay.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

Members of my British family would respectfully disagree with that figure, but okay.

2019 cost £67 million
Population 68 million

 

[beatrixpotter]

2019 cost £67 million
Population 68 million

Maybe there is some special math involved that makes it more than £1 a year.

 

[Dotta]

Daughters dragged into lawsuit

https://www-dailymail-co-uk.cdn.amp...-Andrews-daughter-Beatrice-Pizza-Express.html

 

[Cool Cats]

Prince Andrew sex abuse accuser Virginia Giuffre seeks British authorities’ help finding witnesses in civil lawsuit

NEW YORK — Lawyers for a woman who accused Jeffrey Epstein pal Prince Andrew of abusing her want British authorities’ help tracking down a witness who saw her with Andrew decades ago.

Virginia Giuffre’s lawyers on Friday asked Manhattan Federal Judge Lewis Kaplan to seek help from the Senior Master of the Royal Courts of London to find the eyewitness, Shukri Walker.

Giuffre says Walker saw her with Andrew at a London night club before he abused her in March 2001. She wants her lawyers to depose Walker as part of her lawsuit against the British royal.

“Because Prince Andrew has denied ever meeting (Giuffre) or being at Tramp Nightclub during the relevant time period, Ms. Walker’s testimony is highly relevant,” Giuffre’s lawyer Sigrid McCawley wrote the judge.

Walker’s lawyer Lisa Bloom — who represents several Epstein victims — told the FBI in August 2020 that her client could corroborate Giuffre’s claim that she was at the nightclub with Andrew, according to The Guardian.

Giuffre claims Ghislaine Maxwell was there, too.

 

[Cool Cats]

How Prince Andrew became the Queen’s impossible choice

Prince Andrew reportedly won't attend the Queen's Platinum Jubilee celebrations after she stripped him of his military titles

It must have been unbearable for the Queen in the twilight of her impeccable reign, and preparing to celebrate her Platinum Jubilee, to have had to choose between being a monarch or a mother. Yet, her decision should come as no surprise.

Although it is often said that Andrew is her favourite child, the regal code of duty – country first, familial devotion second – is imprinted in her DNA. Like her grandmother, Queen Mary, who overrode her own maternal instincts to save the monarchy at the time of Edward’s VIII’s abdication in 1936, the Queen, now 95, will do whatever necessary to preserve the institution to which she has pledged her entire life.

It is no exaggeration to say that the reputational damage of Andrew’s staggeringly ill-advised friendships with convicted paedophiles Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell looks set to shake the foundations of the monarchy with force not seen since the abdication of the Duke of Windsor in 1936.

The problem when royals become mere mortals is that they suddenly find themselves with little to give ballast to their lives.

Andrew first had a taste of exclusion from The Firm in November 2019; in the wake of public outrage at his car-crash Newsnight interview, he issued a statement saying that he was stepping down from life as a working royal due to his “ill-judged” association with Epstein.

Alas, far from a sybaritic future, it was Prince Andrew’s money problems that drew him into multi-millionaire Jeffrey Epstein’s vile orbit in the first place. Just as Edward was obsessed with never having enough money, Andrew now has huge legal bills and security costs to foot.

Unlike the Windsors, who were unable to have children, Andrew and Sarah have Beatrice, 33, and Eugenie, 31 – and now grandchildren, too. The princesses have said nothing in public.

In private, insiders say, they are mortified. Beatrice, in particular, is said to be “absolutely devastated” that her 18th birthday ball was besmirched when a photograph came to light of Harvey Weinstein, Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell standing in the Windsor grounds.

 

[MrsWatson]

Virginia Giuffre seeks testimony from Prince Andrew’s former assistant

Prince Andrew’s longtime accuser Virginia Giuffre is seeking testimony from his former equerry, according to court papers in her sexual abuse lawsuit against the royal.

The attorneys said in court filings that they would like to question Olney about Andrew’s relationship with Epstein and Maxwell. Giuffre’s lawyers also said they wanted to ask him about “any communications with or regarding plaintiff,”, as well as Andrew’s travel to New York City and “to or from any of Jeffrey Epstein’s homes”.

 

[Dotta]

PA fears financial ruin

Prince Andrew's lawyers want to quiz accuser Virginia Giuffre's husband | Daily Mail Online

 

[Dotta]

OMG
This lawsuit will be absolutely riveting!
Virginia's hubby as a witness?
Other famous people giving testimony?
Im going to be glued to my phone reading updates

 

[tayaway]

OMG
This lawsuit will be absolutely riveting!
Virginia's hubby as a witness?
Other famous people giving testimony?
Im going to be glued to my phone reading updates

They want each other's medical: does PA really not sweat? does VRG have false memories? It's not until the fall though, so a lot can happen before then. How long does PA have to appeal the judge's decision to go to trial?

 

[Dotta]

Can PA declare himself bankrupt???
Maybe he can write a book about his extraordinary life and earn some bucks.

Again "false memories" strategy. Yawn.
They didnt help GM, did they?

 

[mickey2942]

Analysis: Queen left with no choice but to cast Prince Andrew adrift. But is it enough? - CNN

This article was interesting, because I couldn't understand why QE would completely disengage from PA, so publicly. According to this article, QE is only "Queen" at the behest of Parliamentary support, hence "public support".

So, if she didn't publicly cut ties with PA, it could have created a crisis. Especially since many veterans were vocal with their disgust about PA.

Sad day for QE.

 

[Puzzles]

From the BBC:

"...The prince's lawyers want to question his accuser's husband, Robert Giuffre, about their household finances and how he met his wife around 2002, according to court documents.

They also want to ask her psychologist, Dr Judith Lightfoot, about subjects they discussed at her sessions and see her doctors' notes and medicines prescribed..."

It appears Andrew will continue to reveal himself as a desperate and debauched sleaze.

Prince Andrew's lawyers say accuser may have false memories

 

[tedtink]

2019 cost £67 million
Population 68 million

On top of that is £125 million on security.
Less than half the 68 million population are tax payers.
The total cost is thought to be around £345 million. (debatable)


The true cost of the royals

 

[Dotta]

From the BBC:

"...The prince's lawyers want to question his accuser's husband, Robert Giuffre, about their household finances and how he met his wife around 2002, according to court documents.

They also want to ask her psychologist, Dr Judith Lightfoot, about subjects they discussed at her sessions and see her doctors' notes and medicines prescribed..."

It appears Andrew will continue to reveal himself as a desperate and debauched sleaze.

Prince Andrew's lawyers say accuser may have false memories

Hmm...
Writing some names on a piece of paper and shuffling some documents might justify high fees

I think it is decided that a settlement will be reached.

Otherwise, it would end in "such a beautiful catastrophe".

MOO

 

[tedtink]

I think it is decided that a settlement will be reached.

Agreed.
I've no doubt a settlement will be reached. IF A can afford it!

'Accuser may have false memories'................

Does 'A' even have a memory at all? He doesn't even seem to recall meeting her!

JMO

 

[Dotta]

PA's plans

https://www-dailymail-co-uk.cdn.amp...-spectacular-John-Profumo-style-comeback.html

 

[Satchie]

It is no exaggeration to say that the reputational damage of Andrew’s staggeringly ill-advised friendships with convicted paedophiles Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell looks set to shake the foundations of the monarchy.

We've all seen that photo, and can't unsee it. And I'm no fan of Andrew in particular, and his insistence that his daughters be treated as princesses, etc. I agree it's good for him to retire from claiming all these royal privileges.

But my innate dislike of hypocricy wants to note that Epstein was not a convicted pedophile at the time. Nor was there anything resembling the Me Too movement.

I remember that time well, I was personally extremly offended by the saturated sexualization of young women, everywhere but particularly in the media. I was hit on by older men when I was in my early teens, people, including my mother, told me it was a compliment. The tabloids that now condemn him had their topless 'sunshine girls', the age of consent in the UK was and is 16, Hugh Hefner and innumerable others were much admired for their teen age girlfriends. Etc, etc.

I just think the somewhat hysterical response is so that the rest of society can pretend they didn't condone, applaud, and encourage these attitudes towards young women, beginning in the 60's.

JMO

 

[Forest_Wood]

Analysis: Queen left with no choice but to cast Prince Andrew adrift. But is it enough? - CNN

This article was interesting, because I couldn't understand why QE would completely disengage from PA, so publicly. According to this article, QE is only "Queen" at the behest of Parliamentary support, hence "public support".

So, if she didn't publicly cut ties with PA, it could have created a crisis. Especially since many veterans were vocal with their disgust about PA.

Sad day for QE.

"With no official duties to perform, he will no longer receive public funds but will be free as a private citizen to take paid work in the private sector or source money through other private means to fund his very expensive legal effort. That would have been seen as a conflict of interest while he was an HRH."

So as a private citizen, he can work or source money some other way. I wonder how he will earn money now? It’s hard to believe he won’t be getting some kind of money coming in due to his privilege. MOO.