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That is very intriguing finding. For past 2-3 days I am going through all the old newspapers and sites to try to find out more details on the man's case from March 1976, plus to see more on connection to this Jane Doe but strangely can't find any mention of his case anywhere and it is also not appearing as unsolved under North Carolina unsolved unidentified or unsolved murders. He might have been identified by now and murder solved but I can't believe there was no further mention of his brutal murder locally or anywhere else in news over the years.

Copy pasting article here, so people don't have to open pdf

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Mostly what is popping up in searches is fugitive William Bradford Bishop Jr. case as annihilation of his whole family happened in the same month - March, and he burried them all in NC. He was last seen in Jacksonville, NC interestingly not too far from where that unknown man body was found 3 weeks later.

Link - Bradford Bishop - Wikipedia


Well, I have to add I have just double checked Doe Network site again and to my surprise, here he is, his case. Not sure why I have not seen him before. He is also still unidentified!

Details of his case:
1926UMNC

Date of Discovery: March 31, 1976
Location of Discovery: Moncure, Chatam County, North Carolina
Estimated Date of Death: 2 weeks prior
State of Remains: Not recognizable - Decomposing/putrefaction
Cause of Death: Unknown

Physical Description
Estimated Age: 20-40 years old (likely 25-35)
Race: White
Gender: Male
Height: 5'9"
Weight: 150 lbs.
Hair Color: Brown body hair (head missing)
Eye Color: Unknown
Distinguishing Marks/Features: Appeared to be in good health and in very good shape with an athletic build.

Identifiers
Dentals: Not available.
Fingerprints: Not available. Foot and palm prints are available.
DNA: Not available.

Clothing & Personal Items
Clothing: Pair of socks and an athletic supporter.
Jewelry: Unknown
Additional Personal Items: Unknown

Circumstances of Discovery
The victim was located in the Cape Fear River near the Carolina Power & Light plant intake valve. He was likely put in the water upstream in either Haw River or Deep River. His head and fingers had been removed. The lower part of his body was bound with 15 feet of chain.

Link - 1926UMNC

Added by me: Post mortem is estimated to be 2 weeks prior, which would be just one week after Bishop was seen nearby. With all the hallo around his case one would think that this John Doe woud be double checked against him or at least DNA was obtained from him by now. (All just in my humble opinion).
 
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Where does one find the rule outs?
 
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There are 224 Exclusions for this UID.
Unfortunately, I'm having technical issues trying to copy them over.
 
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Is this unknown person male or female? The description does not match with the thread title.
 
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This Jane Doe's NamUs profile was modified on 1/12/23, but now all of the rule outs that were listed are gone.
It's seems like Jane Doe cases in VA have their matches disappear - I am thinking maybe she is close to being identified. It's been over 2 years since they reached out to people that matched her on GedMatch.
 
  • #30
Is she still showing no ruleouts? Perhaps all the VA cases had to be redone due to an error in the first checks. Or perhaps the DNA they thought they have for this body turned out to be not hers?

Can't believe there were DNA matches (albeit remote ones) and she's still unnamed unless there was an error with her DNA. One of the unusual cases where people still care enough but it's still not enough.
 
  • #31
Is she still showing no ruleouts? Perhaps all the VA cases had to be redone due to an error in the first checks. Or perhaps the DNA they thought they have for this body turned out to be not hers?

Can't believe there were DNA matches (albeit remote ones) and she's still unnamed unless there was an error with her DNA. One of the unusual cases where people still care enough but it's still not enough.
0 Missing Person Exclusions
 
  • #32
When I was contacted about this case I reached out to a DNA group I belong to. CeCe Moore saw my post and contacted me to ask how the testing had been done. She checked and this case was not with Parabon. I gave her contact info to the detective to get help. He said it was his first DNA case. I so wanted to help.
I thought he had submitted Jane Doe to the DNA Doe Project, but may have misunderstood the name.
Maybe if the testing was not done in the best way… they could have started over and deleted the rule outs.
 
  • #33
When I was contacted about this case I reached out to a DNA group I belong to. CeCe Moore saw my post and contacted me to ask how the testing had been done. She checked and this case was not with Parabon. I gave her contact info to the detective to get help. He said it was his first DNA case. I so wanted to help.
I thought he had submitted Jane Doe to the DNA Doe Project, but may have misunderstood the name.
Maybe if the testing was not done in the best way… they could have started over and deleted the rule outs.

It wasn't just this body, VA privated thousands of rule-outs for ALL of their cases a while ago. They still show up on the pages for the missing people they were compared against, so it's not like they were retracted though. I think they just hid some automatic DNA exclusions.
 

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