Why haven't Terri's parents filed for grandparents visitation rights?

[Kimster]

I hope Baby K's grandparents do get to see her. I never fully understood the situation about KH taking Baby K, and the baby not being allowed to even have supervised visits with her mom ? LE and DSHS would probably arrange for supervised visits,if the parents were in agreement. I once cared for a child whose mother had murdered her father ( drug related ). The judge ordered visits between mom and child ( aged 20 months ), based on the importance of attachment bonds between mother and child. The child eventually went to live with her aunt, but she continued to have visits with her mom in jail. So, I wondered about this situation.....

All JMO

I have mixed feelings about kids seeing their parents when the parents are criminals. But, for fear of being OT and suffering the wrath of a TO :innocent: I will say I hope TH's parents go above and beyond and see baby K whenever possible. She needs them a great deal.

 

[gitana1]

This questions presupposes that they want to or need to.
Sometimes I get the sense that this whole thing is being viewed as some sort of war of the roses style, ugly divorce case with spouses and their families battling over typical divorce issues. But this case is far different.
There's a little boy missing, who has been missing for almost three months and who may be dead. The Moultons have a lot on their plates, like keeping their only child out of prison. I think the last thing on their minds is publicly fighting in court for visitation rights.
BTW, I don't think securing those rights would be that easy anyhow. From what I can tell, OR courts look at things such as whether the grandparents were primary caregivers of the child at one point or whether denying visitation would be a detriment to the child. That last one is actually not easy to prove in a court of law. For example, the argument that, "We love our grand kid and she loves us and we miss each other", would not be enough to show detriment, in my experience. Usually, some sort of very regular and significant presence in the child's life that has suddenly been ripped away with obvious distress on the part of the child as a result, would need to be shown, IMO. A great example would be grandparents who raised a child for several months or a year or so who are suddenly out of the child's life for whatever reason and are now being denied contact.
Also, the visitation in these kinds of cases that is typically granted is quite minimal. Example? A week in the summer and a couple weekends per year for older kids, less for younger ones.
I just don't see why the Moultons would want to open that can of worms right now with all they are dealing with. It would make more sense IMO to do so if TH was convicted of something and Kaine then denied contact with the grandparents. At this point they are probably just trying to get through whatever is coming with the hopes that things will come out all right and they can go back to some semblance of normality.

 

[gitana1]

I hope Baby K's grandparents do get to see her. I never fully understood the situation about KH taking Baby K, and the baby not being allowed to even have supervised visits with her mom ? LE and DSHS would probably arrange for supervised visits,if the parents were in agreement. I once cared for a child whose mother had murdered her father ( drug related ). The judge ordered visits between mom and child ( aged 20 months ), based on the importance of attachment bonds between mother and child. The child eventually went to live with her aunt, but she continued to have visits with her mom in jail. So, I wondered about this situation.....

All JMO

I would bet the farm that TH would have been granted supervised visitation with Baby K....had she fought.
TH failed to even contest the allegations or the requested orders. She failed to make Kaine present admissible evidence of those allegations. Thus, TH is the one who ensured zero contact with her own kid.

 

[liz b.]

I would bet the farm that TH would have been granted supervised visitation with Baby K....had she fought.
TH failed to even contest the allegations or the requested orders. She failed to make Kaine present admissible evidence of those allegations. Thus, TH is the one who ensured zero contact with her own kid.

Good points all, IMO. But,,, it might behove KH to actually offer some supervised visits IMO. Keeping in mind that TH has a lawyer who actually knows the law, it could all be part of a strategy IMO. Anyway, I really don't want a TO, so I will post no more ....

All JMO

 

[gitana1]

I have mixed feelings about kids seeing their parents when the parents are criminals. But, for fear of being OT and suffering the wrath of a TO :innocent: I will say I hope TH's parents go above and beyond and see baby K whenever possible. She needs them a great deal.

I even have mixed feelings about kids in such situations having unsupervised or unlimited visitation with those related to the suspect/criminal, etc., depending on the situation.
We had a horrible case down here not to long ago where the grandma killed her beautiful little granddaughters, one at least while mama was holding her, and then killed mom and herself. This was because custody was being switched to the father and grandma thought he was molesting the girls.
An other case I think of is Diane Downs. She was out on bail and was to have no contact with her surviving daughter. But her ex got visitation and was manipulated into allowing Diane unsupervised access to the daughter, at a park. The child came back traumatized, IIRC.
But, if it would give the kids some sort of consistency, some semblance of normalcy to have contact with extended family that love them, why not?
I have a client right now who I won 100% legal and physical custody for. The mother is a complete nut but it took a lot of time to prove that. She only has supervised visitation but none of her relatives care to monitor her visits and she can't or won't pay for a professional. Also, sometimes she can't even be found or is in jail. So, even though he is not compelled to by court order, my client regularly takes the child to the movies and out to eat with her mother when she is around (with dad sitting there AND paying for everything) and takes the child to holiday events and special occasions with her extended family on the maternal side, whether or not the mother is involved (he stays there the whole time usually, because they have allowed unsupervised contact with the mom before). He thinks it is important that his daughter maintains contact with ALL her family and so do I.
Hopefully something like that can occur in this case, eventually. But I think right now the main focus for most is finding Kyron and for some, keeping TH free.

 

[gitana1]

Good points all, IMO. But,,, it might behove KH to actually offer some supervised visits IMO. Keeping in mind that TH has a lawyer who actually knows the law, it could all be part of a strategy IMO. Anyway, I really don't want a TO, so I will post no more ....

All JMO

Thanks! There is no legal strategy I can think of that would account for TH's actions in failing to force Kaine to put up or shut up. Also, one cannot gain much except monetary sanctions by popping in and out of court, trying to change orders that have already been set, in most cases. Custody orders, etc., when set, are not so easy to change.
But I totally agree. TH has a lawyer who really knows the law - Houze. And his strategy in advising TH to allow her baby to be taken from her rather than confronting allegations that have not been supported by evidence is exactly what I would have advised if I knew my client did something that could lead to prison time that may be uncovered in defending the allegations.

 

[pugglesworth]

Have Kaine's parents said *anything* to the media? And if they have, does someone have a link for that? Considering how much CM was talking at the beginning I'm really surprised not to have heard from his side of the family at all that I can recall.

 

[Billylee]

Have Kaine's parents said *anything* to the media? And if they have, does someone have a link for that? Considering how much CM was talking at the beginning I'm really surprised not to have heard from his side of the family at all that I can recall.

This is all I've seen:




KYRON HORMAN’S GRANDFATHER IN NEED OF SHARED LEAVE

We start with this because it’s a plea for help in a tragic story you’ve all heard and read about. It comes from Neil Horman, a DSHS worker in IT.

The statement Neil authorizes:

On June 4, 2010 my grandson, Kyron Horman, disappeared from his school in Oregon. In order to support the family, my wife and I went to Oregon. This burned all my leave time and more. This situation is extremely stressful and the upset continues. I am making it to work as I can but this is an ongoing tragedy and we have dramatic ups and downs.

As the investigation continues my wife and I may have to return to Oregon. We simply do not know what to expect.

As time goes on we hope that Kyron will be found and we can rejoice. In the mean time we are still in dynamic flux and we could use your help if possible.

If you can help Neil with a donation of eligible unused annual leave or sick leave or all or part of your personal holiday, contact your human resources representative.

http://www.wfse.org/?zone=/unionactive/view_article.cfm&HomeID=165532&page=TAB3

 

[human]

If Kaine lets Terri have supervised visitation with the baby, that would void the RO, IMO.

 

[krowdkat]

My mother raised me to take care of my own messes. To be accountable for my own actions. She certainly wasn't ever going to bail me out of my mistakes.

I am the one who has always made visitation possible with my family inre to my children.

Why hold TH's parents responsible for her actions or lack there of?!?

In my mind, it's possible that TH is controlling her adoptive parents behavior at this crisis moment.