WI WI - Wauwatosa, MxdFem 30-60, UP16256, @ constr site, "many yrs-potentially decades old", Jan'17

[Elainera]

Interesting article, Gardener!

Abandoned since it was deemed uninhabitable and a nuisance property by the city in 2008, the old Cape Cod at 1737 Underwood Ave. faced wreckage Thursday morning in front of more than 325 spectators at Lincoln Elementary School.

That was May 1, 2014. The new owner said they expected to be able to move in "next summer". For some reason that didn't happen - and now they found a skeleton! Seems this property continues to keep the locals' attention!

 

[Gardener1850]

Interesting article, Gardener!



That was May 1, 2014. The new owner said they expected to be able to move in "next summer". For some reason that didn't happen - and now they found a skeleton! Seems this property continues to keep the locals' attention!

Yes, it is interesting. I think since it was abandoned in 2008, it's possible that locals knew about it being vacant and someone could have used it as a burial ground to cover up murder in recent years. There are many missing from the greater Milwaukee area as well.

 

[LaborOfLobe]

I have received permission to summarize an article I found regarding Nahida Khatib. Is it relevant? We shall see!

Thank you to our lovely bessie! :loveyou:

The Sheboygan Press
February 3, 1984
Reporter unknown

The headline is: Wauwatosa Will Pay For Search For Body

In summary, a yard was excavated in an effort to find Nahida's body after "police received a tip from a national crime-reporting service". Wauwatosa was to pay for the unsuccessful excavation and returning the yard to it's original condition, which was going to cost $2,000-$2,500. At the time, Nahida had been missing for seven years. It does not give the address of the dig.

So...LE received a tip that Nahida was buried in a yard, and obviously believed it to be credible. Our remains here (still assuming they are human) were believed to have been in this home's original yard, and such a short distance from where she was last seen. I found this to be a fascinating bit of information! JMO

 

[Gardener1850]

I have received permission to summarize an article I found regarding Nahida Khatib. Is it relevant? We shall see!

Thank you to our lovely bessie! :loveyou:

The Sheboygan Press
February 3, 1984
Reporter unknown

The headline is: Wauwatosa Will Pay For Search For Body

In summary, a yard was excavated in an effort to find Nahida's body after "police received a tip from a national crime-reporting service". Wauwatosa was to pay for the unsuccessful excavation and returning the yard to it's original condition, which was going to cost $2,000-$2,500. At the time, Nahida had been missing for seven years. It does not give the address of the dig.

So...LE received a tip that Nahida was buried in a yard, and obviously believed it to be credible. Our remains here (still assuming they are human) were believed to have been in this home's original yard, and such a short distance from where she was last seen. I found this to be a fascinating bit of information! JMO

Thank you LaborLobe (and Bessie)!! Very interesting and possibly significant... I'm hoping LE solves the identity of these new remains quickly.

 

[LaborOfLobe]

When I found the article posted above yesterday, I couldn't find an article that preceded it. No idea why, I felt like there must be one. Anyway, I've got it now and I will try to do this properly again.

The Sheboygan Press
February 2, 1984
Reporter unknown

The headline is: Body Not Found, Search Called Off

Summarizing again, the backyard that was excavated was in Milwaukee. The search lasted two days. According to Wauwatosa Police Detective King De Seve, the tip that lead them to this yard was the first major lead they received in Nahida's case. Despite the headline, the detective says they were not looking for anything specific because the informant didn't go into specifics. He mentions "shoes, clothing or an instrument of crime". He also says "things mentioned by the caller showed familiarity with the case, including details that were not generally known by the public". He concludes by asking the informant to contact him.

Again, maybe this is relevant to these remains found and maybe it's not. I'm hoping it is, because this mystery has gone unsolved for far too long. The more I read about this lady, the more my heart breaks for her and those who loved her.

Sorry I didn't include this all in one post! When I found this I felt like I would be negligent to not finish the story I started. Totally agree, Gardener. I hope LE solves the mystery of these remains quickly!

JMO

 

[Gardener1850]

[h=1]Medical Examiner: Skull found on construction site in Wauwatosa confirmed as human[/h]

Analysis confirmed the bone is a human skull.
The Medical Examiner says based upon the condition of the skull and material found with it, the skull is estimated to be decades old. The skull will be sent to the University of North Texas – Center for Human Identification for further analysis by a Forensic Anthropologist

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http://fox6now.com/2017/01/23/medic...onstruction-site-in-wauwatosa-is-human-skull/

BBM.

Looks like Nahida is a good possibility! No other details so far.

 

[LaborOfLobe]

http://fox6now.com/2017/01/23/medic...onstruction-site-in-wauwatosa-is-human-skull/

http://www.wisn.com/article/bones-found-at-wauwatosa-construction-site/8622707

These articles have been updated to include some information from the Wauwatosa Historical Society. Apparently there used to be a cemetery near the location of these remains, one article says a few blocks away and the other says two. The remains in the cemetery were moved to the location of the current cemetery in 1860's. One quote from the person speaking on behalf of the WHS says:

Rosen said given the distance and record of remains being moved, it would be a surprise if the skull originated there.
"This being a couple blocks away, I`m not picturing it as being part of the land, but we really don`t know," Rosen said. "Even if it`s nothing mysterious or if it`s nothing criminal, there`s a still a story behind why someone is buried there."

What kind of stumps me is that I've only found one article that mentioned Nahida, several days ago:

http://www.jsonline.com/story/news/.../skull-uncovered-wauwatosa-property/96895358/


This is not the first time a skull was uncovered in Wauwatosa prompting and an investigation. A partial skull was found by a fisherman in the Menomonee River in April 2008.
At that time, some suspected the skull may have belonged to Nahida Khatib, a 30-year-old Lebanese-born woman who disappeared from her nearby home in 1976 in the midst of an ugly divorce. However, DNA analysis showed the skull did not match Khatib.

When that skull was found in 2008, several articles came out jumping on the possibililty of it belonging to Nahida. I can't link to those either, they're all archived so JMO. I just wonder why her story is not being thrown in to the mix more now? Or Leo Trabert's story?

Just thinking out loud here. I've never closely followed a "remains found" story but I've gotten really wrapped up in this one.

 

[LaborOfLobe]

New article but no new info, expect results in several months:

http://www.wauwatosanow.com/story/n...overed-tosa-lot-awaiting-assessment/98909626/

At UNT the bones will be examined by a forensic anthropologist utilizing the National Missing and Unidentified Persons System for an anthropological assessment and DNA testing.

O/T but I hope Gardener is ok, I haven't seen her around in a long time!

 

[iulia]

Article from last year
Stingl: Buried skull from Wauwatosa is poked and prodded but holds tight to its secrets

The skull yielded a DNA profile, but it lacks the short repeated sequences that help with human identification. And its so-called mtDNA, or mitochondrial profile, is very common in the FBI's Combined DNA Index System, meaning it has limited value as a searching tool.
[..]
Based on the report from Texas, "our office is treating the remains as an old cemetery skull until proven otherwise from a DNA match, or other new investigative leads arise," said Karen Domagalski, medical examiner operations manager.

Also from that article:

• Sex - female
• "many years to potentially decades" old
• age range - 30 to 60 years
• mixed ancestry
• no sign of perimortem trauma
• other bones discovered in the dirt were not human
• Julia Baez, Kenneth Plaisted, Nahida Khatib - ruled out

 

[YaYa_521]

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)
Exclusions -
MP19994 Dona Bayerl 05/06/1979 Waukesha WI
MP12222 Kenneth Plaisted 11/16/1971 Milwaukee WI
MP19782 Nahida Khatib 10/01/1976 Milwaukee WI
MP27933 Julia !Baez 06/18/1990 Milwaukee WI

I'm pasting my comment from another thread in reference to the possibility of a match to Lucia Perez.
Comment posted to - 3 Wisconsin Female Skulls and 7 Missing Wisconsin Women before 1985

Could these be Lucia Chilel Perez's remains? I've linked her WS thread below. Her last confirmed sighting was in Worthington, MN but authorities suspect she and a POI may have traveled to IA for job-hunting. Iowa is the complete opposite way from Wauwatosa, WI but it's only less than 7 hours away. Perhaps the POI has intentionally led LE on a rat race in the opposite direction? I'll start a thread for UP16256 in the Unidentified section if there isn't one already. Please note also that Lucia's WS thread is incorrectly titled as missing from IA.

IA - IA - Lucia Chilel Perez, 41, Sioux County, 27 June 2011

 

[ChatteringBirds]

I wonder why they can't determine a more approximate PMI. Are we talking in the 10 - 50 years PMI (maybe a case on here?) range or possibly much more, historical remains (I am just guessing this is the case)?

 

[ChatteringBirds]

Bumping case up.
Any thoughts on how they ruled out some missing victims if The skull yielded a DNA profile, but it lacks the short repeated sequences that help with human identification?

Buried human skull from Wauwatosa holds to its secrets

 

[DS2021]

Any thoughts on how they ruled out some missing victims if The skull yielded a DNA profile, but it lacks the short repeated sequences that help with human identification?

They may have been able to obtain mitochondrial DNA. My understanding of MtDNA is that it can be used to rule out matches, however it cant be used to identify remains, because MtDNA isnt unique

Can mitochondrial DNA in human fingerprints identify a person? - The Tech Interactive

www.thetech.org

"While mtDNA can’t uniquely identify a human being, it can still help. For example, police can use this DNA to rule out suspects."

 

[ChatteringBirds]

Bumping up case.

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

By bringing people, information, forensic science and technology together, NamUs helps resolve cases.

www.namus.gov

Have any new exclusions been added besides the 4 listed in post #30 above?

I wonder if a company like Othram attempted to get a DNA profile.

 

[Susikatze]

Bumping up case.

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

By bringing people, information, forensic science and technology together, NamUs helps resolve cases.

www.namus.gov

Have any new exclusions been added besides the 4 listed in post #30 above?

I wonder if a company like Othram attempted to get a DNA profile.

yes it should be retested. 8 years ago is lightyears from today’s state of the art. MtDNA can be used to rule someone out as long as you have someone on the female lineage to compare to but it is useless for genetic genealogy

 

[Caring1]

Bumping up case.

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

By bringing people, information, forensic science and technology together, NamUs helps resolve cases.

www.namus.gov

Have any new exclusions been added besides the 4 listed in post #30 above?

I wonder if a company like Othram attempted to get a DNA profile.

Same 4 rule outs are currently listed.