UK - Nurse Lucy Letby, murder of babies, 7 Guilty of murder verdicts; 7 Guilty of attempted murder; 2 Not Guilty of attempted; 6 hung re attempted #35

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Marantz4250b said:
I'm not sure, tbh. I think it was just part of her compulsive personality. She kept hundreds. I think she had a psychological need to hoard them.
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The reason I think she looked over those handovers at night is because she seemed very 'prepared' during sudden opportunities that popped up. By looking over the sheets she could see info about the other babies in the unit---what they suffered from, what treatments they were receiving.

One of the babies that was poisoned by insulin WAS given insulin in the first days, IIRC. So she probably felt more comfortable using that technique on that specific child.

Other babies were attacked within minutes of a parent or caretaker leaving the floor. She had to have already KNOWN each baby's medical history, etc, in order to take advantage of those opportunities. She also knew which babies had already lost their twin, which she then fixated on. :mad:
 
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The details of her bid cannot currently be reported for legal reasons.

However, at the outset of the hearing, Dame Victoria Sharp said it could be reported that Letby is attempting to challenge her convictions on four grounds, which involve arguments the judge at her trial wrongly refused legal applications made during her trial.

Lawyers for the former nurse, 34, are renewing efforts to bring an appeal before a panel of three judges.

 
As far as the retrial for attempted murder of baby K, I still cannot get my head round why they are bothering. She's never getting out anyway so what's the point? Is there some particular legal point they are trying to make or clarify, I wonder? What makes them think they'll get a conviction this time if they didn't last time?
 
The retrial on Baby K has always surprised me tbh - I thought the evidence was stronger on some other babies but hey I’m not the CPS.
It will be interesting ( if you can use that word here under the circumstances ) if we are going to see further arrests and charges in due course.
JMO
 
Marantz4250b said:
As far as the retrial for attempted murder of baby K, I still cannot get my head round why they are bothering. She's never getting out anyway so what's the point? Is there some particular legal point they are trying to make or clarify, I wonder? What makes them think they'll get a conviction this time if they didn't last time?
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I'm wondering if those particular parents may have pushed harder for a retrial, than perhaps others, who may have wanted to move on and accept it the way it was?
 
katydid23 said:
I'm wondering if those particular parents may have pushed harder for a retrial, than perhaps others, who may have wanted to move on and accept it the way it was?
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That won't have had any effect on a decision to re-try, tbh. The CPS are bound by the law and the codes of practice. Veering from the two basic criteria of, a realistic prospect of a conviction and that of is the charge in the public interest will end up getting sticky for them. Those are the only two things they should consider. Having said that, I'm assuming here that the same criteria apply to a re-trial as I can't see how it could differ.

I'm puzzled as to how they arrive at the decision to re-try if those are the criteria to be applied. The first surely must be considered in the light of the fact that they have already failed to get a conviction once. Perhaps, however, they have new evidence that they think leans towards conviction? Then again, I'm not sure what the rules are on introducing new evidence in a re-trial.

But, even if they have reason to believe that there is even a strong prospect of a conviction, then how to do they meet the second test, that of public interest? She's been convicted of multiple heinous crimes and is never getting out so another conviction on top of those convictions seems to serve no public benefit - she can't be punished any more than she already is being and there is no issue of public protection. Indeed, it's reasonable to see it as a detriment to the public interest as it is going to cost lost of money and tie up the courts.

All very curious, if you ask me.
 
Today Dame Victoria Sharp, president of the King's bench division of the High Court, said she and her two colleagues would be reserving their decision until a later unspecified date.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Lucy Letby must wait for decision on challenging murder convictions

A panel of three of Britain's most senior judges today reserved their decision on whether 34-year-old neo-natal nurse Lucy Letby is given the green light to appeal.
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Becky53 said:
Today Dame Victoria Sharp, president of the King's bench division of the High Court, said she and her two colleagues would be reserving their decision until a later unspecified date.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Lucy Letby must wait for decision on challenging murder convictions

A panel of three of Britain's most senior judges today reserved their decision on whether 34-year-old neo-natal nurse Lucy Letby is given the green light to appeal.
www.dailymail.co.uk www.dailymail.co.uk
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A date after her current re-trial, one presumes?
 

CPS statement on Lucy Letby retrial decisions | The Crown Prosecution Service

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The CPS statement on their decision to re-try LL.



25 September 2023|News

We have sought a retrial on one count of attempted murder against Lucy Letby – there should be no reporting, commentary or sharing of information online which could in any way prejudice these proceedings.

Jonathan Storer, Chief Crown Prosecutor, CPS Mersey-Cheshire, said:
“These decisions on whether to seek retrials on the remaining counts of attempted murder were extremely complex and difficult.

“Before reaching our conclusions we listened carefully to the views of the families affected, police and prosecution counsel.

“Many competing factors were considered including the evidence heard by the court during the long trial and its impact on our legal test for proceeding with a prosecution.

“We have met with all the families affected by these decisions to explain how they were reached.”

ENDS
 
Letby inquiry should be live-streamed, say families
The public inquiry into serial killer Lucy Letby's crimes should be live-streamed to prevent "grossly offensive" conspiracies, families of her victims have said.

The inquiry, which will begin on September 10 at Liverpool Town Hall, will look into how the nurse was able to murder babies on the Countess of Chester's neonatal unit in 2015 and 2016, the conduct of others at the hospital, and the culture in the wider NHS.

www.bbc.co.uk

Lucy Letby inquiry should be live-streamed, say victims' families

The families of Lucy Letby's victims say live-streaming the inquiry will combat conspiracy theories.
www.bbc.co.uk
 
Becky53 said:
Letby inquiry should be live-streamed, say families
The public inquiry into serial killer Lucy Letby's crimes should be live-streamed to prevent "grossly offensive" conspiracies, families of her victims have said.

The inquiry, which will begin on September 10 at Liverpool Town Hall, will look into how the nurse was able to murder babies on the Countess of Chester's neonatal unit in 2015 and 2016, the conduct of others at the hospital, and the culture in the wider NHS.

www.bbc.co.uk

Lucy Letby inquiry should be live-streamed, say victims' families

The families of Lucy Letby's victims say live-streaming the inquiry will combat conspiracy theories.
www.bbc.co.uk
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I see where they are coming from but I'm not sure it will have much effect. The lunatics who propagate these stupid conspiracy theories don't really care what's said and their minds can't be changed. That is the very nature of believing in something ridiculous - if you're stupid enough to believe it then you are not easily going to have your mind changed. Besides, the inquiry is just going to be written off as part of the wider conspiracy by these fools.

The other problem I see is that this inquiry is going to be very extensive and will last a long time. Few people will follow it in depth and the people who are promoting this rubbish probably won't be the ones doing that. They will just end up cherry-picking the bits they think suit their narrative.
 
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