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Good Point. Earlier I thought he may have knelt for the lower shot/s. That is something the PT would find difficult to prove unless they found some sort of evidence from his prosthetics left on the floor. He would of course, claim he was kneeling with his prosthetics on for some other reason (after the murder).
 
I don't understand much from Physics but there is something I have been wondering..
IMO there are too much unknown but estimated variables here so it may be hard to reach to a conclusion abt the trajectory of the bullets and to say that he was on his prosth.legs or not. The only known is the height of the shots on the door.

Variables :
1- Where OP stood while shooting .
2-Where exactly Reeva was inside and her position changes after 4 shots.
3-Whether OP was on his prosthetics or on knees or was he kneeling a bit ?
4-Whether RS was sitting or standing up .
5-Bullets direction on Reeva's body also we dont know yet.

Lets say that 1 is known and constant

So I wonder whether the trajectory of the bullets and angle on the door would approx. be the same in two below cases which DT and PROS would argue

a-He was on his prosth.legs plus RS was standing up in the first instances
b-He was not wearing his legs plus RS was sitting on the floor.

If the trajectory would approx be the same in cases a and b then will the height
of the shots on the door be sufficient to determine whether he was on his prost
legs ?

I certainly think that OP was on his prost legs and never put them off but DT terribily need to prove something thats not true with the help of changing other unknown variables imo.

Not to be surprised he is in need of overseas forensic experts as well.. We will see...
 
MURDERER_SERVANT said:
I don't understand much from Physics but there is something I have been wondering..
IMO there are too much unknown but estimated variables here ...............
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I certainly think that OP was on his prost legs and never put them off but DT terribily need to prove something thats not true with the help of changing other unknown variables imo.
Not to be surprised he is in need of overseas forensic experts as well.. We will see...
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In any case OP was lying, IF you could prove that he has worn his prosthesis. He is not allowed to admit the wearing of prosthesis and then claim to have knelt down. Now there is a massive problem for him and his DT - and that's okay.
Yes, MS, we will see ................. can't wait till March.

- Justice for Reeva -
 
It’s a daunting task as it’s one that will require to counter evidence gathered by scores of South African police officers and criminal specialists involved in the investigation.

This is in line to the case filed against him for shooting his girlfriend Reeva Steenkamp to death (premeditated murder) at his house on the 14th of February. The 26 year old athlete will be faced to trial at the North Gauteng High Court in the South African capital Pretoria from March 3. It will be possible that he will be faced with a 25 years minimum in prison and life sentence whenever this used-to-be-for-years the inspiring poster image of disabled sport will be convicted.

Aside from this is the possibility that he will be charged with lesser murder having 15 year mandatory sentence or a 5 year prison term in South Africa whenever firearm is involved for negligent killing.
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http://www.kpopstarz.com/articles/44806/20131011/oscar-pistorius-trial-date.htm

BBM It appears that the very minimum sentence will be at least five years. I had never seen this sentence quoted before.

There are four other questions I would like to pose to all of you:

1. What are the chances that OP will escape to a non-extradition country if he wants to participate in the 2016 Olympic Games in Brazil as he is getting older and his days are numbered athletically? We most feared that after his Bail Hearing. Do you still feel that this is likely?

2. What is the charge for possession of illegal ammunition?

3. Are Reeva's parents still suing him or will they wait until the end of his trial in March 2014?

4. How will his disability affect the sentencing and the conditions at which prison he is sent to?
 
Estelle said:
http://www.kpopstarz.com/articles/44806/20131011/oscar-pistorius-trial-date.htm

BBM It appears that the very minimum sentence will be at least five years. I had never seen this sentence quoted before.

There are four other questions I would like to pose to all of you:

1. What are the chances that OP will escape to a non-extradition country if he wants to participate in the 2016 Olympic Games in Brazil as he is getting older and his days are numbered athletically? We most feared that after his Bail Hearing. Do you still feel that this is likely?

2. What is the charge for possession of illegal ammunition?

3. Are Reeva's parents still suing him or will they wait until the end of his trial in March 2014?

4. How will his disability affect the sentencing and the conditions at which prison he is sent to?
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For that we need PISTOLIUS! :D
 
Five years for this. In Australia we now have in the courts challenging the defence of men saying.... well she wanted to leave me and it drove me crazy and I put my hands on her. Crazy defence. If she didn't say that, I would be OK. It has always been a defence that a non violent person could instigate their death by words. Still in the courts here.

In this economy, many athletes will not get funding and if they do it will be highly and publicly scrutinised if they fail. Our Australian tennis player struck out the day after his 21st birthday.

Moo.

Estelle said:
http://www.kpopstarz.com/articles/44806/20131011/oscar-pistorius-trial-date.htm

BBM It appears that the very minimum sentence will be at least five years. I had never seen this sentence quoted before.

There are four other questions I would like to pose to all of you:

1. What are the chances that OP will escape to a non-extradition country if he wants to participate in the 2016 Olympic Games in Brazil as he is getting older and his days are numbered athletically? We most feared that after his Bail Hearing. Do you still feel that this is likely?

2. What is the charge for possession of illegal ammunition?

3. Are Reeva's parents still suing him or will they wait until the end of his trial in March 2014?

4. How will his disability affect the sentencing and the conditions at which prison he is sent to?
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Flinders said:
Five years for this.

In Australia we now have in the courts challenging the defence of men saying.... well she wanted to leave me and it drove me crazy and I put my hands on her. Crazy defence. If she didn't say that, I would be OK. It has always been a defence that a non violent person could instigate their death by words. Still in the courts here.
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Flinders, do you mean this but this talks about a violent person?

Snippets from article on this link:

http://theconversation.com/legal-lo...e-defence-of-provocation-needs-to-change-7957

Legal loophole protecting violent men: why the defence of provocation needs to change

The use of the partial defence of provocation serves to legitimise lethal domestic violence.

The successful use of the provocation defence in this context raises important questions – should it remain as a partial defence to murder when arguably it trivialises the male perpetration of lethal violence against women?

Lethal provocation

Provocation acts as a partial defence to murder where a defendant successfully argues that they were provoked to use lethal violence.

Justifying abuse

The Stevens case highlights the problems associated with provocation in cases of intimate homicide. Despite a significant history of violence perpetrated against his wife, Stevens' defence was able to paint a portrait of her as an inadequate and unfaithful mother to counterbalance his own history of domestic violence and to ultimately justify killing her.

This is the law in NSW but I cannot find any defence that says "the other person drove me crazy so I felt justified to kill her and I am a non-violent person myself. "

I don't this would wash in OP's case as he has been violent before and there is no evidence of RS being unfaithful (as WH and FH were only friends) or violent herself that we know about.

I would like to see a case example of the murder defence you have referred to please.

Is it the same in South Africa?
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Flinders said:
In this economy, many athletes will not get funding and if they do it will be highly and publicly scrutinised if they fail. Our Australian tennis player struck out the day after his 21st birthday.

Moo.
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Do you mean Tomic?

Yes perhaps no one would give funding to OP now as an athlete or sponsor him but what if he is so wealthy he can pay for himself?
 
Taking another look at the quote I posted:

Quote:
It’s a daunting task as it’s one that will require to counter evidence gathered by scores of South African police officers and criminal specialists involved in the investigation.

This is in line to the case filed against him for shooting his girlfriend Reeva Steenkamp to death (premeditated murder) at his house on the 14th of February. The 26 year old athlete will be faced to trial at the North Gauteng High Court in the South African capital Pretoria from March 3. It will be possible that he will be faced with a 25 years minimum in prison and life sentence whenever this used-to-be-for-years the inspiring poster image of disabled sport will be convicted.

Aside from this is the possibility that he will be charged with lesser murder having 15 year mandatory sentence or a 5 year prison term in South Africa whenever firearm is involved for negligent killing.

http://www.kpopstarz.com/articles/44...trial-date.htm
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I understand from the above article that it is possible that OP will be faced with either:

1. Premeditated murder: 25 years minimum in prison and life sentence

2. Manslaughter: 15 year mandatory sentence

3. Negligent killing: when a firearm is involved: 5 years.

http://www.kpopstarz.com/articles/44...trial-date.htm

My comment was that I had never heard of the third possibility before.

I would like to know what forum members think he will or should be charged with.

Maybe we could set up a POLL? Who can do this? Mods?
 
Lemon Tree said:
There is a poll I've seen on twitter about the trial outcome: http://t.co/6u2BWdxwk2

...but a Websleuths poll about what OP may be charged with is a good idea - didn't know Websleuths offers polls.
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On this poll, 39% think OP is innocent of all charges. A total of about 22% think OP is guilty of premeditated murder or just murder.

I agree with the Prosecution.

This is a good list so I have written to the Mods asking if we can have similar poll on here. So I hope they read this and can set up a Poll for us as they did in the JonBenet Ramsay case.
 
Coldpizza said:
Give me a bit to put up a poll for you.
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POLL

Be The Jury: What do you think will be the outcome of Oscar Pistorius' trial for killing Reeva Steenkamp?

Powered by kwiksurveys.com

Innocent of all charges
25 (39.06%)

Guilty of premeditated murder
8 (12.5%)

Guilty of murder
7 (10.94%)

Guilty of culpable homicide
14 (21.88%)

Guilty of gross negligence
7 (10.94%)

Guilty of grevious bodily harm
0 (0%)

Guilty of something else
1 (1.56%)

Plea bargain
2 (3.13%)

Insanity plea
0 (0%)

Other: (Please specify)
0 (0%)

http://kwiksurveys.com/app/showpoll.asp?qid=175664&sid=3bj6j5u5g6ll4jz175664&new=True
 
Oscar Pistorius Case Update: American Forensic Experts Not The Only Ones Helping Olympian’s Case, Apple Technicians Made Available To Assist In ‘Blade Runner’ Trial

October 28, 2013

Points:

  1. In June, U.S. tech giant Apple was called on to help on the case.
  2. Pistorius has forgotten the code needed to unlock a cellphone he was using on the night he killed his girlfriend
  3. SA police is seeking help from Apple in America to try and gain access to an iPhone 5. This device was found on the floor of the bathroom.
  4. “These could be crucial and Apple executives in America have made their technicians available to help us,” said Lt. Gen. Vineshkumar Moonoo.
  5. The iPhone along with three others was found on the bathroom floor of Oscar’s home.
  6. Moono added that the mobile phones “were clearly in use up to the time of the killing.”
  7. The position of the iPhones and the other two devices, which was said to be two Blackberries, found close to the shower cubicle could show that the couple had a furious row during which Reeva locked herself in.
http://www.kpopstarz.com/articles/47147/20131028/oscar-pistorius-case-update.htm
 
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