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Court awaits Rafferty's Call
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I had no idea that if the defense called witnesses they could not do a closing argument. That is very different from here in the States, where it is expected that the defense will call witnesses and present a closing argument.
Wow. That makes it hard for the defense, in my opinion.
Salem
http://www.lfpress.com/news/london/raffertytrial/2012/04/30/19698706.html
I had no idea that if the defense called witnesses they could not do a closing argument. That is very different from here in the States, where it is expected that the defense will call witnesses and present a closing argument.
Wow. That makes it hard for the defense, in my opinion.
Salem
http://www.lfpress.com/news/london/raffertytrial/2012/04/30/19698706.html
I cant even wrap my head around anyone thinking MJR was an innocent bystander in all of this. The ME's report was beyond heartbreaking and sickening. Dear gawd if he was so innocent could he not hear the sickening cries of a child beaten so mercifully? Could he not stop the kicks and stomps that caused the sound of breaking of ribs? What is this world coming to that we can justify a man being present to such an act and justify it? I can justify it because he was an active participant. MOO
I do agree that there is a history of team killers ... but you have to admit that their relationships were far more established, nothing about TLM and MR remotely resembles team killers.
I had no idea that if the defense called witnesses they could not do a closing argument. That is very different from here in the States, where it is expected that the defense will call witnesses and present a closing argument.
Wow. That makes it hard for the defense, in my opinion.
Salem
http://www.lfpress.com/news/london/raffertytrial/2012/04/30/19698706.html
"If a defence lawyer decides not to call his client, he's faced with another difficult choice. By calling any witness, the defence loses the right to give closing arguments after the Crown"
I think that there's an advantage to having the last word. If the defence presents witnesses, then the crown has the last word.
"Closing arguments:
Prosecution closing argument. The prosecution makes its closing argument, summarizing the evidence as the prosecution sees it, and explaining why the jury should render a guilty verdict.
Defense closing argument. The defense makes its closing argument, summarizing the evidence as the defense sees it, and explaining why the jury should render a not guilty verdict--or at least a guilty verdict on a lesser charge.
Section 651 determines who closes first. If defense presents evidence or the defendant testifies, then defense closes first."
http://www.julianhermida.com/polnotesoverview.htm
Salem I'm not sure if this is correct but I took that statement to mean that the defence can make a closing statement but just not last meaning the have to go first...could be wrong and I stand corrected if so... JMOI had no idea that if the defense called witnesses they could not do a closing argument. That is very different from here in the States, where it is expected that the defense will call witnesses and present a closing argument.
Wow. That makes it hard for the defense, in my opinion.
Salem
http://www.lfpress.com/news/london/raffertytrial/2012/04/30/19698706.html
Thank you Otto! So the defense doesn't give up the ability to close - just the order in which it happens. Okay - got it! Thanks!
Salem
Maybe we can all get together after the trial tomorrow for a hot cup 'o tea?!
Do you prefer Earl Grey or Tetley?!
lol
JMO:Bouncing off Salem's post. It makes perfect sense. Sense of a something driven we struggle to comprehend. TLM confessed as she is the weaker of the pair. Yes driven by anger and intense anger. The weaker of a pr always confesses. No surprise she is female despite her level of violence. MJR yes far more to fear. No surprise or shock to me to see him in the Courtroom. He was truly bored and struggled at times to stay awake.
oops sorry Salem...I should have continued reading before I jumped in there...sorry...
JMO:
well I am a female and after reading about TLM and her lifestyle and what she has done and is capable of... I know who I would be afraid of and that would even be in broad daylight... I don't equate her with "weaker sex" because I have never believed that a woman is the weaker sex (well maybe when it comes to putting out the garbage or changing a tire)..MR I have not heard anything about him being a violent person only somewhat of a con artist and yes a liar so I could handle that no problem at all because I don't think he could hurt me physically. and that would be my fear....JMO
Is that even possible? Can she be a witness for the Crown and then a witness for the Defence as well?
JMO:
well I am a female and after reading about TLM and her lifestyle and what she has done and is capable of... I know who I would be afraid of and that would even be in broad daylight... I don't equate her with "weaker sex" because I have never believed that a woman is the weaker sex (well maybe when it comes to putting out the garbage or changing a tire)..MR I have not heard anything about him being a violent person only somewhat of a con artist and yes a liar so I could handle that no problem at all because I don't think he could hurt me physically. and that would be my fear....JMO