The reason I keep coming back to the 5N boys is because from the facts that are known for certain, they were with her, and they willingly placed themselves as the last to see her alive. I'm not by any means saying I think JW should be cleared, but IMO (and I could very well be wrong) it requires way more assumptions to figure out a scenario where JW was involved in her disappearance. Other than the PT board (which my impression has been was mainly defending the 5N boys, in which case it would make sense for them to implicate JW/say he was possessive or a dealer) I've seen no mention of JW being possessive, and as far as I know that has never been mentioned in main stream media at all. (also for the record I think there have been way too many discrepancies in TG's info for me personally to take any of it as fact unless its been verified by PIs or LE, but I know others feel differently)
I don't see it being "obvious he controls his parents!" at all, there are many (unfair) reasons for them to state that Lauren was the one more involved in drugs. Plenty of parents always believe their kids are little angels, maybe it was easier for them to pretend that LS used drugs and JW was her innocent protector than for them to accept that they both probably experimented with drugs and drinking like most college kids. Maybe they've read the cruel rumors that went around shortly after LS disappeared and accepted it as fact. We have no idea, and I don't see an obviously emotional statement his parents gave as fact that he controls them.
As far as rumors about dealing go, I've read way more rumors about CR/JR and their crew dealing than I have about JW
I could be wrong but I thought that the PIs looked into the bartender's statement and found that she had gotten the time and several facts wrong. I'm more inclined to believe them than I am a witness who was probably tired and didn't realize that what she was seeing would become so important. Like I said earlier about the phone records, they might not have been made public but if JW had been sending LS angry or threatening texts I think its beyond reasonable to assume that LE would have looked into those texts and it probably would have bumped him to the top of their suspect list. Him saying they texted until he went to bed could mean they sent tons of texts, or it could mean that they texted two or three times but were generally in contact.
If someone had LS's phone I just don't see why they would return it to kilroys. Does kilroys have cameras? Would kids at IU necessarily know that they do or do not have cameras? I can't think up a reasonable scenario where someone would be motivated to take LS's phone, keep it with them for most of the night and then wander out early in the morning to stage the phone at kilroys. Lauren had an iphone, tossing the phone over the fence would at the very least crack the screen. I think we would have heard about it if her shoes were found in one part of kilroys and her phone was found broken next to a fence.
Again, I don't know why the assumption is JW's texts got "mean", I haven't read anything saying that, and IMO that is an assumption that doesn't have anything to back it up. all the information we have from verified sources about JW/LS that night says that he was content watching the game with friends, I haven't read any articles or even heard rumors saying that he was pissed she wasn't with him or was angry at her for any reason. Obviously her being with CR would be a reason for him to get upset, but as far as I know theres no proof he knew she was with him.
"She told JW she was staying home because that's what he wanted to hear. If he wasn't controlling, she would have told him to have fun with his friends, she was going out." This is certainly a possibility, but isn't it equally possible that she told JW that and then decided to go out? Or she might just not have told him because he would be annoyed that she was going out with another guy, or he might have not liked CR in general. IMO that doesn't necessarily indicate possessiveness, I've gotten into little fights with boyfriends who are perfectly nice guys about hanging out with guy friends they weren't fans of, it happens.
"What I cannot comprehend as sleuths, that so many people on this thread refuse to even think of what could have happened if she did.
Do we honestly believe that LE has not followed that avenue? I mean, the
5N POI could still be, most likely were, involved, but the actual death just a little down the street." IMO just because there hasn't been an arrest doesn't mean they haven't followed that line of thinking. If the 5N boys have their stories straight (which they seem to, whether its a story or is the truth) without a body it would be hard for the cops to prove otherwise. I, personally do agree with your last sentence. I think its possible that she stumbled out of 5N and passed or passed out nearby and the boys panicked and did something with her. I think (I don't want to speak for others but this is my impression) that the main reason that people don't believe she left 5N on her own is because JR's version of her leaving is so at odds with what we know is on tape. If Lauren was in such a bad state that Cory had to carry her (which is on video tape), I can't imagine that she was able to walk out of JR's and that he watched her round the corner a short time later. The fact that I don't think thats possible makes me doubt the rest of his story, if he was innocent why would he say she left and was in decent enough condition to walk if that seems almost impossible?
Sorry if my comment comes off as harsh, I think in a case like this everyone is going to have theories that they think are particularly likely or unlikely, and I don't mean to get heated with you about it.
