TX TX - Julie Moseley, 9, Mary Trlica, 17, Lisa Wilson, 14, Fort Worth, 23 Dec 1974 #7

[beubeubeu]

Someone on here mentioned earlier that perhaps DA was the cause of TT and ST getting divorced. If there's any truth in it, that would make sense.

It doesn't. Cause if just day before they were bowling together at the bowling alley and they weren't the one's fighting, then hard to see why DA would suddenly want to avoid her so much then?

 

[Brightchaser47]

It doesn't. Cause if just day before they were bowling together at the bowling alley and they weren't the one's fighting, then hard to see why RA would suddenly want to avoid her so much then.

RA?

 

[beubeubeu]

That explains a pick-up, but what about the alleged rape, pregnancy, and abortion? Her mother and sister made that claim, and  why in the world would they make  that up? What would be the point?

But why do you assume that there are only two possibilities:
a) them having it all completely accurate and factual, despite of not even claiming to learn about any of those strange details from Rachel,
b) whole story being completely false
?

For me its way more likely that they had some facts (like rape, pregnancy and abortion) but not much more, so they ADDED more, relying on gossips and guesses.
Cause somebody saw something sometime or heard, or thought or figured or imagined after they learned about the rape. That's what people do, they're not creating stories from nothing, they're taking pieces of something what happened and then they're running with it: adding, changing, mixing up, spicing it with details that they got straight from their a... sleeves.

 

[beubeubeu]

RA?

Sorry, DA. Edited.

 

[Brightchaser47]

But why do you assume that there are only two possibilities:
a) them having it all completely accurate and factual, despite of not even claiming to learn about any of those strange details from Rachel,
b) whole story being completely false
?

For me its way more likely that they had some facts (like rape, pregnancy and abortion) but not much more, so they ADDED more, relying on gossips and guesses.
Cause somebody saw something sometime or heard, or thought or figured or imagined after they learned about the rape. That's what people do, they're not creating stories from nothing, they're taking pieces of something what happened and then they're running with it: adding, changing, mixing up, spicing it with details that they got straight from their a... sleeves.

Point taken.

 

[Brightchaser47]

It doesn't. Cause if just day before they were bowling together at the bowling alley and they weren't the one's fighting, then hard to see why DA would suddenly want to avoid her so much then?

I thought you were referring to Shawn as ST. You meant his mother was at the bowling alley the day before?

 

[Brightchaser47]

And btw what the hell was with these undergarments?
Okay, didn't belong to Renee or Julie as far as W's were concerned. So... it wasn't shown to TT? Or Julie's mom/parents?
Also I walk around a lot, and was walking aroun a lot in many different locations and pieces of clothing lying around in all random places aren't at all rare, but these are usually like hats, scarfs, gloves, socks, single shoe on the side of the road, some sweaters occasionally, or even pants once or twice. But those seem very clean and in good condition, so no reason to abandon them, and it looks like almost five sets of teenage pants + bras, abandoned near some stream, in Winter. This is not normal. This not what you picture in your mind while hearing about "some undergarments" being found - at least I would never imagine so many.

I'm wondering if they weren't planted there by some joker, just to get a response. If they were "trophies" belonging to a sicko, they wouldn't be so clean and easily found, IMO.

 

[Brightchaser47]

It doesn't. Cause if just day before they were bowling together at the bowling alley and they weren't the one's fighting, then hard to see why DA would suddenly want to avoid her so much then?

So (to the best of our knowledge) on Monday night, the following individuals were at the bowling alley together: TT, RT, DA, SM, ST, and Shawn.
1. Were all these people actually bowling together, or were Rachel and/or TT bowling, and the others met them at the Pizza Inn, at some point later that night?
2. Which of them were actually involved in the alleged "fight"?
3. Was it an actual fist-fight, or merely a heated verbal exchange?
T rex stated there had to be many witnesses. I agree,  unless the incident occured at/after closing time at the restaurant. Does DJ specify any of that in his notes?
Because this alleged incident occured within 24 hours of the girls going missing, we need to separate fact from rumor and fiction (if possible), IMO.

 

[Pricklykitty]

So (to the best of our knowledge) on Monday night, the following individuals were at the bowling alley together: TT, RT, DA, SM, ST, and Shawn.
1. Were all these people actually bowling together, or were Rachel and/or TT bowling, and the others met them at the Pizza Inn, at some point later that night?
2. Which of them were actually involved in the alleged "fight"?
3. Was it an actual fist-fight, or merely a heated verbal exchange?
T rex stated there had to be many witnesses. I agree,  unless the incident occured at/after closing time at the restaurant. Does DJ specify any of that in his notes?
Because this alleged incident occured within 24 hours of the girls going missing, we need to separate fact from rumor and fiction (if possible), IMO.

The notes are a mess imho. But basically-
SM, DA, TT, RT and Shawn go bowling together. TT and RT fight - verbal. Everyone is meant to go to pizza place but somehow only SM, DA and shawn go, RT and TT continue arguing and head home.
At 01.30 am DA calls Minot and speaks to RT who says TT is now in bed as he has to be up for work at 07.00am.
Then students from south west high school say they witness RT return to pizza place and get in a fight with DA, this fight turns serious and becomes a fist fight.
He then has RT and TT returning to minot and DA, SM and Shawn following.
ST is not mentioned as being there in these notes.

Obvious holes would be if TT was in bed asleep, how was he then back at pizza place?
Would everyone be ok with a 2 year old being out till 01.30 am?
Would TT really leave his son to travel back in a seperate car, one containing someone he supposedly just met and someone else who had just had a fist fight with his wife?
Why would DA have waited till 01.30 to call and see why RT and TT hadn't come for pizza?
Why then wait at the pizza place rather than return home or ar least drop Shawn off?

See DJ had these notes but without knowing where his information came from they are just more " he said, she said". He could just be writing down gossip as fact, or making stuff up.

 

[JerseyGirl]

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