Hello CarlK90245,
Thank you for having my post moved! I have read post #7 it reads that Deborah Rae Meyer was claimed to be ruled out by finger prints but then she wasnt because Deborah Rae Meyers Juvenile prints are not in the system.
Then by Family DNA sample, this quote from Rick Jones Coroner/ Medical Examiner:
I called the missing persons mother, Diane and she was also told that DNA was not a match and that she and her husband were the biological parents of Deborah.
Was there a questions about her biological parents and how can they of proven that Diane and husband were in fact the bio parents without Deborahs DNA.
Then its by the parent ID almost 30 years later even know the date of missing and the death of the unidentified has an almost 5 year gap within the formative years for females. It doesnt surprise me very much that the mother did recognize the UIDs photos, jewelry and clothing. Also is it not possible that with parents in grief that Deborahs mother refused the ID to keep hope the Deborah is still alive just a thought
In regards to the ear growth, occasionally, a small growth may spontaneously fall off without any pain or discomfort. This may occur after the growth has twisted on itself at the base, interrupting the blood flow to the growth.
Another odd thing I noticed about the posts, was that it's from 03-06-2009 if she was ruled out as it reads then her name would have been added to the list of ruled out missing persons on NamUs (Especially because Deborah Rae Meyer and Jane Doe seem to be such a close match)
Oddly Deborah Rae Meyers name has not and the date last modified on Jane Doe was October 27, 2010 at 11:52 AM A year and eight months after they "ruled" her out.
I know some systems are out of date but to get funding and proceed with the ruling out process updates are required after the test are completed so that they are not run again. Especially when the pages have been updated so recently.
I have put together a timeline of events of ruling out Deborah Rae Meyer, out of the information online and given by posts with responses from:
Rick Jones D-ABMDI
Coroner Investigator
Latent Fingerprint Examiner
Clark County Office of the Coroner/Medical Examiner
1704 Pinto Lane
Las Vegas, Nevada 89106
Office # (702) 455-3210
Direct # (702) 455-4271
Fax # (702) 455-3101
E-mail:
rnj@co.clark.nv.us
Timeline
Oct 20th 1958 Date of birth of Deborah Rae Meyer
Age: 15
Location: Carbon County, Wyoming
Aug 13th 1979 Clark County Unidentifieds Death * according to NamUs
Aug 14th 1979 Clark County Unidentified Found
Found: Southwest corner of Sahara and Las Vegas Blvd.
City: Las Vegas
State: Nevada
County: Clark
Zip code: 89102
Circumstances of death: The decedent was found on 8/14/79 in the parking lot of a closed casino. She was partially disrobed lying face down in the parking lot. She had no identification on her person. She was the victim of a homicide due to multiple stab wounds. She was previously seen with an unknown white male nearby. She had NO TEETH. Upper Denture present - lower dentura plate missing.
June 30th 2007 Clark County Unidentified Entered into Namus
Mar 20th 2008 Farity1 Post: "Ruled Out NV" * Claims to have done print check
* Finger prints rule Deborah out
Member: Fairy1
Posted: 03-20-2008, 09:24 PM
Although this isn't the outcome we were hoping for, I did get a very quick response from Clark County coroner investigator, Rick Jones. He has passed on some helpful information and I told him to feel free to contact us anytime he feels we can be of help. Below is his response to our submission:
*advertiser censored*, thank you for the submission. I have been searching sites for years looking for young women with dentures on this case (very few found with dentures at young ages).
We checked her several years ago by fingerprints and ruled her out. Thank you and please keep searching. Rick
In case you have not seen this new site of unidentifieds - they are trying to get all of the Coroner's Offices in the country to input their unidentified cases. It is called NAMEUS. Their site is;
http://www.identifyus.org/
We put our cases into them as the more people that look at them, the better chance we have of getting them identified.
Thanks again.
Rick
Rick Jones D-ABMDI
Coroner Investigator
Latent Fingerprint Examiner
Clark County Office of the Coroner/Medical Examiner
1704 Pinto Lane
Las Vegas, Nevada 89106
Office # (702) 455-3210
Direct # (702) 455-4271
Fax # (702) 455-3101
E-mail:
rnj@co.clark.nv.us
Dang - I thought this was a positive match!
Mar 26 2008 - Farity1 Post: "Ruled Out NV" * Deborahs prints not even on file
* Claims to have DNA Rules her out
* Mother claims not Deborah due to ID Photo or Personal items even tho Deborah would have been missing for almost 5 years.
Member: Fairy1
Posted: 03-26-2008, 10:11 PM
Well, I've heard back from the Clark County coroner investigator again - in record time I might add! I sent him another message last night explaining that I wasn't confident about the fingerprints check when Deborah was only 14. He was kind enough to pull and
review the records once again and discovered that, in fact, Deborah's fingerprints were never on file. However, he did find her mother on the Internet some time ago, as he was also convinced this was a probable match.
They do have DNA from both Deborah and the UID and there isn't a match. Still not convinced,
he had Deborah's mother look at the UID photos, jewelry and clothing and she has advised that this Jane Doe is definitely not her daughter.
I told the investigator that we will continue searching to help bring Deborah and Jane Doe back to their families. I am so relieved and proud to know that the Clark County Coroner's office is as dedicated as we are. The same cannot be said for all US counties! On we go.....
May 26 2009 Rain post: Porchlight International * DNA obtained from Family
* They confirmed Deborah as bio daughter but had none of Daborahs DNA to compare to parents
* Confirmed no Juvenile Prints available
* Did not have growth or removal spot
Member: rain
Posted: May 26, 2009 - 10:57 AM
MP:
UIP:
**Post-Mortem Pic**
*Ruled Out*
Email I recevied from the coroner:
I too have searched countless Missing Person Web Sites for this young girl and we found Deborah Meyer a few years back and
our local PD obtained DNA from the family and ruled her out. I had a hard time with this as she was the only girl I found that also had a full set of dentures. I called the missing persons mother,
Diane and she was also told that DNA was not a match and that she and her husband were the biological parents of Deborah. She also viewed our postmortem photo and described a growth on her left ear. I checked our autopsy photo's and our
girl did not have a growth on her hear and there was no obvious scar to indicate it had been removed. Diane's viewing of the photo - she did not believe that our Jane Doe was her daughter. She nor the
Rawlins PD had any juvenile fingerprints.
We are still searching.
Thank you and please keep looking.
Rick
Rick Jones D-ABMDI
Coroner Investigator
Latent Fingerprint Examiner
Clark County Office of the Coroner/Medical Examiner
1704 Pinto Lane
Las Vegas, Nevada 89106
Office # (702) 455-3210
Direct # (702) 455-4271
Fax # (702) 455-3101
E-mail:
rnj@co.clark.nv.us
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Apr 15th 2010 Deborah Entered into NamUs
Sample submitted - Tests complete
Dental information / charting is currently not available
Fingerprint information is currently not available
as of April 15, 2010
Oct 27th 2010 at 11:52 AM - Clark County Unidentified NamUs Page updated
* No ruled out Missing Persons entered
Samples submitted - Tests not complete
Dental information / charting is currently not available
Prints checked through local PD and FBI no matches in file.
as of October 27, 2010 at 11:52 AM