UK - Constance Marten & Mark Gordon charged, Newborn (found deceased), Bolton Greater Manchester, 5 Jan 2023 #6

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More 'opposite' claims from CM, covering all bases, IMO like all habitual liars, JMO:

Were they in denial about the baby being dead? Or was it clear she had been dead for some time?

So far, she has said (or we have been told) nothing which explains why they didn't call 999 and seek emergency assistance.
 

Marten feared she would never get her other children back after baby’s death, court told​

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“I panicked and thought how am I going to get my other four kids back now that Victoria’s passed away.”
Interesting if she's genuinely thinking in these terms, as afaik there is no chance of her "getting back" the older children, who we've been told have now been adopted.

Is this a glimpse into her tenuous grasp on reality? Or a fairly normal coping mechanism?
 
Today it feels like we’ve heard all about the fantasy world that they’ve been living in.Two people, madly in love, who would do whatever it takes for their children…tomorrow during the cross exam I imagine we will get some reality back. The sad thing is, she does genuinely seem to believe what she’s saying is true. I’m not sure if it’s arrogance, denial, or what, but she doesn’t seem capable of acknowledging that their actions may be the reason for everything that has happened. She really doesn’t believe she’s done nothing wrong. (I completely disagree with her for the record). JMO.
 
So cross examination tomorrow, then what happens after that?
CM’s defence witnesses will be next (if there are any), then the prosecution and both defence barristers will give their closing speeches. Then the judge will offer his directions and sum up, and the jury will be sent out to deliberate. And then we wait!
 
He means in between when she is sworn in as a witness and when she is discharged as a witness. Fine at other times.

This case will overrun now. It was due to finish by tomorrow. There's no way the jury will retire before next week. CM hasn't even finished giving her evidence in chief. To come, we have the rest of her evidence, any other witnesses she is calling, three closing speeches, the judge's summing up, and possibly other eventualities too such as extensive legal argument or witnesses being called back. It could easily be next Wednesday or later before the jurors go out.
Barrister this afternoon seemed to inadvertently skip from 8th Jan to 12th Jan and had to be reminded to go back to the 8th timeline.
 
I'm updating my timeline again, now we're just about at the end of the prosecution. New changes in bold. If I've missed anything let me know so I can edit it in.

- 1974 - MG born in Birmingham, the youngest of 7 children, to mum Sylvia
- ~1985 - MG, 11, and family move to Hollywood, Florida
- 26th May 1987 - CM born, lives at Crichel Down, a stately home in Dorset. Her parents are Napier and Virginie Marten (nee Camu, later de Selliers)
- 1989 - MG convicted of rape, age 14
- 1996 - Napier Marten, CM's father, leaves the family, heads to Australia, and leaves behind his 'materialistic' life. He variously has an out-of-body experience with Aborigines, goes whale watching, lives in a lorry, works as a chef and trains in Indian head massage. Unknown when he returned to the UK, but it's 2013 at the latest.
- 2005 (presumed) - CM leaves school - St Mary's Shaftesbury.
- 6-18 months in 2006-7 (dates unclear, reports vary) - CM joins TB Joshua's SCOAN cult in Nigeria, which is later linked to sex abuse. Friends report she's not the same afterwards.
- 2008 - CM starts studying Arabic and Middle Eastern Studies at the University of Leeds
- Jan 2009 - CM listed as Tatler 'Babe of the Month'
- 2010 - MG released after 20 years and deported to UK
- 2010-11 - CM on a year abroad in Cairo, studying Arabic. She was, presumably, there when the Arab Spring / Egyptian Revolution happened in Cairo in Jan-Feb 2011. A friend, Noisette Tahoun, she met during this time, and stayed in touch with afterwards, later suggests she had a history of unhealthy relationships, referring to a relationship with a "vulgar" man, and that "when she falls in love she doesn't listen to anyone". It's unclear who or when this vulgar man was.
- 2012 - CM graduates from Leeds with a 2:1
- Aug 2012-June 2013 - CM works as a researcher for Al Jazeera in London, and pitches an idea for a documentary about TB Joshua
- 2013 - CM's childhood stately home at Crichel Down is sold. CM's father reported to be working as a tree surgeon, having passed the estate on early to his eldest son. At the time of CM's disappearance, he is reported to be a film and music producer.
- June-2013-14 - CM works in three short term jobs, two lasting less than a month and one lasting three months; appears to be out of work
- 2014 - CM does a NCTJ course in court reporting. I think this is possible a MOOC rather than anything terribly in depth.
- 2016 - CM leaves E15 Acting School and is listed as a graduate. It is unclear what year she started in - it could have been a second BA starting in 2013 (which would explain her work history) or an MA starting 2015.
- 2016 - CM and MG meet in a shop. MG is reported to live near her and be working as a labourer. CM rapidly starts to cut off family and friends.
- Approximately 2017 - CM and MG marry in Peru, but claim that this marriage was not recognised in the UK. No proof of this marriage is produced, nor whether it was a marriage legally recognised in Peru.
- June 2017 - CM pregnant, presents at a hospital in London, seeking antenatal care for the first time, says she's living in a campervan
- Sept 2017 - SS issues an alert because they can't locate her
- unspecified time later, it emerges they are living, while pregnant, in a flimsy festival-style tent with black bin bags containing clothing and bottles of urine. The social worker who saw it described it as bowing under the rainwater and smelling stale. CM told SS that living in a tent had been her idea, and that she had nappies and babygrows, but was informed that this was insufficient. She was told to arrange housing, and that if she didn't a court order would be sought. CM promised to arrange for housing and state benefits.
- late 2017 - CM goes to a hospital in Wales in early labour, fake Irish accent, claims to be a traveller called Isabella O'Brien, and living in a campervan nearby. She says she lives in Leeds but is avoiding her family. MG pretends to be a friend, Mr Aymer, borrowing a surname from CM's sister-in-law. CM later says she posed as a traveller because she thought this would mean she'd get social housing.
- Supervision order made, allowing CM and MG to care for the baby under the supervision of SS, and CM and the first baby (FF) go into "a number of" mother and baby foster care placements. CM warned twice about the danger of falling asleep with baby on her.
- 2018 - FF's interim care order is discharged
- Late 2018 - GG is born in Wales, and social services become involved again
- 2019 (?) - CM falls from a window. Details are unclear, but this is later determined to be an incident of domestic violence. CM & MG also evade an investigation by SS into the wellbeing of the children.

- Jan 2020 - local authority starts care proceedings, and at the same time Napier Marten starts an application for wardship of FF and GG - it is unclear what the aim of Napier's action was, as it's a tool rarely used since 1989. CM claims in police interview that SS removed her children after MG was blamed for her falling out of a window. She also revealed that her family were involved with SS and had hired private investigators "trying to get involved with my children".
- 4 Feb 2020 - CM posts a facebook album with three children entitled "my love sprogs", with different children labelled bty / cof / dav. IMO she posted that in the hope that it would make it easier for the children to find her on social media when they're older. Many of her facebook friends express surprise that she has any children at all. One of the comments suggests that a picture is taken in Ilford, East London.
- Some point between Jan and June 2020 - baby HH is born
- June 2020 - MG and CM refuse a placement in a residential unit, so an emergency care and separation order is made for all three children.
- CM and MG have contact with all three (later four) children. They are noted to have "interacted well" at the session, but their attendance is "inconsistent", at one point going 4 months without contact. The children are affected by this, with one child described as "inconsolable" and telling staff "mummy and daddy cancelled again"
- Unknown date around this time - CM and MG are evicted from a property in Ilford.
- August 2020 - MG and CM are reported to be living on the Coldharbour Estate, Greenwich / Eltham, though it's unknown when they moved in. Neighbours report shouting, and the couple spending long periods of time elsewhere. NB: I believe the same property is variously referred to as being on the "Coldharbour Estate, Greenwich" and "in Eltham", though there is a possibility there were two homes very close together.
- May 2021 - CM is pregnant again with baby II, refuses entry to a social worker, SS arrange a scan, CM disappears and claims she's having private healthcare, but refuses to share medical records.
- II is born; the exact date is unclear. There is a court hearing regarding the care of the older children, and they are offered a video link but decide to attend in person. They are told that II is not ready to be discharged, but if they leave without II it will be recorded as an abandonment. The next day she returns to the hospital but is upset to be refused entry because she wouldn't take a covid test. She tells SS that she and MG are 'naturalists' who disagree with any medical intervention.
- August 2021, CM's brother Max Marten marries Ruth Aymer, and the wedding is featured in Vogue. CM is nowhere to be seen due to the estrangement.
- 28 Jan 2022 - care and placement orders made for all four children and they are adopted. At this point MG and CM will have known that they have lost all hope of getting those children back.
- March / April(?) 2022 CM pregnant again, conceals pregnancy
- August / September 2022 (sources differ) - MG and CM withdraw £15,000 cash, are evicted, and leave their property in Coldharbour Estate Greenwich / Eltham (they were evicted, but IMO: this coincides with when her bump started to show). They weren't paying rent, and left smoke damage and a collapsed ceiling behind them.
- September - December 2022 - live a nomadic lifestyle, staying in a series of Airbnbs. CM later claims, in police interview, that they tried not to stay in any one area for more than three days at a time, as that would give the local authority jurisdiction over Victoria. They planned to keep moving until they could find somewhere to rent in the countryside that accepted cash.
- From Sept 2022, CM starts to claim a family trust fund. On the 20th, CM requests a £300 advance on the trust fund payment, normally £2500 per month. On 30th Sept, she receives the remaining £2200.
- Oct 2022 - requests another trust fund advance.
- Nov 2022 - CM receives £1200 from a trust fund for the storage of belongings.

- 19 Dec 2022 - MG reports to a police station in Sheffield, presumably as part of his sex offender licence conditions.
- 20-26 Dec 2022 - CM & MG stay in holiday cottage in Northumberland
- 22 Dec - CM receives £15,590 from trust fund for the purchase of a car. Around this time, a further £13,596 is sent for camera equipment and a laptop, after CM said she wanted to start working again. The allowance also rises to £3400 per month. The total amount transferred to CM over this period is £47,886.
- 24 Dec 2022 - CM claims Victoria was born, though this is disputed.
- 26 Dec 2022 - MG reports to a police station in Leeds
- 28 Dec 2022 - Car, a Peugeot 206, breaks down on M61 Greater Manchester (the podcast states this was a Suzuki in M18 Yorkshire). Recovery crew think they're living in the car but don't see a baby. Car towed to Leeds.
- 3 Jan 2023 - CM receives £3400 from a different trust fund
- 4 Jan 2023 - CM & MG check into hotel in Lymm, Cheshire and then later into a different hotel in Manchester. CM withdraws £2000 cash from MetroBank - the maximum allowed. She states that this is because they want to remain untraceable.
- 5 Jan 2023 - Peugeot 206 car catches fire on the M61 near J4 Bolton. CM was driving as MG couldn't drive. Around 6.30pm CM and MG depart leaving behind a passport, placenta, 30 'burner' phones, bible, clothes, 5 used nappies, and a cat in a box. The manhunt begins. Local man called Waiwai Balai gives them a lift to Bolton city centre. 20.02 spotted on CCTV at Bolton Bus Interchange. Take a taxi from Bolton to Liverpool, then a separate taxi from near Liverpool Royal Hospital to Harwich. Speculation is that, as both Liverpool and Harwich are ports, they are trying to leave the country but are hamstrung because MG doesn't have a passport and CM lost hers in the car fire. Debit card transactions cease; CM has £19,083 in her MetroBank account.
- 6 Jan 2023 - CM and MG check in at 3am in Premier Inn Harwich. After departing, staff notice a strong odour that they liken to rotting flesh. WS speculation: this was trench foot (MG was seen with bags over his shoes) or a post partum issue (infection?) from CM. They had had consistent access to bathrooms, so simply body odour is less likely. They move to the Fryatt Hotel that night.
- 7 Jan 2023 - Check out of Fryatt Hotel in Harwich at 7am, then take a taxi to Colchester, then a taxi to East Ham, where they are seen 10.30-12.30. They take a taxi to Whitechapel Road, arriving at 6.15pm. Eat a meal at a restaurant on Brick Lane. Baby seen moving. MG buys a buggy at Argos, along with some camping gear. Try to get a taxi, fail, dump buggy, put baby in Lidl bag.
- 8 Jan 2023 - Shortly after midnight they ask taxi driver Abdirisakh Mohamud to take them to Tesco Extra Enfield. CM claims to be a Muslim using a hood and facemask as a hijab. MG claims to be doing the same because of a hair problem. The taxi driver becomes uneasy and drops the couple off prematurely on Green Lanes - presumably around the Green Lanes / Allison Road junction as they then catch another taxi, driven by Hasan Guzel, departing at 1.25am. During the journey, her phone pings and she asks to change the destination from Portsmouth to Newhaven. The baby is heard "meowing". They arrive at Newhaven at 4.56am. Seen sheltering from rain under an underpass around 6am. CM buys snacks at Texaco Newhaven. 6.15am - seen walking along Cantercrow Hill towards fields with bag and tent.
- 9-11 Jan 2023 - CM claims baby died, changing her story during questioning. CM claims she died when she was in her coat, and CM fell asleep, with the inference being that she suffocated. They both say they attempted resuscitation, but heard a "bubbling" noise from the lungs.
- Unknown date, after the baby died; CM says they discussed what to tell the police; MG told her to say it was a cot death, she was put to sleep on her front, not being held by CM, and when she woke up the baby had died.
- Unknown date / extended period: they carry the baby around in a Lidl bag, but variously claim the bag became too heavy to carry, that soil was added to mask the smell, and that they considered burying her but were too weak to dig.
- 12 Jan, just after 6am - CM purchases petrol and snacks from the same Texaco in Newhaven. She later claims this was because she considered cremating the baby.
- 19 Jan - Napier Marten issues appeal for CM to turn herself in
- 21 Jan - Karen Satchell, half sister of MG, goes to press saying he was wrongly convicted of rape
- 16 Jan 2023 - 11.45am Nicholas Frost, a dog walker sees tent and MG getting out of it at Stanmer Park Nature Reserve. It is not there a week later.
- Unknown date between 16-27 January, 10.30-2.30 - witness Sarah Hidden states she saw CM and MG in Seaford, on the path between Cuckmere Haven and South Barn car park, with them emerging from the buses. She states she was woken by a baby crying on the preceding two nights, sleeping with the windows open despite a (loud??) winter storm. She believes the sound to have been coming from around Seaford Head golf course.
- 8 Feb - Virginie de Selliers, CM's mum and a psychotherapist, issues an appeal for her to come forward
- 16/17 Feb 2023 - seen near Hollingbury Golf Course with a buggy but no baby
- 17 Feb - tent seen Coldean Lane / Stanmer Park, Brighton (Coldean Lane runs through the park). Sighting in Stanmer Park around midday by witness Mary Thomsen.
- 18 Feb - sighting of CM and MG around Coldean Lane, with CM appearing to have something under her jacket
- 19 Feb - CM and MG seen in Stanmer Park with blue tent, and a 'floppy headed' baby with no clothes. The witness, Pauline Mason, states in court that the baby was so pale she believes it was already dead. Her husband Michael Mason stated they went back later to look for evidence in bins and hedgerows, such as nappies or discarded clothing. However, they did not report the sighting until 1st March. Mr Mason also disclosed that Pauline was convinced that she saw the 1986 Babes in the Wood murder victims. WS member consensus: Pauline is not a convincing witness.
- 19 Feb - MG's mother Sylvia, who lives in Florida, goes to the papers saying he's a 'good boy', that he and CM had married in secret some time ago (no evidence of this is ever produced) and suggesting they could have been kidnapped.
- 20 Feb - CM and MG seen scavenging in bins around Hollingbury Golf Course
- 22 Feb - CM and MG attend Brighton Food Bank. They receive some food, but don't ask for baby items, which are available.
- 27 Feb 2023 - CM and MG go to Mulberry's Convenience Store and buy £20 worth of food in cash but no baby items. Shortly afterwards, they are arrested in Brighton, 9.35pm, smelling 'very unpleasant'. They refuse to tell police where the baby is.
- 1 March 2023 - Baby Victoria's remains found at the back of a disused shed in allotments off Lyncht Close, Brighton, so decomposed that the sex could not be identified visually. She is in a Lidl bag, wrapped in sheets, with cans, bottles and leaves. The post mortem finds the cause of death to be "unascertained". There is no evidence of a natural disease, congenital condition, nor injuries associated with assault. Death from hypothermia or co-sleeping is possible, but not provable or disprovable.

Sources: as before, but the additional sources for the update are as follows






I'm updating my timeline again, as we've had a meaty day of defence from CM. New changes in bold. If I've missed anything let me know so I can edit it in.

- 1974 - MG born in Birmingham, the youngest of 7 children, to mum Sylvia
- ~1985 - MG, 11, and family move to Hollywood, Florida
- 26th May 1987 - CM born, lives at Crichel Down, a stately home in Dorset. Her parents are Napier and Virginie Marten (nee Camu, later de Selliers).
- 1989 - MG convicted of rape, age 14
- 1996 - Napier Marten, CM's father, leaves the family, heads to Australia, and leaves behind his 'materialistic' life. He variously has an out-of-body experience with Aborigines, goes whale watching, lives in a lorry, works as a chef and trains in Indian head massage. Unknown when he returned to the UK, but it's 2013 at the latest.
- Unspecified point in CM's childhood - there is an unspecified "traumatic event" involving one of her family members, first cited in CM's court defence, with no further details given.
- 2005 (presumed) - CM leaves school - St Mary's Shaftesbury.
- 6-18 months in 2006-7 (dates unclear, reports vary) - CM joins TB Joshua's SCOAN cult in Nigeria, which is later linked to sex abuse. Friends report she's not the same afterwards.
- 2008 - CM starts studying Arabic and Middle Eastern Studies at the University of Leeds. While studying there, she gets a fixed penalty notice for shoplifting a t-shirt, but this is her only conviction to date. She describes this as a 'silly prank'.
- Jan 2009 - CM listed as Tatler 'Babe of the Month'
- 2010 - MG released after 20 years and deported to UK
- 2010 - CM's paternal grandmother dies, triggering a dispute about her will. CM states in court that her will was disposed of and a letter of wishes was used instead, against her GM's wishes. CM expresses bitterness that she was treated differently to her brothers, who had had houses bought for them.
- 2010-11 - CM on a year abroad in Cairo, studying Arabic. She was, presumably, there when the Arab Spring / Egyptian Revolution happened in Cairo in Jan-Feb 2011. A friend, Noisette Tahoun, she met during this time, and stayed in touch with afterwards, later suggests she had a history of unhealthy relationships, referring to a relationship with a "vulgar" man, and that "when she falls in love she doesn't listen to anyone". It's unclear who or when this vulgar man was.
- 2012 - CM graduates from Leeds with a 2:1
- 2012 - CM cuts off contact with her family, according to her defence statement, though her social media showed her continuing to be friends with her brother's partner / future sister in law until 2016.
- Aug 2012-June 2013 - CM works as a researcher for Al Jazeera in London, and pitches an idea for a documentary about TB Joshua
- 2013 - CM's childhood stately home at Crichel Down is sold. CM's father reported to be working as a tree surgeon, having passed the estate on early to his eldest son. At the time of CM's disappearance, he is reported to be a film and music producer.
- June 2013-14 - According to her LinkedIn, CM works in three short term jobs, two lasting less than a month and one lasting three months; appears to be out of work. In her court defence, she also mentions having worked as a nanny around this time.
- 2014 - CM does a NCTJ course in court reporting. I think this is possible a MOOC rather than anything terribly in depth.
- 2014 - CM and MG meet in an Indian shop that sold incense. MG is reported to live near her and be working as a labourer. CM starts to cut off family and friends (note: previously reported to be 2016, CM stated in her defence it was 2014)
- 2016 - CM leaves E15 Acting School and is listed as a graduate. It is unclear what year she started in - it could have been a second BA starting in 2013 (which would explain her work history) or an MA starting 2015.
- 2016 - CM and MG go travelling together and marry in Peru, but claim that this marriage was not recognised in the UK. No proof of this marriage is produced, nor whether it was a marriage legally recognised in Peru.
- June 2017 - CM pregnant, presents at a hospital in London, seeking antenatal care for the first time, says she's living in a campervan
- Sept 2017 - SS issues an alert because they can't locate her
- unspecified time later, it emerges they are living, while pregnant, in a flimsy festival-style tent with black bin bags containing clothing and bottles of urine. The social worker who saw it described it as bowing under the rainwater and smelling stale. CM told SS that living in a tent had been her idea, and that she had nappies and babygrows, but was informed that this was insufficient. She was told to arrange housing, and that if she didn't a court order would be sought. CM promised to arrange for housing and state benefits.
- late 2017, when 8.5 months pregnant - CM's trust fund is cut off overnight. It had been paying £50 per week. CM then writes a "stern email" to the trustees, saying they have a duty of care. Payments are increased to £1700 per month.
- late 2017 - CM goes to a hospital in Wales in early labour, fake Irish accent, claims to be a traveller called Isabella O'Brien, and living in a campervan nearby. She says she lives in Leeds but is avoiding her family. MG pretends to be a friend, Mr Aymer, borrowing a surname from CM's sister-in-law. CM later says she posed as a traveller because she thought this would mean she'd get social housing. CM states in court that she moved to Wales to evade her family, who had hired private detectives.
- Supervision order made, allowing CM and MG to care for the baby under the supervision of SS, and CM and the first baby (FF) go into "a number of" mother and baby foster care placements. CM warned twice about the danger of falling asleep with baby on her.
- 2018 - FF's interim care order is discharged
- Late 2018 - GG is born in Wales (or London, sources differ). The birth takes place at home, in a birthing pool. Social services become involved again. CM starts to receive £2000, increased from £1700, from her trust fund.
- 2019 (?) - CM falls from a window. Details are unclear, but this is later determined to be an incident of domestic violence. CM & MG also evade an investigation by SS into the wellbeing of the children.
- Jan 2020 - local authority starts care proceedings, and at the same time Napier Marten starts an application for wardship of FF and GG - it is unclear what the aim of Napier's action was, as it's a tool rarely used since 1989. CM claims in police interview that SS removed her children after MG was blamed for her falling out of a window. She also revealed that her family were involved with SS and had hired private investigators "trying to get involved with my children".
- 4 Feb 2020 - CM posts a facebook album with three children entitled "my love sprogs", with different children labelled bty / cof / dav. IMO she posted that in the hope that it would make it easier for the children to find her on social media when they're older. Many of her facebook friends express surprise that she has any children at all. One of the comments suggests that a picture is taken in Ilford, East London.
- June 2020 - Baby HH is born. MG and CM refuse a placement in a residential unit, so an emergency care and separation order is made for all three children.
- CM and MG have contact with all three (later four) children. They are noted to have "interacted well" at the session, but their attendance is "inconsistent", at one point going 4 months without contact. The children are affected by this, with one child described as "inconsolable" and telling staff "mummy and daddy cancelled again"
- Unknown date around this time - CM and MG are evicted from a property in Ilford.
- August 2020 - MG and CM are reported to be living on the Coldharbour Estate, Greenwich / Eltham, though it's unknown when they moved in. Neighbours report shouting, and the couple spending long periods of time elsewhere. NB: I believe the same property is variously referred to as being on the "Coldharbour Estate, Greenwich" and "in Eltham", though there is a possibility there were two homes very close together.
- May 2021 - CM is pregnant again with baby II, refuses entry to a social worker, SS arrange a scan, CM disappears and claims she's having private healthcare, but refuses to share medical records.
- II is born; the exact date is unclear. There is a court hearing regarding the care of the older children, and they are offered a video link but decide to attend in person. They are told that II is not ready to be discharged, but if they leave without II it will be recorded as an abandonment. The next day she returns to the hospital but is upset to be refused entry because she wouldn't take a covid test. She tells SS that she and MG are 'naturalists' who disagree with any medical intervention.
- August 2021, CM's brother Max Marten marries Ruth Aymer, and the wedding is featured in Vogue. CM is nowhere to be seen due to the estrangement.
- 28 Jan 2022 - care and placement orders made for all four children and they are adopted. At this point MG and CM will have known that they have lost all hope of getting those children back.
- March / April(?) 2022 CM pregnant again, conceals pregnancy
- Unspecified point, presumably around this time - an unspecified legal dispute with CM's family means that MG's passport is unclear. The nature of this legal dispute is unclear, but it prevents a plan to travel abroad prior to the birth.
- August / September 2022 (sources differ) - MG and CM withdraw £15,000 cash, are evicted, and leave their property in Coldharbour Estate Greenwich / Eltham (they were evicted, but IMO: this coincides with when her bump started to show). They weren't paying rent, and left smoke damage and a collapsed ceiling behind them.
- September - December 2022 - live a nomadic lifestyle, staying in a series of Airbnbs. CM later claims, in police interview, that they tried not to stay in any one area for more than three days at a time, as that would give the local authority jurisdiction over Victoria. They planned to keep moving until they could find somewhere to rent in the countryside that accepted cash.
- From Sept 2022, CM starts(?) to claim a family trust fund. On the 20th, CM requests a £300 advance on the trust fund payment, normally £2500 per month. On 30th Sept, she receives the remaining £2200.
- Oct 2022 - requests another trust fund advance.
- Nov 2022 - CM receives £1200 from a trust fund for the storage of belongings.
- 19 Dec 2022 - MG reports to a police station in Sheffield, presumably as part of his sex offender licence conditions.
- 20-26 Dec 2022 - CM & MG stay in holiday cottage in Northumberland
- 22 Dec - CM receives £15,590 from trust fund for the purchase of a car. Around this time, a further £13,596 is sent for camera equipment and a laptop, after CM said she wanted to start working again. The allowance also rises to £3400 per month. The total amount transferred to CM over this period is £47,886.
- 24 Dec 2022 - CM claims Victoria was born, though this is disputed. They retain the placenta, planning to bury it.
- 26 Dec 2022 - MG reports to a police station in Leeds
- 28 Dec 2022 - Car, a Suzuki, breaks down on M61 Greater Manchester (the podcast states this was on the M18 Yorkshire). Recovery crew think they're living in the car but don't see a baby. Car towed to Leeds.
- 3 Jan 2023 - CM receives £3400 from a different trust fund
- 4 Jan 2023 - CM & MG check into hotel in Lymm, Cheshire and then later into a different hotel in Manchester. CM withdraws £2000 cash from MetroBank - the maximum allowed. She states that this is because they want to remain untraceable.
- 5 Jan 2023 - Peugeot 206 car catches fire on the M61 near J4 Bolton. CM was driving as MG couldn't drive. Around 6.30pm CM and MG depart leaving behind a passport, placenta, 34 'burner' phones, bible, clothes, 5 used nappies, and a cat in a box.CM tells court that the sheer number of burner phones was because she believed her emails and phones were being hacked by private investigators hired by her family. The manhunt begins. Local man called Waiwai Balai gives them a lift to Bolton city centre. 20.02 spotted on CCTV at Bolton Bus Interchange. Take a taxi from Bolton to Liverpool, then a separate taxi from near Liverpool Royal Hospital to Harwich. Debit card transactions cease; CM has £19,083 in her MetroBank account. The placenta is later confirmed to be that of a full-term. While placentas are hard to date, it is determined to be more than a couple of days old.
- 6 Jan 2023 - CM and MG check in at 3am in Premier Inn Harwich. After departing, staff notice a strong odour that they liken to rotting flesh. WS speculation: this was trench foot (MG was seen with bags over his shoes) or a post partum issue (infection?) from CM. They had had consistent access to bathrooms, so simply body odour is less likely. They move to the Fryatt Hotel that night. While in Harwich, they are recognised, and realised they are the subject of a media appeal. They change the plans from leaving the country, to getting a flat and lying low in London for a while.
- 7 Jan 2023 - Check out of Fryatt Hotel in Harwich at 7am, then take a taxi to Colchester, then a taxi to East Ham, where they are seen 10.30-12.30. They take a taxi to Whitechapel Road, arriving at 6.15pm. They realise that getting a flat is unrealistic; “The problem with a flat if someone banged on the door there would be nowhere to run with Victoria. We realised our options were slowly diminishing so that is when we thought ‘let’s get a tent and lay low away from prying eyes'”. Eat a meal at a restaurant on Brick Lane. Baby seen moving. MG buys a buggy at Argos, along with some camping gear. Try to get a taxi, fail, dump buggy, and either put baby in Lidl bag or carry her in a sling (disputed - CM says the baby was only placed in a Lidl bag after her death).
- 8 Jan 2023 - Shortly after midnight they ask taxi driver Abdirisakh Mohamud to take them to Tesco Extra Enfield. CM claims to be a Muslim using a hood and facemask as a hijab. MG claims to be doing the same because of a hair problem. The taxi driver becomes uneasy and drops the couple off prematurely on Green Lanes - presumably around the Green Lanes / Allison Road junction as they then catch another taxi, driven by Hasan Guzel, departing at 1.25am. During the journey, her phone pings and she asks to change the destination from Portsmouth to Newhaven. CM states that they wanted to be near a port in the hope that someone could smuggle them abroad, or they could rent a cottage with cash. The baby is heard "meowing". They arrive at Newhaven at 4.56am. Seen sheltering from rain under an underpass around 6am. CM buys snacks at Texaco Newhaven. 6.15am - seen walking along Cantercrow Hill towards fields with bag and tent.
- 8-11 Jan 2023 - CM claims baby died, changing her story during questioning. CM claims she died when she was in her coat, and CM fell asleep, with the inference being that she suffocated. They both say they attempted resuscitation, but heard a "bubbling" noise from the lungs.
- Unknown date, after the baby died; CM says they discussed what to tell the police; MG told her to say it was a cot death, she was put to sleep on her front, not being held by CM, and when she woke up the baby had died.
- Unknown date / extended period: they carry the baby around in a Lidl bag, but variously claim the bag became too heavy to carry, that soil was added to mask the smell, and that they considered burying her but were too weak to dig. They consider suicide.
- 12 Jan, just after 6am - CM purchases petrol and snacks from the same Texaco in Newhaven. She later claims this was because she considered cremating the baby.
- 19 Jan - Napier Marten issues appeal for CM to turn herself in
- 21 Jan - Karen Satchell, half sister of MG, goes to press saying he was wrongly convicted of rape
- 16 Jan 2023 - 11.45am Nicholas Frost, a dog walker sees tent and MG getting out of it at Stanmer Park Nature Reserve. It is not there a week later.
- Unknown date between 16-27 January, 10.30-2.30 - witness Sarah Hidden states she saw CM and MG in Seaford, on the path between Cuckmere Haven and South Barn car park, with them emerging from the buses. She states she was woken by a baby crying on the preceding two nights, sleeping with the windows open despite a (loud??) winter storm. She believes the sound to have been coming from around Seaford Head golf course.
- 8 Feb - Virginie de Selliers, CM's mum and a psychotherapist, issues an appeal for her to come forward
- 16/17 Feb 2023 - seen near Hollingbury Golf Course with a buggy but no baby
- 17 Feb - tent seen Coldean Lane / Stanmer Park, Brighton (Coldean Lane runs through the park). Sighting in Stanmer Park around midday by witness Mary Thomsen.
- 18 Feb - sighting of CM and MG around Coldean Lane, with CM appearing to have something under her jacket
- 19 Feb - CM and MG seen in Stanmer Park with blue tent, and a 'floppy headed' baby with no clothes. The witness, Pauline Mason, states in court that the baby was so pale she believes it was already dead. Her husband Michael Mason stated they went back later to look for evidence in bins and hedgerows, such as nappies or discarded clothing. However, they did not report the sighting until 1st March. Mr Mason also disclosed that Pauline was convinced that she saw the 1986 Babes in the Wood murder victims. WS member consensus: Pauline is not a convincing witness.
- 19 Feb - MG's mother Sylvia, who lives in Florida, goes to the papers saying he's a 'good boy', that he and CM had married in secret some time ago (no evidence of this is ever produced) and suggesting they could have been kidnapped.
- 20 Feb - CM and MG seen scavenging in bins around Hollingbury Golf Course
- 22 Feb - CM and MG attend Brighton Food Bank. They receive some food, but don't ask for baby items, which are available.
- 27 Feb 2023 - CM and MG go to Mulberry's Convenience Store and buy £20 worth of food in cash but no baby items. Shortly afterwards, they are arrested in Brighton, 9.35pm, smelling 'very unpleasant'. They refuse to tell police where the baby is.
- 1 March 2023 - Baby Victoria's remains found at the back of a disused shed in allotments off Lyncht Close, Brighton, so decomposed that the sex could not be identified visually. She is in a Lidl bag, wrapped in sheets, with cans, bottles and leaves. The post mortem finds the cause of death to be "unascertained". There is no evidence of a natural disease, congenital condition, nor injuries associated with assault. Death from hypothermia or co-sleeping is possible, but not provable or disprovable. Time of death was unascertained, but baby was estimated to be 2-6 weeks old.






 
Today it feels like we’ve heard all about the fantasy world that they’ve been living in.Two people, madly in love, who would do whatever it takes for their children…tomorrow during the cross exam I imagine we will get some reality back. The sad thing is, she does genuinely seem to believe what she’s saying is true. I’m not sure if it’s arrogance, denial, or what, but she doesn’t seem capable of acknowledging that their actions may be the reason for everything that has happened. She really doesn’t believe she’s done nothing wrong. (I completely disagree with her for the record). JMO.
Agree. JMO but while her anxiety / worry / about being recognised / having her baby removed / family having investigators follow her / even referring to hazy memory at times is clear . . it does also seem like she came across v composed and eloquent, softly and well spoken.. and per
Comment above like she really doesn’t believe they did anything wrong… all so heartbreaking.
 
BBM - this has not been part of evidence in court.

IIRC, contact sessions were glowing and (according to one podcast) the family court judge left the childrens record open so that they could see 'what could have been'.

IMO there has been no evidence reported that the children were neglected in the physical sense. The children were permanently removed because of a failure by Marten and Gordon to engage with SS and because of DV concerns.
Care and attention is also emotionally. The contact sessions weren’t glowing. The very fact they were inconsistent showed that parental needs and wants came above the needs of the children. It’s brutal, because SS are asking the hardest thing of the parents, to see their child and leave them again, but the inconsistency will have been a factor in permanent removal and a negative mark against the sessions in general. I do think on The Trial podcast they mentioned the children not always responding back to the hugs and love given during contact - but I’d need to check to be sure. Also, this might have been for lots of reasons as it would have been very confusing for them. It’s very sad because when they attended, it was thought out and they interacted well - however, this would be expected from a couple where one certainly had good education and no mention (unless I missed something) of chronic drug abuse etc. Plenty of parents do interact well, but they don’t have the consistency to parent a child long term and meet all the child’s needs every day.

The parents you see who don’t interact well with children have often been severely neglected themselves and didn’t learn to play as children. They don’t have any idea how to encourage their child to imagine. Their parents never explained things to them or pointed out flowers, trees, cars and colours - so it doesn’t occur to them to do it for their child. I don’t doubt CM has experienced trauma, but I think she probably had the kind of input from some adults in her life that encouraged imagining and learning - she was interested in drama and travel, these are experiences that build imagination.

Neglect can be physical - children not being fed or washed, not being taught hygiene skills etc. It can also be environmental - which has come up, the original tent dipping under the weight of water with urine bottles outside with no space for a baby (or, later, a toddler or child) to play. It can be within the lack of consistency eg. not attending the child’s medical appointments consistently, dressing them and educating them some days, but failing to on others. It can also be emotional. Babies from severe domestic violence situations are often frozen babies, they don’t smile or seek eye contact, they don’t learn to laugh, they don’t explore the room or show interest in a toy on their high chair. We don’t and won’t know exactly what all the concerns were, but certain neglect has been brought up as a factor for the previous children.

Equally, the inconsistent contact will have formed part of a big picture resulting in permanent removal. It’s never one thing. Social services must show the court they have exhausted every avenue to work with parents for that child’s sake - otherwise permanent removal from the family is not deemed in the child’s best interests. The court must see a clear picture of all the difficulties the parents have in parenting their children and contact plays a part in that picture. It’s a complex decision and many children are made to wait if there’s an avenue a social worker has failed to explore or prove they’ve explored that could mean the family are kept together. Equally, though, because so much happens in early years development including attachment, ability to build language etc. it can mean social services and the court are under time pressure to make a decision for that child. It’s particularly key in cases where neglect or abuse appears to be having very severe effects on attachment or there is no language development in a toddler, so is likely to have been as pressing an issue here (though I’m sure it was considered as it is for every child).
 
Yes, I somewhat agree she genuinely doesn't think she did anything wrong. She may seem articulate to some, but today she strikes me as immature? Sounds like she thinks 'love' is some magical force that overrides basic survival needs. Based on the evidence so far, Victoria had few (if any) of her basic needs met, but she was 'so loved' and that's all that matters apparently?

I don't believe the evidence we've seen shows any real love for Victoria. Just a love of defiance.
 
I'm updating my timeline again, as we've had a meaty day of defence from CM. New changes in bold. If I've missed anything let me know so I can edit it in.

- 1974 - MG born in Birmingham, the youngest of 7 children, to mum Sylvia
- ~1985 - MG, 11, and family move to Hollywood, Florida
- 26th May 1987 - CM born, lives at Crichel Down, a stately home in Dorset. Her parents are Napier and Virginie Marten (nee Camu, later de Selliers).
- 1989 - MG convicted of rape, age 14
- 1996 - Napier Marten, CM's father, leaves the family, heads to Australia, and leaves behind his 'materialistic' life. He variously has an out-of-body experience with Aborigines, goes whale watching, lives in a lorry, works as a chef and trains in Indian head massage. Unknown when he returned to the UK, but it's 2013 at the latest.
- Unspecified point in CM's childhood - there is an unspecified "traumatic event" involving one of her family members, first cited in CM's court defence, with no further details given.
- 2005 (presumed) - CM leaves school - St Mary's Shaftesbury.
- 6-18 months in 2006-7 (dates unclear, reports vary) - CM joins TB Joshua's SCOAN cult in Nigeria, which is later linked to sex abuse. Friends report she's not the same afterwards.
- 2008 - CM starts studying Arabic and Middle Eastern Studies at the University of Leeds. While studying there, she gets a fixed penalty notice for shoplifting a t-shirt, but this is her only conviction to date. She describes this as a 'silly prank'.
- Jan 2009 - CM listed as Tatler 'Babe of the Month'
- 2010 - MG released after 20 years and deported to UK
- 2010 - CM's paternal grandmother dies, triggering a dispute about her will. CM states in court that her will was disposed of and a letter of wishes was used instead, against her GM's wishes. CM expresses bitterness that she was treated differently to her brothers, who had had houses bought for them.
- 2010-11 - CM on a year abroad in Cairo, studying Arabic. She was, presumably, there when the Arab Spring / Egyptian Revolution happened in Cairo in Jan-Feb 2011. A friend, Noisette Tahoun, she met during this time, and stayed in touch with afterwards, later suggests she had a history of unhealthy relationships, referring to a relationship with a "vulgar" man, and that "when she falls in love she doesn't listen to anyone". It's unclear who or when this vulgar man was.
- 2012 - CM graduates from Leeds with a 2:1
- 2012 - CM cuts off contact with her family, according to her defence statement, though her social media showed her continuing to be friends with her brother's partner / future sister in law until 2016.
- Aug 2012-June 2013 - CM works as a researcher for Al Jazeera in London, and pitches an idea for a documentary about TB Joshua
- 2013 - CM's childhood stately home at Crichel Down is sold. CM's father reported to be working as a tree surgeon, having passed the estate on early to his eldest son. At the time of CM's disappearance, he is reported to be a film and music producer.
- June 2013-14 - According to her LinkedIn, CM works in three short term jobs, two lasting less than a month and one lasting three months; appears to be out of work. In her court defence, she also mentions having worked as a nanny around this time.
- 2014 - CM does a NCTJ course in court reporting. I think this is possible a MOOC rather than anything terribly in depth.
- 2014 - CM and MG meet in an Indian shop that sold incense. MG is reported to live near her and be working as a labourer. CM starts to cut off family and friends (note: previously reported to be 2016, CM stated in her defence it was 2014)
- 2016 - CM leaves E15 Acting School and is listed as a graduate. It is unclear what year she started in - it could have been a second BA starting in 2013 (which would explain her work history) or an MA starting 2015.
- 2016 - CM and MG go travelling together and marry in Peru, but claim that this marriage was not recognised in the UK. No proof of this marriage is produced, nor whether it was a marriage legally recognised in Peru.
- June 2017 - CM pregnant, presents at a hospital in London, seeking antenatal care for the first time, says she's living in a campervan
- Sept 2017 - SS issues an alert because they can't locate her
- unspecified time later, it emerges they are living, while pregnant, in a flimsy festival-style tent with black bin bags containing clothing and bottles of urine. The social worker who saw it described it as bowing under the rainwater and smelling stale. CM told SS that living in a tent had been her idea, and that she had nappies and babygrows, but was informed that this was insufficient. She was told to arrange housing, and that if she didn't a court order would be sought. CM promised to arrange for housing and state benefits.
- late 2017, when 8.5 months pregnant - CM's trust fund is cut off overnight. It had been paying £50 per week. CM then writes a "stern email" to the trustees, saying they have a duty of care. Payments are increased to £1700 per month.
- late 2017 - CM goes to a hospital in Wales in early labour, fake Irish accent, claims to be a traveller called Isabella O'Brien, and living in a campervan nearby. She says she lives in Leeds but is avoiding her family. MG pretends to be a friend, Mr Aymer, borrowing a surname from CM's sister-in-law. CM later says she posed as a traveller because she thought this would mean she'd get social housing. CM states in court that she moved to Wales to evade her family, who had hired private detectives.
- Supervision order made, allowing CM and MG to care for the baby under the supervision of SS, and CM and the first baby (FF) go into "a number of" mother and baby foster care placements. CM warned twice about the danger of falling asleep with baby on her.
- 2018 - FF's interim care order is discharged
- Late 2018 - GG is born in Wales (or London, sources differ). The birth takes place at home, in a birthing pool. Social services become involved again. CM starts to receive £2000, increased from £1700, from her trust fund.
- 2019 (?) - CM falls from a window. Details are unclear, but this is later determined to be an incident of domestic violence. CM & MG also evade an investigation by SS into the wellbeing of the children.
- Jan 2020 - local authority starts care proceedings, and at the same time Napier Marten starts an application for wardship of FF and GG - it is unclear what the aim of Napier's action was, as it's a tool rarely used since 1989. CM claims in police interview that SS removed her children after MG was blamed for her falling out of a window. She also revealed that her family were involved with SS and had hired private investigators "trying to get involved with my children".
- 4 Feb 2020 - CM posts a facebook album with three children entitled "my love sprogs", with different children labelled bty / cof / dav. IMO she posted that in the hope that it would make it easier for the children to find her on social media when they're older. Many of her facebook friends express surprise that she has any children at all. One of the comments suggests that a picture is taken in Ilford, East London.
- June 2020 - Baby HH is born. MG and CM refuse a placement in a residential unit, so an emergency care and separation order is made for all three children.
- CM and MG have contact with all three (later four) children. They are noted to have "interacted well" at the session, but their attendance is "inconsistent", at one point going 4 months without contact. The children are affected by this, with one child described as "inconsolable" and telling staff "mummy and daddy cancelled again"
- Unknown date around this time - CM and MG are evicted from a property in Ilford.
- August 2020 - MG and CM are reported to be living on the Coldharbour Estate, Greenwich / Eltham, though it's unknown when they moved in. Neighbours report shouting, and the couple spending long periods of time elsewhere. NB: I believe the same property is variously referred to as being on the "Coldharbour Estate, Greenwich" and "in Eltham", though there is a possibility there were two homes very close together.
- May 2021 - CM is pregnant again with baby II, refuses entry to a social worker, SS arrange a scan, CM disappears and claims she's having private healthcare, but refuses to share medical records.
- II is born; the exact date is unclear. There is a court hearing regarding the care of the older children, and they are offered a video link but decide to attend in person. They are told that II is not ready to be discharged, but if they leave without II it will be recorded as an abandonment. The next day she returns to the hospital but is upset to be refused entry because she wouldn't take a covid test. She tells SS that she and MG are 'naturalists' who disagree with any medical intervention.
- August 2021, CM's brother Max Marten marries Ruth Aymer, and the wedding is featured in Vogue. CM is nowhere to be seen due to the estrangement.
- 28 Jan 2022 - care and placement orders made for all four children and they are adopted. At this point MG and CM will have known that they have lost all hope of getting those children back.
- March / April(?) 2022 CM pregnant again, conceals pregnancy
- Unspecified point, presumably around this time - an unspecified legal dispute with CM's family means that MG's passport is unclear. The nature of this legal dispute is unclear, but it prevents a plan to travel abroad prior to the birth.
- August / September 2022 (sources differ) - MG and CM withdraw £15,000 cash, are evicted, and leave their property in Coldharbour Estate Greenwich / Eltham (they were evicted, but IMO: this coincides with when her bump started to show). They weren't paying rent, and left smoke damage and a collapsed ceiling behind them.
- September - December 2022 - live a nomadic lifestyle, staying in a series of Airbnbs. CM later claims, in police interview, that they tried not to stay in any one area for more than three days at a time, as that would give the local authority jurisdiction over Victoria. They planned to keep moving until they could find somewhere to rent in the countryside that accepted cash.
- From Sept 2022, CM starts(?) to claim a family trust fund. On the 20th, CM requests a £300 advance on the trust fund payment, normally £2500 per month. On 30th Sept, she receives the remaining £2200.
- Oct 2022 - requests another trust fund advance.
- Nov 2022 - CM receives £1200 from a trust fund for the storage of belongings.
- 19 Dec 2022 - MG reports to a police station in Sheffield, presumably as part of his sex offender licence conditions.
- 20-26 Dec 2022 - CM & MG stay in holiday cottage in Northumberland
- 22 Dec - CM receives £15,590 from trust fund for the purchase of a car. Around this time, a further £13,596 is sent for camera equipment and a laptop, after CM said she wanted to start working again. The allowance also rises to £3400 per month. The total amount transferred to CM over this period is £47,886.
- 24 Dec 2022 - CM claims Victoria was born, though this is disputed. They retain the placenta, planning to bury it.
- 26 Dec 2022 - MG reports to a police station in Leeds
- 28 Dec 2022 - Car, a Suzuki, breaks down on M61 Greater Manchester (the podcast states this was on the M18 Yorkshire). Recovery crew think they're living in the car but don't see a baby. Car towed to Leeds.
- 3 Jan 2023 - CM receives £3400 from a different trust fund
- 4 Jan 2023 - CM & MG check into hotel in Lymm, Cheshire and then later into a different hotel in Manchester. CM withdraws £2000 cash from MetroBank - the maximum allowed. She states that this is because they want to remain untraceable.
- 5 Jan 2023 - Peugeot 206 car catches fire on the M61 near J4 Bolton. CM was driving as MG couldn't drive. Around 6.30pm CM and MG depart leaving behind a passport, placenta, 34 'burner' phones, bible, clothes, 5 used nappies, and a cat in a box.CM tells court that the sheer number of burner phones was because she believed her emails and phones were being hacked by private investigators hired by her family. The manhunt begins. Local man called Waiwai Balai gives them a lift to Bolton city centre. 20.02 spotted on CCTV at Bolton Bus Interchange. Take a taxi from Bolton to Liverpool, then a separate taxi from near Liverpool Royal Hospital to Harwich. Debit card transactions cease; CM has £19,083 in her MetroBank account. The placenta is later confirmed to be that of a full-term. While placentas are hard to date, it is determined to be more than a couple of days old.
- 6 Jan 2023 - CM and MG check in at 3am in Premier Inn Harwich. After departing, staff notice a strong odour that they liken to rotting flesh. WS speculation: this was trench foot (MG was seen with bags over his shoes) or a post partum issue (infection?) from CM. They had had consistent access to bathrooms, so simply body odour is less likely. They move to the Fryatt Hotel that night. While in Harwich, they are recognised, and realised they are the subject of a media appeal. They change the plans from leaving the country, to getting a flat and lying low in London for a while.
- 7 Jan 2023 - Check out of Fryatt Hotel in Harwich at 7am, then take a taxi to Colchester, then a taxi to East Ham, where they are seen 10.30-12.30. They take a taxi to Whitechapel Road, arriving at 6.15pm. They realise that getting a flat is unrealistic; “The problem with a flat if someone banged on the door there would be nowhere to run with Victoria. We realised our options were slowly diminishing so that is when we thought ‘let’s get a tent and lay low away from prying eyes'”. Eat a meal at a restaurant on Brick Lane. Baby seen moving. MG buys a buggy at Argos, along with some camping gear. Try to get a taxi, fail, dump buggy, and either put baby in Lidl bag or carry her in a sling (disputed - CM says the baby was only placed in a Lidl bag after her death).
- 8 Jan 2023 - Shortly after midnight they ask taxi driver Abdirisakh Mohamud to take them to Tesco Extra Enfield. CM claims to be a Muslim using a hood and facemask as a hijab. MG claims to be doing the same because of a hair problem. The taxi driver becomes uneasy and drops the couple off prematurely on Green Lanes - presumably around the Green Lanes / Allison Road junction as they then catch another taxi, driven by Hasan Guzel, departing at 1.25am. During the journey, her phone pings and she asks to change the destination from Portsmouth to Newhaven. CM states that they wanted to be near a port in the hope that someone could smuggle them abroad, or they could rent a cottage with cash. The baby is heard "meowing". They arrive at Newhaven at 4.56am. Seen sheltering from rain under an underpass around 6am. CM buys snacks at Texaco Newhaven. 6.15am - seen walking along Cantercrow Hill towards fields with bag and tent.
- 8-11 Jan 2023 - CM claims baby died, changing her story during questioning. CM claims she died when she was in her coat, and CM fell asleep, with the inference being that she suffocated. They both say they attempted resuscitation, but heard a "bubbling" noise from the lungs.
- Unknown date, after the baby died; CM says they discussed what to tell the police; MG told her to say it was a cot death, she was put to sleep on her front, not being held by CM, and when she woke up the baby had died.
- Unknown date / extended period: they carry the baby around in a Lidl bag, but variously claim the bag became too heavy to carry, that soil was added to mask the smell, and that they considered burying her but were too weak to dig. They consider suicide.
- 12 Jan, just after 6am - CM purchases petrol and snacks from the same Texaco in Newhaven. She later claims this was because she considered cremating the baby.
- 19 Jan - Napier Marten issues appeal for CM to turn herself in
- 21 Jan - Karen Satchell, half sister of MG, goes to press saying he was wrongly convicted of rape
- 16 Jan 2023 - 11.45am Nicholas Frost, a dog walker sees tent and MG getting out of it at Stanmer Park Nature Reserve. It is not there a week later.
- Unknown date between 16-27 January, 10.30-2.30 - witness Sarah Hidden states she saw CM and MG in Seaford, on the path between Cuckmere Haven and South Barn car park, with them emerging from the buses. She states she was woken by a baby crying on the preceding two nights, sleeping with the windows open despite a (loud??) winter storm. She believes the sound to have been coming from around Seaford Head golf course.
- 8 Feb - Virginie de Selliers, CM's mum and a psychotherapist, issues an appeal for her to come forward
- 16/17 Feb 2023 - seen near Hollingbury Golf Course with a buggy but no baby
- 17 Feb - tent seen Coldean Lane / Stanmer Park, Brighton (Coldean Lane runs through the park). Sighting in Stanmer Park around midday by witness Mary Thomsen.
- 18 Feb - sighting of CM and MG around Coldean Lane, with CM appearing to have something under her jacket
- 19 Feb - CM and MG seen in Stanmer Park with blue tent, and a 'floppy headed' baby with no clothes. The witness, Pauline Mason, states in court that the baby was so pale she believes it was already dead. Her husband Michael Mason stated they went back later to look for evidence in bins and hedgerows, such as nappies or discarded clothing. However, they did not report the sighting until 1st March. Mr Mason also disclosed that Pauline was convinced that she saw the 1986 Babes in the Wood murder victims. WS member consensus: Pauline is not a convincing witness.
- 19 Feb - MG's mother Sylvia, who lives in Florida, goes to the papers saying he's a 'good boy', that he and CM had married in secret some time ago (no evidence of this is ever produced) and suggesting they could have been kidnapped.
- 20 Feb - CM and MG seen scavenging in bins around Hollingbury Golf Course
- 22 Feb - CM and MG attend Brighton Food Bank. They receive some food, but don't ask for baby items, which are available.
- 27 Feb 2023 - CM and MG go to Mulberry's Convenience Store and buy £20 worth of food in cash but no baby items. Shortly afterwards, they are arrested in Brighton, 9.35pm, smelling 'very unpleasant'. They refuse to tell police where the baby is.
- 1 March 2023 - Baby Victoria's remains found at the back of a disused shed in allotments off Lyncht Close, Brighton, so decomposed that the sex could not be identified visually. She is in a Lidl bag, wrapped in sheets, with cans, bottles and leaves. The post mortem finds the cause of death to be "unascertained". There is no evidence of a natural disease, congenital condition, nor injuries associated with assault. Death from hypothermia or co-sleeping is possible, but not provable or disprovable. Time of death was unascertained, but baby was estimated to be 2-6 weeks old.






Re the falling out with the family. I’ve read several reports and I think she had fallen out with one particular family member and cut ties what that one person.

From Argus
Marten said: "I was trying to flee my family. I had spoken out about a childhood traumatic event against one of my family members and also the sale of my grandmother’s estate.

"Her will was gotten rid of [sic] and they used a letter of wishes to get rid of her estate, which was against her wishes. I started speaking out about it.

From the independent

We have had a long history with issues in that regard… I stopped speaking to one of my family members two years before I met Mr Gordon,” she said.

“But I think when I met him I made a definite decision that was it for me – I didn’t want anything to do with them’

More here I showed her nothing but love, says aristocrat accused of killing daughter
 
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From the Telegraph article

"She said after university she had worked as a researcher for the Al Jazeera news channel and had also worked as a nanny and as a photographer."

Worked as a nanny. WTF!

I wonder how that worked out for her. It would be fascinating if the family she nannies for were called as defence witnesses...
The first thing her solicitor would think of when she told him about the nannying would be "Can we call the families as witnesses to establish she has a record of being sensible and reliable where children are concerned?"

One might speculate that the families are a trifle landed, very aware of the social pecking order, and loath to annoy Society, rock the boat, or condone breakouts, etc. - but that is complete speculation, so who knows? Perhaps they're not like that at all. Let's hope they're called.

The prosecution might possibly be interested in certain questions relating to the nannying too, under the heading of "Were there any problems?" How long did she last? Did they give her references? The arrangements may have been informal, but why not ask?

So far, the prosecution case basically seems to amount to 1. Look at her SS record and 2. The defendants went on the run. That is then salted with experts saying it was cold, co-sleeping isn't recommended, and tents aren't great places to live in with newborn babies.

"What experience do you have looking after babies?" would be a great question to ask her, whether it comes from the defence, the crown, the judge, or a juror.

At this stage, it's hard to take a view on what jurors might be thinking, for those of us who haven't been observing the case live.
 
Yes, I somewhat agree she genuinely doesn't think she did anything wrong. She may seem articulate to some, but today she strikes me as immature? Sounds like she thinks 'love' is some magical force that overrides basic survival needs. Based on the evidence so far, Victoria had few (if any) of her basic needs met, but she was 'so loved' and that's all that matters apparently?

I don't believe the evidence we've seen shows any real love for Victoria. Just a love of defiance.
& IMO trauma from SS ? Possibly leading to delusion ? Interactions w MG fascinating. Trying to find the words for what came across ? Defiance? Arrogance? Lack of self awareness ? Lack of respect for the judge - ie not acknowledging his request ? Having a sleep? Standing up w his belt undone ? Talking out loud at one stage ? He had a large salmon pink pillow case or some sort of laundry bag jam packed full of papers ..
 
Re the falling out with the family. I’ve read several reports and I think she had fallen out with one particular family member and cut ties what that one person.

From Argus
Marten said: "I was trying to flee my family. I had spoken out about a childhood traumatic event against one of my family members and also the sale of my grandmother’s estate.

"Her will was gotten rid of [sic] and they used a letter of wishes to get rid of her estate, which was against her wishes. I started speaking out about it.
I've no idea what she's talking about, but I wouldn't be surprised if 20 or so people know and "simply everybody, darling" thinks they know.

She is being allowed to get away with so much non-specific language it's almost unreal. It's not clear for example whether she believes a crime such as fraud or forgery was committed.

Interestingly she named two private investigator firms but AFAIAA no newspaper has repeated their names, although none seem to have had a problem naming Lidl, Sainsbury, Metro, or Texaco.

Kroll? Control Risks?

The trust fund payments were sent by Hoares, one of the oldest privately-owned banks in the world.


It is just possible she's sending a message.
 
The first thing her solicitor would think of when she told him about the nannying would be "Can we call the families as witnesses to establish she has a record of being sensible and reliable where children are concerned?"

One might speculate that the families are a trifle landed, very aware of the social pecking order, and loath to annoy Society, rock the boat, or condone breakouts, etc. - but that is complete speculation, so who knows? Perhaps they're not like that at all. Let's hope they're called.

The prosecution might possibly be interested in certain questions relating to the nannying too, under the heading of "Were there any problems?" How long did she last? Did they give her references? The arrangements may have been informal, but why not ask?

So far, the prosecution case basically seems to amount to 1. Look at her SS record and 2. The defendants went on the run. That is then salted with experts saying it was cold, co-sleeping isn't recommended, and tents aren't great places to live in with newborn babies.

"What experience do you have looking after babies?" would be a great question to ask her, whether it comes from the defence, the crown, the judge, or a juror.

At this stage, it's hard to take a view on what jurors might be thinking, for those of us who haven't been observing the case live.
The jurors seemed to have had a lot of questions JMO
.. at one point the clerk was up and down taking frequen notes questions jurors had written on pieces of paper to the judge.
Mixed jury ofc counted more men than women.
 
& IMO trauma from SS ? Possibly leading to delusion ? Interactions w MG fascinating. Trying to find the words for what came across ? Defiance? Arrogance? Lack of self awareness ? Lack of respect for the judge - ie not acknowledging his request ? Having a sleep? Standing up w his belt undone ? Talking out loud at one stage ? He had a large salmon pink pillow case or some sort of laundry bag jam packed full of papers ..
What? Do you have a source? I seem to have missed the belt bit and the pillowcase !
 
I've no idea what she's talking about, but I wouldn't be surprised if 20 or so people know and "simply everybody, darling" thinks they know.

She is being allowed to get away with so much non-specific language it's almost unreal. It's not clear for example whether she believes a crime such as fraud or forgery was committed.

Interestingly she named two private investigator firms but AFAIAA no newspaper has repeated their names, although none seem to have had a problem naming Lidl, Sainsbury, Metro, or Texaco.

Kroll? Control Risks?

The trust fund payments were sent by Hoares, one of the oldest privately-owned banks in the world.


It is just possible she's sending a message.
Was it not two separate Trusts? The Hoare Trust and the Sturt Trust?

ETA the monthly payment was from the Sturt Trust according to this. Aristocrat had thousands paid into her bank account before going on the run

I can now find no reference to the trust payment in early January. Can anyone point me in the right direction?
 
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Marten feared she would never get her other children back after baby’s death, court told​

The mother told the court she and Gordon had “a thousand different thoughts” going through their heads after Victoria died.
She told jurors she held the newborn for several hours before saying some “parting words” to her daughter, who she wrapped in a black headscarf and placed in a bag for life.

“I immediately panicked and thought I just don’t know what to do they are going to have a field day with this – the media, the press, social services…because she was in my care and she’s not alive,” she said.

“I panicked and thought how am I going to get my other four kids back now that Victoria’s passed away.”




Unbelievable. Her 5th baby is dead under her care but instead of remorse and instead of the realization that her children are likely safer apart from her, she is thinking about how to get her “possessions” back under the circumstances. JMO. No self-awareness.
 
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