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  1. Songbird1973

    Found Deceased OK, Veronica Butler 27 & Jilian Kelley 39, Vehicle Abandoned, Texas County, 30 Mar 2024 #5 *Arrests*

    In Oklahoma, a landowner owns all surface, or runoff water (ie. from rain) on their land and can do what they want with it. The "dams" in the area where the bodies were buried are very small and only collect surface water. They are not placed across a "definite stream", which is defined as...
  2. Songbird1973

    Found Deceased OK, Veronica Butler 27 & Jilian Kelley 39, Vehicle Abandoned, Texas County, 30 Mar 2024 #4 *Arrests*

    THANK YOU for bringing this up. Context is HUGE here. Some examples from my own experience: So the farming community I live in mostly consists of people who value a peaceful, law-abiding life. (Or at least giving off that appearance.) Public conversations and interactions are generally quiet and...
  3. Songbird1973

    Found Deceased OK, Veronica Butler 27 & Jilian Kelley 39, Vehicle Abandoned, Texas County, 30 Mar 2024 #4 *Arrests*

    I'm behind so maybe this has already been discussed downstream, but I'd like to leave a few points on this question, just to clarify, not that it makes a difference. 1. To people who's homes may be 10-15 miles down a gravel road and who's nearest neighbor may be 2 or 3 miles away, an...
  4. Songbird1973

    OK OK, Veronica Butler 27 & Jilian Kelley 39, Vehicle Abandoned, Texas County, 30 Mar 2024 #2 *Arrests*

    I believe KSN is incorrect about Yarbrough School being in this image. This view is taken from the west side of Highway 96, looking east down L road. Yarbrough School is north of this intersection on Hwy 96.
  5. Songbird1973

    OK OK, Veronica Butler 27 & Jilian Kelley 39, Vehicle Abandoned, Texas County, 30 Mar 2024 #2 *Arrests*

    MOO... I think this is a possible scenario, if I'm correct about the location of the blue Kia. Someone could have been waiting on L road where the yellow blob is on my map. When they saw the blue Kia coming from the north (solid red line) they could have pulled out in front of them and blocked...
  6. Songbird1973

    OK OK, Veronica Butler 27 & Jilian Kelley 39, Vehicle Abandoned, Texas County, 30 Mar 2024

    Yes you are so right about the page I linked being one sided. It was the best I could do, not having access to the now blocked original court order regarding the 4 Corners meet up place.
  7. Songbird1973

    OK OK, Veronica Butler 27 & Jilian Kelley 39, Vehicle Abandoned, Texas County, 30 Mar 2024

    VB is originally from the panhandle, having graduated from Yarbrough school. (Many previous MSM quotes.) The avaliable court documents state that during the custody battle, VB moved from OK to KS, back to OK, then to CO, and on to KS again...
  8. Songbird1973

    OK OK, Veronica Butler 27 & Jilian Kelley 39, Vehicle Abandoned, Texas County, 30 Mar 2024

    I've read two different locations: One mile south of Yorbrough Schools (which is about where this pin is); and the other is "near Hwy 95 and Rd L" (which is several more miles south, at a correction line jog in the road.)...
  9. Songbird1973

    PA - Rebekah Byler, 23, mother & six months pregnant, murdered, Crawford County, 26 Feb 2024 *Arrest*

    Sometimes ex-Amish family members take photos of their Amish relatives. Linda had an ex-Amish aunt who likely took the picture we later saw of Linda. It's was released to the public because Linda was missing. There could be photos of Rebekah in existence too, but there was no need to release any...
  10. Songbird1973

    PA - Rebekah Byler, 23, mother & six months pregnant, murdered, Crawford County, 26 Feb 2024 *Arrest*

    https://www.thecorryjournal.com/news/article_f1fd80c2-e574-11ee-ae82-f7b8d00e3c85.html This article has very interesting details from witness testimony at the preliminary hearing. Video evidence: Cranston took the red jeep through the car wash and vacuumed his floor mats and shoes around 1:40...
  11. Songbird1973

    PA - Rebekah Byler, 23, mother & six months pregnant, murdered, Crawford County, 26 Feb 2024 *Arrest*

    I think these are some very good theories. Some addition opinions of my own: Many news articles say that Rebekah was laying "a short way inside the front door." So possibly even blocking it. SC may have entered or exited the front door. But he could also have entered and/or exited the side...
  12. Songbird1973

    PA - Rebekah Byler, 23, mother & six months pregnant, murdered, Crawford County, 26 Feb 2024 *Arrest*

    Re: FRONT DOOR On the covered porch in the drawing above, the double green "V" marks are the double front patio-style doors which open into the living room, where Rebekah was found (presumably near the square labeled "Rug") The green "V" between the covered porch and the laundry room is a side...
  13. Songbird1973

    PA - Rebekah Byler, 23, mother & six months pregnant, murdered, Crawford County, 26 Feb 2024 *Arrest*

    This is my own interpretation of the possible layout of Rebekah Byler's home. It is based on the photos found here: https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/21845-Fish-Flats-Rd_Spartansburg_PA_16434_M46398-17184 Image not to scale.
  14. Songbird1973

    PA - Rebekah Byler, 23, mother & six months pregnant, murdered, Crawford County, 26 Feb 2024 *Arrest*

    I've been thinking about the "scalping type" wounds to Rebekah's head. We know from the clothes on the line that Rebekah had been up and about the morning she was killed, and by that time would have had her head covering/bonnet on. So how did she have knife wounds on her head if it was mostly...
  15. Songbird1973

    PA - Rebekah Byler, 23, mother & six months pregnant, murdered, Crawford County, 26 Feb 2024 *Arrest*

    Those are crime scene photos after the murder. There are vehicles everywhere! LE, county attorney or coroner, crime lab trailers....
  16. Songbird1973

    PA - Rebekah Byler, 23, mother & six months pregnant, murdered, Crawford County, 26 Feb 2024 *Arrest*

    I think we can be confident that they are Amish. The police refer to them as Amish. The neighbors refer to them as Amish. The community business owners have referred to them as Amish. The dresses on the clothesline are solid color fabric, which Mennonites sometimes wear. but most Amish only wear...
  17. Songbird1973

    PA - Rebekah Byler, 23, mother & six months pregnant, murdered, Crawford County, 26 Feb 2024 *Arrest*

    BBM Many people are familiar with Amish reluctance or refusal to become involved in court cases. However, the biggest issue is they believe they should not "take" someone to court, as in civil cases over money, possessions, etc. Murder is different, because it's the State taking the accused to...
  18. Songbird1973

    PA - Rebekah Byler, 23, mother & six months pregnant, murdered, Crawford County, 26 Feb 2024 *Arrest*

    I'm guessing the intended word was "decedant" ie. person who is deceased, as it refers to Rebekah Byler and her unborn baby.
  19. Songbird1973

    PA - Rebekah Byler, 23, mother & six months pregnant, murdered, Crawford County, 26 Feb 2024 *Arrest*

    In thinking about Rebekah's possible time of death, it looks like she had started or maybe even finished her "Monday laundry" job that morning before she was murdered. In this picture (open it up) I see 3 women's dresses, 4 toddler dresses, 2 men's shirts, 4 toddler shirts, and assorted whites...

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