WOW, the things that you all have compiled are absolutely amazing.
Someone mentioned Ray Gricar and my heart STOPPED for a second, I rushed and stared at the pics, it is not him, but for a minute I was freakin!!!! Those of you who do not know, that is the case that brought me to WS. Ray Gricar helped my family once.
OK....back on topic:
As mentioned, I printed and read this entire thread, taking notes, getting caught up.To this point.
I want to address a few things that I have read. I was going to do a summary of the entire case, but I
have taken notes and have lots of questions, comments.
1st, I detect a bit of mistrust between some posters and your only contact with Mr Kyle right now, Betty (the nurse).
Some of it is understandable (only because of 'who we are and where we come from'), IMO, some is a bit over the top. I want to ease everyone's mind and tell you that I have spoke to her on quite a few occassions and she is sincere, caring, and wanting to only help him.
What I think you all do not realize is she (Betty the nurse) just met Mr Kyle in March of this year. When she met him she had deep feeling he was not the 'vagabond' (sp?) he was labeled, it was obvious...it is also obvious to me from my research and I can see where she is coming from. So, Betty and Mr Kyle's paths cross, Betty takes notice, she decides to help this man, because HE wants so badly to discover his identity. ( could you imagine on of us coming across this man who doesn't know who he is?????) Betty is just like us, she is wanting to help him, she had NO idea about the missing, UID, problems w/no help/and lack of education in LE on how to deal with such cases.
This woman has spent countless hours researching, she didn't even know what date he had been found back in March/April... trying to figure out what to do, how to help, trying to get people to listen. Well, let's listen and let's ask instead of assuming...k?
They are reading here, Mr Kyle is seeing everything you all are saying...I understand, we are investigators, but let's be sensitive, k?
Some of you are not used to dealing directly with the 'family'and most of us don't get to deal with the survivor directly. If there are things that NEED to be mentioned/questioned, that may 'hurt' feelings of those reading, please, keep it in PM...there is always work
being done behind the scenes..there is a solid group here, you all know how to commincate privately when needed. This is an odd case.
I ask everyone to be polite and considerate because we do have parties involved here, which is a blessing and huge advantage.
Okie dokies..notes
8/31/04, Found behind BK, next 2 dumptser, US17, Richmond Hill, Savannah (US INT 8 Exit 87)
Markings, scar across front neck, 2 scars on elbow.
5'11", 240, large frame, brown hair, blue/green eyes.
From what I can gather and what has been mentioned he is well mannered, has knowlege of restaurant bldgs, supplies and equipment. Seems to know a lot about buildings in general.
Memories: Indiana, Colorado, 3 Brothers, name of Benjaman spelling, catholic school (I haven't verified this, where did this come from?)
Possibles (One I couldn't find ellimated or follow up on):
AJ1020 suggested Thomas Ray James, MI. What happened with this?
also, Timothy A Felton??
MaconChange posted Steve Dewey...need to discuss with Betty and Mr Kyle more to see why
they are so sure it's not him. I know for us it's easy to think it is him. But he knows what he looks like...hard for us to understand.
kaylenbabysims suggested Ronald Zellmer, kaylen? Anymore research on this?
SS-you suggested missing boater John Nance? Anything?
Dimples-you found an article about "Found Car Intesifies Search for Man"...what happened with that?
You also posted an Eric Peterson?
Mark Franzeo/CP- you all discussed a William Herbert Pear....anything?
Satemplet-Gary David Poole?
sweetpea-Larry Huff?
ShowerSinger-Kevin Muca?
KT Can-Jerry or Gerald Harlean (sp? my notes are getting sloppy
Sable-Eugene Fish?
Here are some questions I have on what has been discussed vs done:
SS-You said you would send info to Arch Dios. and info to local stations in Tulsa and OKC. Has this been done, can you copy us the emails please?
lymom3 suggested contacting today show, anyone do this yet? Please post correspondence if so?
aj1020 suggested contacting the Early Show, GMA and Today show....done? Please post correspondence if so?
Dottierainbow-you sent links to John Scoot, Wish TV....have you followed up? Can you post your correspondence?
Has
anyone sent his story to WTHR or WRTV as discussed?
Oneshoe-you stated WSAV Rep said NBC/CNN picked up, can you follow up on this, please copy us will all correspondence?
MaconChange-you stated you talked with Savannah Now, Savannah PD, Richmond Hill PD, and FBI...can you please give us details ofthese conversations, including dates, whom you spoke with and a good summary of discussion?
Dimples-what happened with the MySpace incident, the final outcome?
DNA-FBI took Kyle's FINGERPRINTS and ran them in National Criminal Justice Info Serv Div. This is NOT GOOD ENOUGH.
He should have his DNA taken and entered into CODIS. I have already spoke to Betty and will have this arranged at no cost to Mr Kyle.
Mr Kyle's DNA will be taken and entered in CODIS, once this is done it will run against the following indexes:
the Convicted Offender Index, Forensic Index, Arrestee Index, a Missing or Unidentified Persons Index, and a Missing Persons Reference Index.
The NE article- I know this is hitting some nerves here, HOWEVER, come on peeps....2 mill viewers..NE is not what it used to be. I think
the exposure is incredible, IMO, FWIW, and I give kudos to Benjaman and Betty for agreeing to do this story. 2 million viewers, this man is
50+, someone, somewhere, knows who is is. This is an incredible opportunity for exposure. I am onboard with it and will need volunteers to
help me weed through tips that come from the article running.
christine@lightingthewayhome.org Subject Volunteer for NE article. (we will have volunteers set up to weed through then send on to more exp. volunteers (former LE) to weed through more, then on to LE/FBI whoever if tip is credible to get to that point, if that makes sense!)
Ideas that I have run across in thread that I think are good and should be pursued:
Getting Mr Kyle listed on every site possible!
SusieQ mentioned researching accidents/incidents presumed dead.
Gina M mentioned You Tube Video-I think a slideshow has been done..but I think a good video of him and story if possible (I dont' know how
to do this)
KT Can mentioned maybe he was on business trip...investigating local big businesses (we could send out emails/flyers to all)
I see you all have divided states, I say keep going, state by state, then go out to Canada then further. Great work and organization there, kudos!
The 20 yr gap has me too, need to research this more with Betty and Mr. Kyle.
I think we need extensive mapping done of the area he was found.
OK...you all have a lot of questions about his medical care....I will answer what I can by what I saw posted, if you already knew, I apologize in advance:
Tattoos-NO
Dental Work-I can't find my notes on this!!!! I know it was discussed, will come back to this.
Here is the info on when he was first discovered:
Upon admission, the ER doctor reported him as appearing as a well-developed and well-nourished middle-aged man (not a bum), although he had depressed neurological reflexes (which is not a positive finding) and rapid heartbeat. His liver function was normal, alcohol and drug screen was negative, his condition on admission was considered serious per the ER doctor's report. He was sent up to the Neuro. A CT scan of the head was normal except for several small lacunes (depressions) in the right cerebellar
hemisphere. Perhaps a closed-head injury? The attending doctor states in his report that Mr. Kyle's labs are "surprisingly within normal limits" - probably because this is not the case for homeless people by the time they reach middle age - they would usually have bad liver damage by then and very poor nutrition. Mr. Kyle's lab tests alone are indicative of one who had practiced a healthy lifestyle right up to the time of his attack. He presently has very good to excellent health and needs no prescription or over-the-counter drugs to maintain this favorable state of health.
I have a couple of questions to ask from all of you...if they have been answered, please let me know and I will remove them from
my list:
Tan lines, glasses, beard/facial hair growth at time of discovery?
Photos when found?
Anymore you all would like me to inquire about?
Any questions I may be able to answer?
I think the key here is keep searching the missing and group together to get more exposure.
PHEW!