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Again...Ronald did not spend money on the ring (heirloom passed down), truck (show me where he went and bought it with donated money), and he did not pay for the tats as they were a gift from two other people directly to the artist for Ronald. I don't believe the wedding looked to be very much of an expense either plus the bride's family would have paid for it anyway...not the groom.Relocating can be expensive, especially if you don't have much to start with. It appears Crystal is trying to be proactive in finding her daughter, setting up headquarters and all.
Maybe it's not right, but honestly I'd rather see money go to the support of an innocent baby (Chloe) than on trucks, weddings, rings, tats, etc......
In response from prior thread:
On page 45 of the transcript the Magistrate clearly says that he does not have the arrest records of the parties before him. The only records that were produced were those of Crystals mother and these were brought by RC.
Yes, it is highly unusual to not have records prior to making a decision like this. That was kind of my point. This hearing was a travesty.
Ron also admits he did not return the children when he came back. He had not been awarded custody and he did not return them as agreed. Just because Crystal didn't know how to properly articulate that doesn't mean it's not the truth. On page 5 Ron says he just kept them with him. On page 18 Crystal talks about going to court and attempting to get an injunction. She is terrible at communicating but the gist of it seems to be that Ron kept the kids, stopped answering his phone or comunicating with her and wouldn't let her see or talk to them. Once she tried to get an injunction he would only let her see and talk to them if she dropped the injunction which she says she did so he would let here see the kids. This obviously makes little sense from a legal perspective but I don't get the sense she has a very keen awareness of domestic relations law. So, I'm not sure whether she is seriously misinformed about the law or just was cowed by Ron or whatever but he clearly took advantage of the situaiton and was awarded custody when, apparently, she did not receive notice of the first hearing. On page 19 she also says she asked him to bring the children back but that she couldn't make him do it.
I still do not see where Crystal admitted to doing cocaine while pregnant as you say she did so perhaps you can point that out.
Although you say all your claims are backed up by proof you do not point to any sources to substantiate that Crystal has made false reports to LE. Again, that is a serious matter and I think when referenced the source should be linked to.
As far as what Crystals attorney alleges I have no idea about that. I was only speaking for myself and do not feel responsible for the allegations of another person who I clearly don't know and have never spoken to. I was referring to allegations you have made here, on this site which are not linked to sources. You say your info can be verified and so I would like to review that verification as so far I have found Crystals statemments and behavior both at the custody hearing and in regard to this situation to be consistent and truthful. If that is not the case I would like to know that so I can revise my opinion accordingly.
In general I look at these things with a bias towards facts. Facts can be inconvienient things but also tend to be a useful tool for getting at the truth, which is the only thing most of us are interested in so that Haleigh can be found. The truth seems to be one things sorely lacking in this investigation and ferreting it out seems to be the key.
No disrespect intended, but we have repeatedly linked to the court documents showing where Crystal was charged with filing 2 false reports with LE. If you do a search on this site, I am certain you can find them or you can find them by searching the court documents as this is where we found them.
On Geraldo, Crystal said she was pregnant and when she then decided she had to stop using cocaine. She contended this is why a fight ensued between she and Ronald where she alleges he abused her physically when she told him they had to both stop using cocaine. I would say you need to view the replay of the show which should be able to be found on our media thread. (If not, please use the search as it is located somewhere on the site in the Geraldo thread for that particular date.)
If there was no legal paperwork between Ronald and Crystal drawn up and filed in court before he decided not to return the children...then it is my understanding he did nothing wrong in keeping them with no order in place. At that point, custody was joint and had not been established. What is the old saying? Possession is 9/10s of the law?
In response from prior thread:
On page 45 of the transcript the Magistrate clearly says that he does not have the arrest records of the parties before him. The only records that were produced were those of Crystals mother and these were brought by RC.
Yes, it is highly unusual to not have records prior to making a decision like this. That was kind of my point. This hearing was a travesty.
Ron also admits he did not return the children when he came back. He had not been awarded custody and he did not return them as agreed. Just because Crystal didn't know how to properly articulate that doesn't mean it's not the truth. On page 5 Ron says he just kept them with him. On page 18 Crystal talks about going to court and attempting to get an injunction. She is terrible at communicating but the gist of it seems to be that Ron kept the kids, stopped answering his phone or comunicating with her and wouldn't let her see or talk to them. Once she tried to get an injunction he would only let her see and talk to them if she dropped the injunction which she says she did so he would let here see the kids. This obviously makes little sense from a legal perspective but I don't get the sense she has a very keen awareness of domestic relations law. So, I'm not sure whether she is seriously misinformed about the law or just was cowed by Ron or whatever but he clearly took advantage of the situaiton and was awarded custody when, apparently, she did not receive notice of the first hearing. On page 19 she also says she asked him to bring the children back but that she couldn't make him do it.
I still do not see where Crystal admitted to doing cocaine while pregnant as you say she did so perhaps you can point that out.
Although you say all your claims are backed up by proof you do not point to any sources to substantiate that Crystal has made false reports to LE. Again, that is a serious matter and I think when referenced the source should be linked to.
As far as what Crystals attorney alleges I have no idea about that. I was only speaking for myself and do not feel responsible for the allegations of another person who I clearly don't know and have never spoken to. I was referring to allegations you have made here, on this site which are not linked to sources. You say your info can be verified and so I would like to review that verification as so far I have found Crystals statemments and behavior both at the custody hearing and in regard to this situation to be consistent and truthful. If that is not the case I would like to know that so I can revise my opinion accordingly.
In general I look at these things with a bias towards facts. Facts can be inconvienient things but also tend to be a useful tool for getting at the truth, which is the only thing most of us are interested in so that Haleigh can be found. The truth seems to be one things sorely lacking in this investigation and ferreting it out seems to be the key.
In response from prior thread:
On page 45 of the transcript the Magistrate clearly says that he does not have the arrest records of the parties before him. The only records that were produced were those of Crystals mother and these were brought by RC.
Yes, it is highly unusual to not have records prior to making a decision like this. That was kind of my point. This hearing was a travesty.
Ron also admits he did not return the children when he came back. He had not been awarded custody and he did not return them as agreed. Just because Crystal didn't know how to properly articulate that doesn't mean it's not the truth. On page 5 Ron says he just kept them with him. On page 18 Crystal talks about going to court and attempting to get an injunction. She is terrible at communicating but the gist of it seems to be that Ron kept the kids, stopped answering his phone or comunicating with her and wouldn't let her see or talk to them. Once she tried to get an injunction he would only let her see and talk to them if she dropped the injunction which she says she did so he would let here see the kids. This obviously makes little sense from a legal perspective but I don't get the sense she has a very keen awareness of domestic relations law. So, I'm not sure whether she is seriously misinformed about the law or just was cowed by Ron or whatever but he clearly took advantage of the situaiton and was awarded custody when, apparently, she did not receive notice of the first hearing. On page 19 she also says she asked him to bring the children back but that she couldn't make him do it.
I still do not see where Crystal admitted to doing cocaine while pregnant as you say she did so perhaps you can point that out.
Although you say all your claims are backed up by proof you do not point to any sources to substantiate that Crystal has made false reports to LE. Again, that is a serious matter and I think when referenced the source should be linked to.
As far as what Crystals attorney alleges I have no idea about that. I was only speaking for myself and do not feel responsible for the allegations of another person who I clearly don't know and have never spoken to. I was referring to allegations you have made here, on this site which are not linked to sources. You say your info can be verified and so I would like to review that verification as so far I have found Crystals statemments and behavior both at the custody hearing and in regard to this situation to be consistent and truthful. If that is not the case I would like to know that so I can revise my opinion accordingly.
In general I look at these things with a bias towards facts. Facts can be inconvienient things but also tend to be a useful tool for getting at the truth, which is the only thing most of us are interested in so that Haleigh can be found. The truth seems to be one things sorely lacking in this investigation and ferreting it out seems to be the key.
It was an awfully strong armed tactic, SeriouslySearching. He didn't just refuse to return the kids. He took them out of the country to Mexico. They were babies--weird.
It was an awfully strong armed tactic, SeriouslySearching. He didn't just refuse to return the kids. He took them out of the country to Mexico. They were babies--weird.
Ron ended up with custody and now Haleigh is nowhere to be found. Another child is still around. If his mother who gave birth to him thinks she needs custody I'm not going to belittle her especially with all the inconsistencies and news about the blue van. It's obvious that Crystal had nothing to do with the disappearance.
...I agree.....I also understand about Crystal being silent for so long...she was abused...she was a teenager..she was controlled...I can totally understand,because I've been through it.Only I did not have children.But I can only imagine,starting new,having to sacrifice your children.Only now she has support and is able to speak.
Misty is next.I feel like she's covering for RC.Why else would his whole family stand behind her without doubt?
I want to know the details of every hour in the seven hours it took Crystal to arrive at Green Lane after she got the call that her daughter was missing.
Where was her "sense of urgency"?
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It's pretty clear on how Ron talks to Misty in that 911 call that he is explosive.
A disingenuous description of the time it took her to get there. I sure would love to see the link that details the exact time she got there, because as far as I know, the only thing she hesitated on was the initial call and thinking it had to be a hoax. Seems to me she's had experience with being lied to by the Cummings clan before. But once she got confirmation from her father, I have not seen one notation which states what time she arrived in Satsuma. It would be great if you have that information with a link that you could clear it up for me. Thanks.
I want to know the details of every hour in the seven hours it took Crystal to arrive at Green Lane after she got the call that her daughter was missing.
Where was her "sense of urgency"?
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The locals confirmed what time she got the initial call, confirmation from her dad, and then arrived in Satsuma.
It's my understanding that we're not allowed to post or quote things said in the members only section. Correct me if I'm wrong, please.
But you will have to look "downstairs" for that information.