- At least one package of size 12-14, “Days of the week,” underwear was purchased by PR at Bloomingdale’s during a trip to New York in November 1996.These were to be a gift for PR’s niece Jenny Davis.Jenny is described by JR as follows:
A. She's either a junior or a senior in high school now. And she's fairly stocky.
John Ramsey, 2000 interview
- Jenny was 11 or 12 years old in late 1996, PR’s description below:
A. I don't know. Probably -- I don't know. She is older than JonBenet, but I don't know exactly how old she was. Q. Would these panties, size wise, be more appropriate for -- is she an older girl?
A. Yes.
Q. And I assume a larger girl?
A. Well, at that time, no, not -- I mean, she is not -- I mean, today she is a young woman, but then she was a little girl.
Q. How old is she now?
A. She is now 15, I believe.
Q. So she would have been about 12 or somewhere --
A. 11.
Q. -- 11, 12?
A. Yeah.
Patsy Ramsey interview August 28, 2000
- The “Wednesday” panty from the set of size 12-14 Bloomingdale’s panties was what was found on the body of JBR when they examined her at the autopsy.There is no question, whatsoever, that she was wearing those particular panties. The evidence is as follows:
This warrant for arrest is issued upon affidavit sworn to and affirmed before this court and relating facts sufficient to establish probable cause that the above-named offense has been committed and probable cause that the person named in ths warrant committed that offense.
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Repeatedly throughout ths telephone conversation DAXIS referred to the underwear worn by JonBenet as "her knickers".
DAXIS advised Michael Tracey that he removed the "knickers" from JonBenet and took the item with him after he left the Ramsey residence by way of the same point that he entered into the home. DAXIS added he placed underwear or "knickers" onto JonBenet that he brought with him. The underwear brought by DAXIS was several sizes too large for JonBenet. DAXIS mentioned that the oversized underwear also bore the day of "Wednesday". It should be noted that at the time of discovery JonBenet Ramsey at the lower level of her residence, she was in fact attired in light colored pajamas and oversized underwear designed for a twelve to fourteen year old female. The underwear bore the day name of "Wednesday". The telephone call between Michael Tracey and DAXIS was recorded by way of an audiocassette-recording device
Warrant for Arrest upon Affidavit, August 15, 2006 (re: John Mark Karr)
Q. JonBenet was found wearing the Wednesday Bloomi's underpants, and your understanding is correct, that is a fact, you can accept that as a fact, when she was found murdered. Those underpants do not fit her. Were you aware of that?
MR. WOOD: Are you stating that as a matter of fact --
MR. LEVIN: I'm stating that as a matter --
MR. WOOD: - for a six-year-old child?
MR. LEVIN: I am stating that as a matter of fact.
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Q. (By Mr. Kane) Okay. Were you aware that these were the size of panties that she was wearing, and this has been publicized, it is out in the open, that they were size 12 to 14? Were you aware of that?
A. I have become aware of that, yes.
Patsy Ramsey interview August 28, 2000
- There is no doubt that Patsy bought at least one package of size 12 – 14, “Days of the week” underwear at Bloomingdale’s in November, 1996.
A. I have heard that she had on a pair of Bloomi's that said Wednesday on them.
Q. The underwear that she was wearing, that is Bloomi's panties, do you know where they come from as far as what store?
A. Bloomingdale’s in New York.
Q. Who purchased those?
A. I did.
Q. Do you recall when you purchased them?
A. It was, I think, November of '96.
Patsy Ramsey interview August 28, 2000
- Patsy claimed that it was JonBenet’s idea to purchase them:
A. I believe so.
Q. Was it your intention, when you purchased those, for those to be for her, not for some third party as a gift?
A. I bought some things that were gifts and some things for her. So I don't --
Q. Just so I am clear, though, it is your best recollection that the purchase of the underpants, the Bloomi's days of the week, was something that you bought for her, whether it was just I am buying underwear for my kids or these are special, here's a present, that doesn't matter, but it was your intention that she would wear those?
A. Well, I think that I bought a package of the -- they came in a package of Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday. I think I bought a package to give to my niece.
Q. Which niece was that?
A. Jenny Davis.
Patsy Ramsey interview August 28, 2000
- PR claimed that she was going to give them as part of a gift to Jenny, but for somehow ended up keeping them for JBR instead:
THE WITNESS: Right.
MS. HARMER: And they ended up in JonBenet's bathroom?
A. Right.
Q. (By Ms. Harmer) Was there - I'm sorry. Do you recall making a decision then not to give them to Jenny or did JonBenet express an interest in them; therefore, you didn't give them to Jenny? How did that --
A. I can't say for sure. I mean, I think I bought them with the intention of sending them in a package of Christmas things to Atlanta. Obviously I didn't get that together, so I just put them in her, her panty drawer. So they were free game.
Patsy Ramsey interview August 28, 2000
- According to PR, JBR opened the package and put them on:
A. I am sure that I put the package of underwear in her bathroom, and she opened them and put them on.
Patsy Ramsey interview August 28, 2000
- PR would never admit to ever dressing her in the large panties.
And I am not saying --
THE WITNESS: They were just in her panty drawer, so I don't, you know, I don't pay attention. I mean, I just put all of her clean panties in a drawer and she can help herself to whatever is in there.
Patsy Ramsey interview August 28, 2000
- PR further claimed that the size difference was minimal, and had no problem with JBR wearing the oversized panties:
had come to your attention –
A. Well, obviously we, you know, the package had been opened, we made the decision, you know, oh, just go ahead and use them because, you know, we weren't going to give them to Jenny after all, I guess, so. I mean, if you have ever seen these little panties, there is not too much difference in the size. So, you know, I'm sure even if they were a little bit big, they were special because we got them up there, she wanted to wear them, and they didn't fall down around her ankles, that was fine with me.
Patsy Ramsey interview August 28, 2000
- Despite the fact that only size 4-6 panties were found in JBR’s panty drawer, PR claimed that JBR normally would wear size 8-10.
A. I have become aware of that, yes.
Q. And how did you become aware of that?
A. Something I read, I am sure.
Q. And I will just state a fact here. I mean, there were 15 pairs of panties taken out of, by the police, out of JonBenet's panty drawer in her bathroom. Is that where she kept -
A. Uh-huh (affirmative).
Q. -- where you were describing that they were just put in that drawer?
A. Yes.
Q. Okay. And every one of those was either a size four or a size six. Okay?
Would that have been about the size pair of panties that she wore when she was six years old?
A. I would say more like six to eight. There were probably some in there that were too small.
Q. Okay. But not size 12 to 14?
A. Not typically, no.
MR. KANE: Okay.
Q. (By Mr. Morrissey) And you understand the reason we are asking this, we want to make sure that this intruder did not bring these panties with him, this was something --
A. Right.
Q. - that was in the house.
A. Yes.
Q. And we are clear that, as far as you know, that is something that was in this house?
A. Yes.
Q. -- that belonged to your daughter, these panties?
A. Correct.
Patsy Ramsey interview August 28, 2000
- PR also downplayed the difference in size between Jenny and JonBenet.
A. No.
Q. Knowing yourself as you do, if it was, if it had caught your attention or came to your attention, do you think you might have said, JonBenet, you should, those don't fit, put something on that fits, that is inappropriate? Do you think, if it came,
had come to your attention –
A. Well, obviously we, you know, the package had been opened, we made the decision, you know, oh, just go ahead and use them because, you know, we weren't going to give them to Jenny after all, I guess, so. I mean, if you have ever seen these little panties, there is not too much difference in the size. So, you know, I'm sure even if they were a little bit big, they were special because we got them up there, she wanted to wear them, and they didn't fall down around her ankles, that was fine with me.
MR. MORRISSEY: Did you ever see if they fell down around her ankles or not?
THE WITNESS: No.
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Q. (By Mr. Morrissey) At the time, how old was Jenny?
A. I don't know. Probably -- I don't know. She is older than JonBenet, but I don't know exactly how old she was.
Q. Would these panties, size wise, be more appropriate for -- is she an older girl?
A. Yes.
Q. And I assume a larger girl?
A. Well, at that time, no, not -- I mean, she is not -- I mean, today she is a young woman, but then she was a little girl.
Q. How old is she now?
A. She is now 15 , I believe.
Q. So she would have been about 12 or somewhere --
A. 11.
Q. – 11, 12 ?
A. Yeah.
Q. And based on the, I guess, dimensions that Mr. Levin has talked about, these would have been a size appropriate for her?
A. Uh-huh (affirmative).
Patsy Ramsey interview August 28, 2000
- Is PR telling the truth, or was she caught in a lie? Is the size difference minor as PR seems to suggest?
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Jenny would have stood at least 10 inches taller that JBR, weighed at least 40 pounds more and have hips that were about 6 inches larger.
These are very significant differences and it’s obvious that clothing of any sort for one would be clearly inappropriate for the other.
In children’s sizes we are going from small to large:
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http://www.costumemaniacs.com/cm/sizinginfo.aspx
Over at Forums For Justice, the poster Jayelles purchased from Bloomingdale’s an identical pair of size 4-6 “Days of the week” panties and photographed them alongside a pair of 12-14 panties.
The disparity in size is striking.
My wife purchased size 6, 12 and 14 children’s underwear, and I photographed them.
The brand is Hanes and the difference is similarly striking.
According to Jayelles, her measurements of the Bloomingdale’s panties are:
Size 4/6 - measure 8.5 inches from waistband to crotch and waistband is just under 17 inches unstretched.
Size 12/14 - measure 12 inches from waistband to bottom of crotch and waistband is 22 inches unstretched.
My measurements of the Hanes panties, which are single sized and not range sized as the Bloomingdale’s panties are:
Size 6 - measure 8.75 inches from waistband to crotch and waistband is 17 inches unstretched
Size 12- measure 11.75 inches from waistband to bottom of crotch and waistband is 22 inches unstretched.
Size 14 - measure 12.25 inches from waistband to bottom of crotch and waistband is 23 inches unstretched.
The green/blue Hanes panties are size 6
The orange/purple Hanes panties are size 12
The solid blue Hanes panties are size 14
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http://www.nextdirectory.eu/help/sgchildren.asp
I feel that this confirms the sizing that Jayelles found (taking into consideration the difference in brand and sizing convention.)
For those that do not believe that this is accurate, I would encourage them to purchase these sizes and see for themselves. Seeing is believing.
PR lied at least three times during the course of questioning regarding the oversized panties.
- She tried to say that Jenny was a “little girl” and imply that her panty size would not be terribly dissimilar to JonBenet.
- She tried to say that she commonly bought size 8-10 panties for JBR, thereby making the size 12 – 14 panties seem less unusual
- She tried to say that the size 12 – 14 panties were only “a little bit big”
Finally, for those who have not seen these photos based on a homemade model of the daughter of Jayelles who was age 6 at the time, I will post them here, but it’s well worth looking at the following threads over at Forums For Justice.
[ame="http://www.forumsforjustice.org/forums/showthread.php?t=7128"]Girls Size 12-14 "Bloomies" Modeled On a Six-Year-Old Like JonBenet - Forums For Justice[/ame]
[ame="http://www.forumsforjustice.org/forums/showthread.php?t=7107"]The Gigantic (Girls Size 12-14) "Bloomies" Underwear Found On JonBenet - Forums For Justice[/ame]
These are the physical characteristics of the daughter of Jayelles:
Height 47 inches (same as Jonbenet)
Weight 46 lbs (1lb heavier than Jonbenet)
Chest - 22 inches
Waist - 20 inches
Hips - 23 inches
Thigh - 13 inches
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