GUILTY OH - Steubenville Rape Case, 11 Aug 2012 #1

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LinTX said:
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It wasn't just coincidence, IMO, that Alex Goddard and several commenters on her blog were sued once she started describing what she'd seen online. Even after CS dropped his lawsuit she was called a liar about what she had reported seeing, until Anonymous posted the video. Those files were deleted pretty efficiently and uniformly by a bunch of boys that were stupid enough to upload pics and videos during and within days of the incident...files that were still online when Alex Goddard decided to check into the story behind what the media was reporting at the time.

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Alex deserves a lot of credit for her role in this. It's a shame people were trying to sue her and get private info about posters. It all wreaks of intimidation and covering a crime. I'm glad to see Anonymous was there to help support her.
 
Does only having 5 kids directly involved & a handful within their circle of friends knowing, laughing & taunting minimize the horror, degradation & pain for the victim? Must it be a grand conspiracy involving a police department, county sheriff's department, coaches, school administrators, booster club members, elected city officials extending all the way up to Attorney General's office and a retired judge from Cincinnati?

Are we going to be disappointed if the trial shows JUST a two-person sexual assault with onlookers?
 
Lois Lane said:
BBM

From WTOV9:
Video and more at the link:

http://www.wtov9.com/news/news/superintendent-discusses-rape-investigation-impact/nTr68/

Can I get an interpretation of the portion I bolded?
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"And we're going to support more social media to get them educated with that to be more specific so with that learning point or teaching point, per se, I think we have to be aware that hey, these are situations that can happen."

If all I did was just read the article and the part you bolded, it doesn't make a lot of sense, but listening to it in the video, in context with what was discussed before (and after) it sort of makes sense. He was talking about the issue of 'character education' and expanding the curriculum to include the idea of making good choices. He talked about drawing on other sources and outside resources to help build that part of the curriculum. The idea is, I think, that part of that is learning how to use social media in a responsible way. JMO.
 
LinTX said:
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It only preserves anything if what was on the zip drive didn't disappear - like the video that was somehow destroyed when SPD was recovering info from one of the phones.It wasn't just coincidence, IMO, that Alex Goddard and several commenters on her blog were sued once she started describing what she'd seen online. Even after CS dropped his lawsuit she was called a liar about what she had reported seeing, until Anonymous posted the video. Those files were deleted pretty efficiently and uniformly by a bunch of boys that were stupid enough to upload pics and videos during and within days of the incident...files that were still online when Alex Goddard decided to check into the story behind what the media was reporting at the time.

I don't have a problem at all with the FBI investigating any threats whatsoever. But I do wish they would also investigate some other issues in this case, including exactly how and why evidence was destroyed and the apparent almost incestuous relationships of the public officials charged with the schools, the football program, LE and the justice system. I realize this is a small town that is losing it's economy and it's population is dwindling, and maybe it's just because of that fact that all these people seem to overlap each other in various aspects of the town's business. They stayed local, have experience and there are probably not a lot of options in the number of people both educated enough and willing to serve? I can understand that, but if that's the case, IMO it calls for even more transparency than normal and more sensitivity on their parts as to remaining completely impartial while going about their duties. Instead, I see people who showed very little regard for any of those things until the spotlight was put on them, and at the worst maybe some who did try to manipulate facts and issues in order to protect people other than the victim.
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BBM

Well, yes - partially. If the zip drive only contained the browser address and the content had been already removed - then yes. BUT, if you actually download (copy) the content to your computer and then upload it to the zip drive - then it's always there. I'm hoping that's what they did. I kinda think they did.

I always tell my kids - be careful what you put out there - it will never go away. I have lots of things saved on my computer that have now "disappeared" from the net. Once something is on the net - you never know who (or how many) will actually copy it to their drives and then its theirs - whether you delete it off the web or not.




JMHO
 
hollyjokers said:
She explained at the October hearing the newer iPhone OS make it impossible to retrieve deleted data.
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That's her explanation, but I find it difficult to believe that there is no possible way to get to that stuff. I'm sure that if they asked Apple they would be able to help them unlock the images. I don't think they cared enough to try very hard. JMO
 
hollyjokers said:
Does only having 5 kids directly involved & a handful within their circle of friends knowing, laughing & taunting minimize the horror, degradation & pain for the victim? Must it be a grand conspiracy involving a police department, county sheriff's department, coaches, school administrators, booster club members, elected city officials extending all the way up to Attorney General's office and a retired judge from Cincinnati?

Are we going to be disappointed if the trial shows JUST a two-person sexual assault with onlookers?
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Respectfully, I will be disappointed if the rapists and the onlookers arent punished.

I think the actions of some of the officials that are obligated to protect and serve are troubling for whatever reason. I think that there is good reason to be some what skeptical of Ms Hanlin and the Sheriff as far as I am concerned. Even discarding Anonymous' rant regarding both of them, I find the Sheriffs behavior to be, umm, strange given his experience as a member of LE. I find Ms Hanlin's proximity to the perps and the questions surrounding her son's possible involvement and her home's possible involvement to be very troubling.

I think her role should only be that of a concerned parent and not one of any kind of official capacity. jmvho.
 
She is only a concerned parent now, and has been since August. I'm sure it was not part of her career goals to have familial issues cause her to recuse herself from a case. The defense attorneys are throwing every other excuse out there. Why aren't they crying foul on the investigation or being unfairly scapegoated by the rich white kids with connections?

How many parties were there? I thought 3 had been mentioned. One is in the court record as having been at MC II's house. There was another name that escapes me now b/c it hasn't been in discussion very much who also hosted a party. The 12 minute video was alleged to have been filmed at JH's house.

Sheriff Fred Abdalla has been proven to be a blatant BSer who loves to see himself on tv. I have not lived in that area for 15 years, and I already knew that.
 
Wise Old Owl said:
BBM

Well, yes - partially. If the zip drive only contained the browser address and the content had been already removed - then yes. BUT, if you actually download (copy) the content to your computer and then upload it to the zip drive - then it's always there. I'm hoping that's what they did. I kinda think they did.

I always tell my kids - be careful what you put out there - it will never go away. I have lots of things saved on my computer that have now "disappeared" from the net. Once something is on the net - you never know who (or how many) will actually copy it to their drives and then its theirs - whether you delete it off the web or not.






JMHO
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I was actually suggesting, based on how other files have disappeared, that the actual contents of the zip drive may have somehow been corrupted or lost in the shuffle. Hopefully, whatever they had on there was archived somewhere, just in case...
 
LinTX said:
I was actually suggesting, based on how other files have disappeared, that the actual contents of the zip drive may have somehow been corrupted or lost in the shuffle. Hopefully, whatever they had on there was archived somewhere, just in case...
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Yes-I hoped early on that they copied it. I like to think I would do that-but I dont know if I would just bring it to LE and not think about the possibility that another one would be needed.
 
hollyjokers said:
Does only having 5 kids directly involved & a handful within their circle of friends knowing, laughing & taunting minimize the horror, degradation & pain for the victim? Must it be a grand conspiracy involving a police department, county sheriff's department, coaches, school administrators, booster club members, elected city officials extending all the way up to Attorney General's office and a retired judge from Cincinnati?
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Given the history of this town and its police force, and the public responses so far in this case, I sure don't blame people for not giving LE and other officials the benefit of the doubt. They should be welcoming questions about how this case was handled, not expecting people to simply accept their word and mind their own business. Looks like the town has been in this position more than once.

1997:

The United States brings this action to enforce Section 210401 of the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994, 42 U.S.C. § 14141. The United States alleges that officers of the Steubenville Police Department have engaged in a pattern or practice of conduct that deprives persons of rights, privileges, or immunities secured and protected by the Constitution and the laws of the United States, and that the City of Steubenville, the Steubenville Police Department, and the Steubenville City Manager (in his capacity as Director of Public Safety) have caused and condoned this conduct through inadequate policies and failure to train, monitor, supervise, and discipline police officers, and to investigate alleged misconduct.
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Why Nobody Trusts Steubenville:
http://news.yahoo.com/why-nobody-trusts-steubenville-171732708.html
 
Is there evidence that this Police Chief and the Steubenville Police Department or that this City Manager have violated the Consent Decree that was issued sixteen years ago?
 
i.b.nora said:
Is there evidence that this Police Chief and the Steubenville Police Department or that this City Manager have violated the Consent Decree that was issued sixteen years ago?
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This was only the second time in history that a consent decree like this has been found to be necessary due to a pattern of consistent civil rights violations and police misconduct, including:

excessive use of force, false arrests, false charges, tampering with evidence, false reporting, and political corruption...against the City of Steubenville, the Steubenville Police Department, the City Manager, and the Civil Service Commission.
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(bbm)

I'd say it's a big deal regardless.

There's more at the link below, and an update that provides some interesting info, including the following:

- It wasn't until 2005, that they were found to be compliant with the decree. The quarterly reports until that time note problems with the supervision and discipline of police officers

-It's not like the guard totally changed -- Steubenville's law director and current police chief, for example, were both representing/ on the police force prior to the consent decree.

http://trialready.wordpress.com/201...found-steubenville-police-misconduct-in-1997/
 
Also, note the comment under the blog article I posted above from Steubenville attorney Richard Olivito, who was involved with the police misconduct investigation and who suggests that this information is all relevant to the current case. He also draws attention to this article, which is an interesting read:

Blue Mob: http://www.clevescene.com/cleveland/blue-mob/Content?oid=1485569
 
Lois Lane said:
I don't recall anything about a football camp, but I do recall making the following post:

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Steubenville, Oh High School Football Players Accused of Kidnapping/Rape of a 16 Y/O


Dayton Daily News: http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/news/judge-allowed-steubenville-rape-suspect-ex-guardia/nTqbG/

WTOV9: http://www.wtov9.com/news/news/former-guardians-teen-charged-jefferson-co-rape-ca/nTqTp/
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OH THANK YOU. That was the article. And it was the BIOLOGICAL son that was attending the football camp, not the alleged rapist.
 
whats any one make of one of the associate attorney generals stepping down. seems to me this case would be great for a resume. why go to private sector now?
 
Wise Old Owl said:
Ok - now that this thread is back. Blog talk radio had a show (Joey Ortega) on Friday 1/4. Abdalla was a guest. Now, while the show was supposed to be about Anonymous and how they are "disrupting" the case and community and all the false allegations they put in that one report - Abdalla did talk about the case.

I was shocked when he said that in addition to the 2 that are charged there was a third student charged with child *advertiser censored*. He said he confiscated 3 cell phones and while 2 had really nothing on them - the third had 2 still pictures of the victim nude and THAT owner of that phone was charged with child *advertiser censored*. Now, I have yet to see THAT reported ANYWHERE! But it came right outta Abdalla's mouth.

Here's the link for the archived show:

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/behind...ase-and-anonymous-wguest-sheriff-fred-abdalla

Listen for yourself and draw your own conclusions. But it just baffles me that this little "fact" has NOT been reported, talked about or anything else for that matter.

Child *advertiser censored* is enough for the FBI to get involved. I heard the fed was coming in - right after the Anonymous rally last Saturday - but since, have heard nothing about it.

I sure hope they are - they will get to the bottom of this.



JMHO
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He says he mis-spoke. He meant to say 3 phones, 3 witnesses and TWO arrests, but said 3. He realized he'd made a mistake but was not able to correct it due to time issues.
 
In letters from Ohio Attorney General Mike DeWine's office addressed to each student's lawyer, the state committed to not prosecuting [EW, AC and MC], three witnesses for the prosecution.
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The letter to [EW], dated September 28, was signed by Ohio Associate Attorney General Marianne Hemmeter. The other two letters were signed by Ohio Associate Assistant Attorney General Jennifer Brumby and dated October 9, three days before the trio testified against their teammates. Brumby and Hemmeter conducted the questioning at that hearing.

Attorney General spokesman Dan Tierney said the state decided the students would go uncharged only for the crime of illegal use of a minor in nudity-oriented material.

"We would stand by the attorney general's previous comments," he told Reuters on Thursday.
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http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/01/11/us-usa-crime-ohio-idUSBRE90A03320130111

"We've made no deals with anyone," DeWine responded Wednesday.
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http://www.theintelligencer.net/pag...7/DeWine--No-Deal-With-Witnesses.html?nav=515

Oy.
 
Steely Dan said:
I'm shocked that there weren't more cell phones subpoenaed. I'm sure a lot more pictures could be found if they did a little forensic research on them. Taking the phones and looking for deleted pictures. I'm sure there would be a lot of kids being charged with child *advertiser censored* and/or participating in this whole thing. If they charge anyone else they should be charged as adults. I hope the kid with pictures has to register as a sex offender for the rest of his life and the caption says "Possession of Child *advertiser censored*."
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Apparently most of the kids had iPhones, which REALLY delete the things you tell it to, they scramble the file, then delete it, and then overwrite it so nobody can recover it. This has been a HUGE obstacle in this case.
 
Wise Old Owl said:
ETA: About the "kidnapping" charges. That is a federal offense. Abdalla was asked about that and completely skirted the issue. He said that was decided in the court (to drop those charges) and that for it to be kidnapping that someone had to have crossed state lines. (Not true).

What I'm trying to find out is how the victim got home. She lives in West Virginia. That crosses state lines - doesn't it? Anonymous updated their report to say that in the "early morning hours" someone transported the victim home and dumped her on her front lawn and that her parents found her there at dawn. So, if that is the case - then I do believe the kidnapping charges should be re-instated - don't you? I haven't read or heard from any "authority" about how the victim got home - so IDK.JMHO
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I totally agree. Abdalla is WRONG about the kidnapping charge. Technically I don't think you have to TRANSPORT the victim anywhere at all for it to be kidnapping, but even if we assume Abdalla is correct, she WAS transported. First to several parties, and later, across state lines to WV.
 
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