Thank you for the new thread, Salem.
Maybe there will be some news tomorrow. They're SUPPOSED to have the sentencing hearing. But I'm not counting on that happening.
The def put in for an expert for presentence evaluation, but the judge hasn't responded. Now that they've stopped the clock, they'll just take their sweet time. They probably think if they delay long enough, no one will be looking.
I don't believe they could have messed up this case any more if they tried.:crazy:
JMHO
fran
I personally see no reason, either morally or legally, the State should seal the records of this investigation. Up to this time, the State had NO PROBLEM plastering everything they WANTED on the internet for everyone and his brother to read. They didn't even redact the child's name, plastering his name all over the world.
They say the child is guilty. They've got him to plea guilty. They got their way.
What they have put on the internet so far, shows only a small portion of what SHOULD have been a double murder investigation. IF they have nothing to hide, they would go ahead and file ALL they have. By NOT FILING it, that make them LOOK, APPEAR, as if they don't want everyone to see how they completed their investigation.
It's my understanding, that in order for a judge to ACCEPT a plea deal, he must first be certain a complete and thorough investigation has been done.
They started this............putting everything out there. Now let them finish it, prove it.
To seal the files at this point, IMHO, is ridiculous and making them look as if they're hiding something.
JMHO
fran
It only appears that way to a very select few of conspiracy theorists, IMO
I agree with both of you. I believe the records will be sealed so that the prosecution can cover its arse. Taking this case back to the very beginning and the confession, things were screwed up. When the cops lied to the boy about someone seeing him, they put the boy in the position of no matter what he said, he would be lying. This is very difficult for a child that is sensitive to the lying issue to begin with. And this child admitted that he often got in trouble for lying BEFORE the cops lied to him. Then all the other discrepancies in the confession that were never addressed. What are the answers to those questions?
And then it goes on from there. The question about the gun - was it really the murder weapon? Has that officially been determined? The fingerprint on the gun that is from unknown origins? Why is the fingerprint unknown? LE should be able to figure that one out fairly easily and there is no excuse for not doing so.
The motive - and no way do I buy the 1,000 spanking BS. It appears there was no diary. From all accounts this boy had a fairly decent relationship with his dad. They went hunting, fishing, etc. So why did it all fall apart? I don't believe it was the new wife because she had been around for years before they got married according to some.
And then there are the plain logistics - this double murder would have been very, very difficult for an 8-year old to accomplish. Maybe not impossible, but very difficult. I have puzzled over this aspect for many an evening and I'm just not seeing it happening. I would love to talk to the crime scene reinactor person!
I'm really hoping the mom makes some headway in her appeal or that she files an appeal on behalf of her son. AND I want to know where the heck the GAL was during the plea hearing!!!!!! I call that a failure to perform the duties assigned by the court!
Salem
I agree with both of you. I believe the records will be sealed so that the prosecution can cover its arse. Taking this case back to the very beginning and the confession, things were screwed up. When the cops lied to the boy about someone seeing him, they put the boy in the position of no matter what he said, he would be lying. This is very difficult for a child that is sensitive to the lying issue to begin with. And this child admitted that he often got in trouble for lying BEFORE the cops lied to him. Then all the other discrepancies in the confession that were never addressed. What are the answers to those questions?
And then it goes on from there. The question about the gun - was it really the murder weapon? Has that officially been determined? The fingerprint on the gun that is from unknown origins? Why is the fingerprint unknown? LE should be able to figure that one out fairly easily and there is no excuse for not doing so.
The motive - and no way do I buy the 1,000 spanking BS. It appears there was no diary. From all accounts this boy had a fairly decent relationship with his dad. They went hunting, fishing, etc. So why did it all fall apart? I don't believe it was the new wife because she had been around for years before they got married according to some.
And then there are the plain logistics - this double murder would have been very, very difficult for an 8-year old to accomplish. Maybe not impossible, but very difficult. I have puzzled over this aspect for many an evening and I'm just not seeing it happening. I would love to talk to the crime scene reinactor person!
I'm really hoping the mom makes some headway in her appeal or that she files an appeal on behalf of her son. AND I want to know where the heck the GAL was during the plea hearing!!!!!! I call that a failure to perform the duties assigned by the court!
Salem
Well, well, well,............I wonder just how stupid the St. Johns PD thinks the public is anyway?
Wonder if the child was aware of this? Oh, yeah, I'm sure he was. He even wiped his fingerprints off the rifle.
Sure, Tim and Vince couldn't take down this child.:waitasec:
{shakes head}
fran
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090115113310AA8b3Bd
If this is what you're asking then the short of the answer is a resounding NO! Make no mistake, a .22 mag has more than enough potential to cause a lethal wound to a man, but as far as having the ability to drop an attacker in his tracks reliably and consistently, the answer is no. Your better off shooting them in the leg and outrunning them then trying to kill them outright in most cases. As for the why; while a .22 mag does list similar statistics for energy, but it lacks several things to make it a good "self defense" round.
.22 Magnum?:waitasec: The gun wasn't used in self defense and there were 10 shots fired. Not just one shot to drop an attacker in his tracks. Are you saying .22 bullets weren't lethal to both of these men?
imo
Count me in as one of your "conspiracy theorists".....I have seen way too many poor people thrown under the bus, just because they cannot afford fancy *advertiser censored** lawyers!!!
Here's the thing for me... They have "stopped" the clock, but why???? I agree that there is a stragedy that is going on here. None of it makes any sense. Why seal the investigation regarding this crime? I get the age of the child, but why seal it for the *crime*? I find that baffling.
What are in the documents regarding the investigation that no one is allowed to see??? It makes absolutely no sense. Any part of this case and how it has been handled. *Major* red flags. Oh, and FWIW, I am not thinking just of the child, I am very much thinking about this crime ****as a whole****.
imo
If what is in the rest of the unrevealed evidence points away from the boy, then why in the world would his own attorneys, who have been in the boy's corner from day one, ever stand for that or even the boy for that matter?
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