17 yo Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #31

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[passionflower]

One thing that bothers me is was GZ covered in TM blood?
If you are struggling and shoot a person, doesn't his blood get all over you???
Did GZ shoot from afar?
Powder burns?
Have I missed this???
Thanks

 

[LiveLaughLuv]

George Zimmerman Bond Hearing.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP...20/cnr.01.html


http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP...20/cnr.02.html


http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP...20/cnr.03.html

 

[cityslick]

Taken from the previous thread...

LOL, if you think that doesn't make sense, wait til George is cross examined on being attacked by TM while he was walking back to his truck after 18 seconds and an address hunt, both of which combined wouldn't take more than i minute.

There's no way to do anything other than guess as to Trayvon's movements at this point with the information we have.

George, on the other hand, has stated his version of a complete path of movement at points that can and will be directly tied into the 911 recording with it's timeline. The only "estimate" involved is how long it took to walk approximately 80 feet for an address. His story places him being attacked by TM a full minute BEFORE he ever got off the phone.

IMO, once the jury realizes the impact of what his statements have said to LE, the lights will go out on any SYG defense, particularly if the body was so far down that sidewalk.

I think a jury is going to have the same question I have, which is, if GZ truly was chasing TM all over the place and TM was less than half a minute from where he was trying to get to from the point that GZ's own words say 'he's running', then why wouldn't someone who was scared just run home? As a matter of fact, based on the distances that we've seen, TM could of been clear out of the subdivision (back entrance) by the time GZ got off the phone from dispatch.

I'm also curious how this lines up with the GF's phone call. Are the times from the GF's phone call from a cell log or just from what she said the times were?

 

[Aedrys]

Someone mentioned that GZ can't even go to 7-11 and buy a drink while out on bond. It's the ultimate irony. GZ, who didn't mind pursuing someone with a gun, is probably worried about someone else with a gun pursuing him now.

 

[Phoenixfla]

One thing that bothers me is was GZ covered in TM blood?
If you are struggling and shoot a person, doesn't his blood get all over you???
Did GZ shoot from afar?
Powder burns?
Have I missed this???
Thanks

A gunshot wound does not necessarilly bleed. I have seen bullet entry points where there was no blood at all. (on the COPS tv show that is)

 

[HiHater]

Someone mentioned that GZ can't even go to 7-11 and buy a drink while out on bond. It's the ultimate irony. GZ, who didn't mind pursuing someone with a gun, is probably worried about someone else with a gun pursuing him now.

Yup. And just like Trayvon was unable to carry a firearm by law, GZ now has that same disadvantage...

 

[atthelake]

In Session says George will speak publicly in the next hour. FYI

ETA: Others downthread have said that I misunderstood!!!!!!! That they only said they would be replaying testimony of George. :blush: Sorry!

 

[LiveLaughLuv]

One thing that bothers me is was GZ covered in TM blood?
If you are struggling and shoot a person, doesn't his blood get all over you???
Did GZ shoot from afar?
Powder burns?
Have I missed this???
Thanks

He didn't appear to be bloody as he was being escorted to the police station..

At the bond hearing the investigator did say TM was shot in close proximity with GS burns on his clothing and chest..

A few new pieces of evidence did come out Friday.

How close, asked the judge, was the gun to the victim when it was fired?

So close, said Gilbreath, that there were burns on Trayvon's sweat shirt and skin.

Gilbreath also said the state had a witness who reported seeing the shadows of two people running, one chasing the other, but could not identify who they were.

Although Gilbreath offered little evidence Friday that portrayed Zimmerman as a murderer, he said he did have evidence proving him a liar.

Zimmerman gave authorities five statements, de la Rionda disclosed Friday. Sometimes they were inconsistent and contrary to physical evidence, Gilbreath said, although, he did not offer specifics.

In one version, Gilbreath said, Zimmerman said he was inside his vehicle and Trayvon was outside, circling it. Still, Zimmerman got out and followed the teenager, Gilbreath testified.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com...-prosecutor-angela-corey-robert-zimmerman-son


Did they confiscate GZ's clothing that night? No, it doesn't appear they did.

So, everything will weigh on the autopsy, is my belief...I hope the State is alot more forceful and convincing at trial...I truly believe the State was railroaded, they weren't prepared to talk evidence, just prior behavior and arrests...but it appears to be a strategic move on the defense and it worked in their favor...

 

[Donjeta]

I don't really care that he is out on bond. Let him play on his computer and let those who donate to him support him. I cannot understand why gun right groups even support him? This has nothing to do with gun rights. No one wants to take those rights away. Sure, I know myself personally, believes that the law should be ammended and better defined, but I don't think the law should be completely abandoned. It's a great law when it comes to people entering your homes and your business as I believe everyone has a right to defend themselves and their property against people clearly breaking a law and could very well intend to hurt you. The problem with the law is that it needs to be better defined when outside of a residence/business. People should be allowed to innocently walk down the street, in a residence they have every right to be at, without the expectation of being killed because some over-zealous man has pegged you as a criminal just for walking down the street.

You know the saying, a smart person can get out of trouble that a wise person would never get into.

I think GZ is an example of the gun-rights version of the proverb. A person who is armed with hollow point bullets can effectively defend himself in situations that an unarmed person would never get into.

He was big and tough with the gun in his holster and started following someone, probably wanted to stop the *advertiser censored*****e from getting away, got into trouble for it and was able to save his life because he was armed. Heigh ho for George.
But what are the odds that if he hadn't been armed he'd have been less likely to play Batman and Robin and more likely to just wait for the police. , No one would have been in a position in which they felt they had to defend themselves, no lives would have been lost.

I don't carry, I've never owned a gun and it would never in a million years occur to me that it would be a good idea to make someone "suspicious" notice me and consider me a hostile force by stalking him.

 

[atthelake]

One thing that I have noticed and top of mind is how often it is said by DT and others (Tafee) that he "wasn't on duty" when this happened. WTF! You aren't *on duty* for NW - it's a continual thing! Me thinks they *think* have a loophole somewhere?

 

[Wise Old Owl]

In Session says George will speak publicly in the next hour. FYI

huh? What? Why? Oh my Lord, what in the world has he GOTTA say now? I turned it on.

Let's see....................

Oh wait, maybe to ask for more donations? IDK - I just can't imagine him getting on camera, much less his attorney allowing it. Just boggles my mind.




JMHO

 

[Adrienne37]

In Session says George will speak publicly in the next hour. FYI

So much for keeping a low profile.


~jmo~

 

[Marshmallow]

In Session says George will speak publicly in the next hour. FYI

why would his atty allow that? not only will it rile up the masses, anything he says or does will be fodder for tv shows and newsprint. I can't see how this is not trying the case in the public again

 

[Donjeta]

One thing that I have noticed and top of mind is how often it is said by DT and others (Tafee) that he "wasn't on duty" when this happened. WTF! You aren't *on duty* for NW - it's a continual thing! Me thinks they *think* have a loophole somewhere?

I think it's because there were articles with neighborhood watch coordinators saying that it was against NW rules to be armed. Thus the emphasis that he wasn't on patrol, he was going to the Target.

 

[atthelake]

Watching for the first time on In Session the hearing where the lead investigator is on the stand. Hmmmmmmmmmmm, difference I see from Yuri, IYKWIM

 

[Wise Old Owl]

Hold up - Me thinks In Session is taking some liberties with their words. They are re-running the bail hearing so maybe this "GZ to speak publicly" is just going to be his "on stand testimony" at the hearing.

Probably is. ***sigh***



JMHO

 

[Concerned Papa]

Taken from the previous thread...



I think a jury is going to have the same question I have, which is, if GZ truly was chasing TM all over the place and TM was less than half a minute from where he was trying to get to from the point that GZ's own words say 'he's running', then why wouldn't someone who was scared just run home? As a matter of fact, based on the distances that we've seen, TM could of been clear out of the subdivision (back entrance) by the time GZ got off the phone from dispatch.

I'm also curious how this lines up with the GF's phone call. Are the times from the GF's phone call from a cell log or just from what she said the times were?

All I know about the GF's call is that it was supposed to be 4 minutes in length, starting at 7:12 pm.

The way I understand this SYG defense issue, GZ will have to bring it to the court as his defense. He will then have to offer proof as to it's validity. He's going to have a very difficult time showing that proof based on what that bond hearing clearly indicated his story and timeline is, as stated to LE.

GZ's problem is not going to be as much what TM was doing, but what he clearly was NOT doing per GZ's statements to LE.

 

[LiveLaughLuv]

One thing that I have noticed and top of mind is how often it is said by DT and others (Tafee) that he "wasn't on duty" when this happened. WTF! You aren't *on duty* for NW - it's a continual thing! Me thinks they *think* have a loophole somewhere?

I believe so that Twin Lakes Retreat do not get sued...I believe since they sent that memo to call GZ, once you've call the police..is going to be inserted into a wrongful death lawsuit...they basically made GZ the sheriff of that community...they will have to anwer in a court of law...

 

[Gin]

So much for keeping a low profile.


~jmo~

JMO/IMO
No kidding. Seriously, I believe Z has had a serious problem with impluse control for a long time. It will probably be his downfall while out on bail, but we'll have to see.