Aphrodite Jones, JonBenet, and Lou Smit?

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Thanks alot for posting this on youtube cynic . I greatly appreciate it . I do have one thought if anyone remembers the part where the ramseys said they had alot of people over 2 days before christmas to say thanks was it to the church or the pagent people dont really matter point is how do we know that since they say there was alot of people there maybe someone went roaming in that nice house and went in that basement room and left those footprints maybe a couple went in there to have a well private moment and thats the 2 sets of so called prints just one of the many things that stood out to me ....The only thing that got my attention mind you i truly believe they both did this to cover up a accidental death thats my oppinion just i had never heard before of the guy michael helgot and thought that was kind of interesting set of coincidences. partly because i seen a show one time where they used a pig to use the stun gun on and they made the identical marks as what i believe where on JBR and then they found that and the hitech boot in his home ..not to mention the odd way he offed himself . INteresting but still not enough for me to dought who did it . the parents
 
Whether you believe the Intruder story or the Ramsey story, this seemed more like an episode of 'Hard Copy' rather than a balanced and critical investigation.

Even the title logo with her curvy silhouette seems to tell me Ms Jones is more interested in her image than achieving much on an investigative sense.
 
I don't recall any conclusive proof that any of the Ramseys owned hi-tec hiking boots. I also don't recall Burke being called by the Grand Jury. Burke misunderstanding the brand name vs a high technology boot is something I remember---but do not know where the information came from. The only thing I can rely on is the Hi-Tec print is not sourced and remains a question mark


Some light reading for you....

(Snips)

Burke Not a Suspect: In May 1999, Burke Ramsey was secretly questioned by the grand jury. The following day, authorities finally said that Burke was not a suspect, only a witness. As the grand jury began to wind down its investigation, John and Patsy Ramsey are forced to move from their Atlanta-area home avoid the onslaught of media attention. http://crime.about.com/od/unsolved/p/jonbenet_case.htm

Twelve-year-old Burke Ramsey is secretly questioned by the grand jury. The next day Boulder authorites publicly affirm he's not a suspect, only a witness. http://extras.denverpost.com/news/ram1014j.htm

FOOT PRINTS:
12/26/96 Two unidentifed shoe prints found on wine cellar floor - 12/26/96 One Hi-Tec boot print found on the wine cellar floor - 08/28/2000 Atlanta Interviews, Patsy Ramsey, Lin Wood, and PI Ollie Gray were all told that Burke Ramsey and Fleet White Jr both said they had owned Hi-Tec brand shoeshttp://www.acandyrose.com/s-evidence-prints-hand-foot.htm

During the Atlanta 2000 Interviews, a statement was made as FACT that prior to 1996 that Burke Ramsey said he owned a pair of Hi-Tec boots. The boots were apparently were purchases while shopping with his parents in Atlanta, Georgia. During the same interview it was stated that "Fleet Junior also says that he had Hi-Tec shoes." Patsy Ramsey stated she can't remember Burke ever having any shoes or boots with compasses on them. When asked if this interview was the first time she heard Burke said he owned Hi-Tec shoes with compasses and Patsy said yes. http://www.acandyrose.com/s-evidence-prints-hand-foot.htm

2000-08-28: Patsy Ramsey Interview - Atlanta, Georgia - August 28, 2000

14 Q. Do you recall a period of time,
15 prior to 1996, when your son Burke purchased
16 a pair of hiking boots that had compasses on
17 the shoelaces? And if it helps to
18 remember --
19 A. I can't remember.
20 Q. Maybe this will help your
21 recollection. They were shoes that were
22 purchased while he was shopping with you in
23 Atlanta.
24 MR. WOOD: Are you stating that
25 as a fact?

0123
1 MR. LEVIN: I am stating that as
2 a fact.


(Snipped from same interview. You should however read the whole thing)

3 THE WITNESS: I can't remember.
4 Q. (By Mr. Levin) Okay. Does it
5 jog your memory to know that the shoes with
6 compasses were made by Hi-Tec?
7 MR. WOOD: Are you stating that
8 as a fact?
9 MR. LEVIN: Yes. I am stating
10 that as a fact.

11 THE WITNESS: No, I didn't know
12 that.
13 Q. (By Mr. Levin) I will state this
14 as a fact. There are two people who have
15 provided us with information, including your
16 son, that he owned Hi-Tec shoes prior to the
17 murder of your daughter.
18 MR. WOOD: You are stating that
19 Burke Ramsey has told you he owned Hi-Tec
20 shoes?
21 MR. LEVIN: Yes.
22 MR. WOOD: He used the phrase
23 Hi-Tec?
24 MR. LEVIN: Yes.
25 MR. WOOD: When?

0125
1 MR. LEVIN: I can't, I can't give
2 you the source. I can tell you that I have
3 that information.
4 MR. WOOD: You said Burke told
5 you.
6 MR. LEVIN: I can't quote it to
7 you for reasons I am sure, as an attorney,
8 you are aware.

9 MR. WOOD: Just so it is clear,
10 there is a difference between you saying that
11 somebody said Burke told them and Burke
12 telling you because Burke has been
13 interviewed by you all December of 1996,
14 January of 1997, June of 1998.
15 Are you saying that it is within
16 those interviews?
17 MR. LEVIN: No.
18 MR. WOOD: So he didn't tell you,
19 he told somebody else you are stating as a
20 fact because I don't think you all have
21 talked to him other than those occasions,
22 have you?
23 MR. KANE: Mr. Wood, we don't
24 want to get into grand jury information.
25 Okay?


0126
1 MR. WOOD: Okay.
2 MR. KANE: Fair enough?
3 MR. LEVIN: I am sorry, I should
4 have been more direct. I thought you would
5 understand --
6 Q. (By Mr. Levin) Fleet Junior also
7 says that he had Hi-Tec shoes.



20 MR. WOOD: You are telling me he
21 said it sometime late fall of 1999, and I
22 think his age would have been closer in the
23 neighborhood of 12.
24 MR. LEVIN: I think 11 going on
25 12.

0135
1 MR. WOOD: No, I think he turned
2 13 January of 2000. So he was 12, and it
3 was some three years after the murder of his
4 sister, if that is when he first said it. http://www.acandyrose.com/s-evidence-prints-hand-foot.htm


2002-08-23: Ramsey evidence is explained - Hand, boot prints determined to be innocent occurrences

-- A mysterious Hi-Tec boot print in the mold on the floor of the Ramseys' wine cellar near JonBenet's body has been linked by investigators to Burke, her brother, who was 9 at the time. It is believed to have been left there under circumstances unrelated to JonBenet's murder. http://www.acandyrose.com/s-evidence-prints-hand-foot.htm

2002-08-26: From CrimeNews 2000 Forum thread,

"Transcript of "Crier Live" on the Brennan article"
You should read this if you haven’t. http://www.acandyrose.com/s-evidence-prints-hand-foot.htm

Seems BR, did indeed know his brands

Burke, as quoted in the Steve Thomas book, page 317:

"When the three days of interviews about his sister were over, Detective Schuller asked the boy if there was anything he wanted to ask. Burke said yes and pointed to the detective's wristwatch. "Is that a Rolex?" http://www.acandyrose.com/s-evidence-prints-hand-foot.htm

30
17 Q. We have been provided, and again,
18 one of the sources of this information is
19 confidential grand jury material I can tell
20 you in the question, but we have been
21 provided information from two sources that
22 your son Burke, prior to the murder of your
23 daughter, owned and wore Hi-Tec boots that
24 had a compass on them, which makes them
25 distinctive. http://www.acandyrose.com/s-evidence-prints-hand-foot.htm
 
(Found by Why_Nut) - Footwear News, July 29, 1991 (Author: McAllister, Robert): MODESTO, Calif. - "Hi-Tec Sports USA will step up the marketing of its new children's outdoor hiking boot with an incentive campaign centered around the 500th anniversary of Columbus' voyage to the New World. The company plans to offer posters, stickers and other amenities as part of a Navigators' Club that children can join when they purchase an item in the new Navigators' series. Hi-Tec unveiled an outdoor boot called the Columbus as part of the series. The shoe features a compass tied to the laces." http://www.acandyrose.com/s-evidence-prints-hand-foot.htm


Burke was a boy scout.

From a scouting web site (just skip to item #4 below):

"Welcome new scouts and parents:

The following list is of essential items for Troop 50 outings.... back to table of contents

1. BSA class A uniform - shirt, shorts, belt and buckle, socks with red stripe, red shoulder loops, 5 and 0 numerals, Golden Empire patch, scout book with optional cover. A pair of long pants is very helpful during winter months.

All of the above items can be purchased at the Boy Scout shop.
**************************************************************************************************
1. External frame backpack - i.e. JanSport Scout, Kelty Tioga, Camp Trails, etc. Be sure to have sufficient straps and buckles for attaching a sleeping bag and pad.

2. Sleeping Bag - i.e. Northface Cats Meow, Moonstone, Sierra Designs, Marmot, SlumberJack, etc. The bag should be rated at 15 to 2O degrees, be lightweight, and have a stuff bag. Goosedown filled bags are lightweight but more expensive. Synthetic filled bags are bulkier but more water resistant.

3. Sleeping pad - i.e. Thermarest air mattress, RidgeRest foam, Z-Rest foam, etc. The pad should be very lightweight. The Z-rest is only 16 oz., and folds easily.

4. Hiking boots - i.e. Asolo, Vasque Kids Climbers, Nike, Hi-Tek, Reebok, etc. The shoes should be water resistant, and sized to allow growth." http://www.acandyrose.com/s-evidence-prints-hand-foot.htm
 
No wonder they don't want BR talking still....the boot is one of the Intruder pieces of 'evidence' and here's good ol' Burke saying "Yeah, I had some and so did Fleet Jr.".

I'm all for people getting a proper defence for crimes etc, but we weren't really at that stage were we.
 
Burke's birthday is at the end of January. He turned 10 in January 1997. He testified before the grand jury May 19, 1999, according to the Ramseys. So he would have been 12 yrs. and 4 mo's., just to be precise, when he testified.
 
Some light reading for you....

(Snips)

Burke Not a Suspect: In May 1999, Burke Ramsey was secretly questioned by the grand jury. The following day, authorities finally said that Burke was not a suspect, only a witness. As the grand jury began to wind down its investigation, John and Patsy Ramsey are forced to move from their Atlanta-area home avoid the onslaught of media attention. http://crime.about.com/od/unsolved/p/jonbenet_case.htm

Twelve-year-old Burke Ramsey is secretly questioned by the grand jury. The next day Boulder authorites publicly affirm he's not a suspect, only a witness. http://extras.denverpost.com/news/ram1014j.htm

FOOT PRINTS:
12/26/96 Two unidentifed shoe prints found on wine cellar floor - 12/26/96 One Hi-Tec boot print found on the wine cellar floor - 08/28/2000 Atlanta Interviews, Patsy Ramsey, Lin Wood, and PI Ollie Gray were all told that Burke Ramsey and Fleet White Jr both said they had owned Hi-Tec brand shoeshttp://www.acandyrose.com/s-evidence-prints-hand-foot.htm

During the Atlanta 2000 Interviews, a statement was made as FACT that prior to 1996 that Burke Ramsey said he owned a pair of Hi-Tec boots. The boots were apparently were purchases while shopping with his parents in Atlanta, Georgia. During the same interview it was stated that "Fleet Junior also says that he had Hi-Tec shoes." Patsy Ramsey stated she can't remember Burke ever having any shoes or boots with compasses on them. When asked if this interview was the first time she heard Burke said he owned Hi-Tec shoes with compasses and Patsy said yes. http://www.acandyrose.com/s-evidence-prints-hand-foot.htm

2000-08-28: Patsy Ramsey Interview - Atlanta, Georgia - August 28, 2000

14 Q. Do you recall a period of time,
15 prior to 1996, when your son Burke purchased
16 a pair of hiking boots that had compasses on
17 the shoelaces? And if it helps to
18 remember --
19 A. I can't remember.
20 Q. Maybe this will help your
21 recollection. They were shoes that were
22 purchased while he was shopping with you in
23 Atlanta.
24 MR. WOOD: Are you stating that
25 as a fact?

0123
1 MR. LEVIN: I am stating that as
2 a fact.

(Snipped from same interview. You should however read the whole thing)

3 THE WITNESS: I can't remember.
4 Q. (By Mr. Levin) Okay. Does it
5 jog your memory to know that the shoes with
6 compasses were made by Hi-Tec?
7 MR. WOOD: Are you stating that
8 as a fact?
9 MR. LEVIN: Yes. I am stating
10 that as a fact.
11 THE WITNESS: No, I didn't know
12 that.
13 Q. (By Mr. Levin) I will state this
14 as a fact. There are two people who have
15 provided us with information, including your
16 son, that he owned Hi-Tec shoes prior to the
17 murder of your daughter.
18 MR. WOOD: You are stating that
19 Burke Ramsey has told you he owned Hi-Tec
20 shoes?
21 MR. LEVIN: Yes.
22 MR. WOOD: He used the phrase
23 Hi-Tec?
24 MR. LEVIN: Yes.
25 MR. WOOD: When?

0125
1 MR. LEVIN: I can't, I can't give
2 you the source. I can tell you that I have
3 that information.
4 MR. WOOD: You said Burke told
5 you.
6 MR. LEVIN: I can't quote it to
7 you for reasons I am sure, as an attorney,
8 you are aware.
9 MR. WOOD: Just so it is clear,
10 there is a difference between you saying that
11 somebody said Burke told them and Burke
12 telling you because Burke has been
13 interviewed by you all December of 1996,
14 January of 1997, June of 1998.
15 Are you saying that it is within
16 those interviews?
17 MR. LEVIN: No.
18 MR. WOOD: So he didn't tell you,
19 he told somebody else you are stating as a
20 fact because I don't think you all have
21 talked to him other than those occasions,
22 have you?
23 MR. KANE: Mr. Wood, we don't
24 want to get into grand jury information.
25 Okay?

0126
1 MR. WOOD: Okay.
2 MR. KANE: Fair enough?
3 MR. LEVIN: I am sorry, I should
4 have been more direct. I thought you would
5 understand --
6 Q. (By Mr. Levin) Fleet Junior also
7 says that he had Hi-Tec shoes.


20 MR. WOOD: You are telling me he
21 said it sometime late fall of 1999, and I
22 think his age would have been closer in the
23 neighborhood of 12.
24 MR. LEVIN: I think 11 going on
25 12.

0135
1 MR. WOOD: No, I think he turned
2 13 January of 2000. So he was 12, and it
3 was some three years after the murder of his
4 sister, if that is when he first said it. http://www.acandyrose.com/s-evidence-prints-hand-foot.htm


2002-08-23: Ramsey evidence is explained - Hand, boot prints determined to be innocent occurrences

-- A mysterious Hi-Tec boot print in the mold on the floor of the Ramseys' wine cellar near JonBenet's body has been linked by investigators to Burke, her brother, who was 9 at the time. It is believed to have been left there under circumstances unrelated to JonBenet's murder. http://www.acandyrose.com/s-evidence-prints-hand-foot.htm

2002-08-26: From CrimeNews 2000 Forum thread,

"Transcript of "Crier Live" on the Brennan article"
You should read this if you haven’t. http://www.acandyrose.com/s-evidence-prints-hand-foot.htm

Seems BR, did indeed know his brands

Burke, as quoted in the Steve Thomas book, page 317:

"When the three days of interviews about his sister were over, Detective Schuller asked the boy if there was anything he wanted to ask. Burke said yes and pointed to the detective's wristwatch. "Is that a Rolex?" http://www.acandyrose.com/s-evidence-prints-hand-foot.htm

30
17 Q. We have been provided, and again,
18 one of the sources of this information is
19 confidential grand jury material I can tell
20 you in the question, but we have been
21 provided information from two sources that
22 your son Burke, prior to the murder of your
23 daughter, owned and wore Hi-Tec boots that
24 had a compass on them, which makes them
25 distinctive. http://www.acandyrose.com/s-evidence-prints-hand-foot.htm
The Hi-Tec “Columbus” is pictured below:
(Included in the upper left is a scan of an advertisement for the Hi-Tec Columbus (circa 1994) found by a poster over at FFJ.)
[ame="http://www.forumsforjustice.org/forums/showpost.php?p=159194&postcount=21"]Forums For Justice - View Single Post - No misunderstanding - Burke, Hi-Tec and a compass[/ame]

23kahzp.jpg


See also:
[ame="http://www.forumsforjustice.org/forums/showthread.php?t=9764"]Hi-Tec crime scene photos - Forums For Justice[/ame]
 
Heres a question for all of you . now iam only 30 so im not married which is shocking because well lets face it iam brad pitt and tom cruise wrapped in one lol .ok but serious for anyone of you that is married and has a husband or a wife and you have best friends as couples you know you do the double date nights and barbe Q STuff like that my question is this you know them pretty well right so what would it say if something happen to thier chile or your child like JBR and your best friends that know you and have said and thought nothing but great things about you what would it say when they up and stop being friends , stop communicating and even start to think you did do it these are people you are great friends with . I think you all know who iam talking about i however forget the couples name but the ramseys best friends up and left thier side because they thought they were guilty i think that says alot they knew the familly pretty well i would think so for them to just stop all contact and say they believe they were guilty i just think thier oppinions may be the best out of anyones they new the dinamics with JBR and patsy and john pretty well....
 
Did Burke ever go in for that interview that they wanted him to do recently
 
BR refused on the advice of the "family's lawyer", LW.

As to your other post- when 2 couples that used to be good friends suddenly STOP being friends after the child of one couple is found brutally murdered in her own home and NO one else was home except HER PARENTS (and their other child)- well, I think what it tells you is that other couple suspects that the child was killed by her parents or another family member.
And I think that if that accusation was made in private that it would certainly not only end the friendship, but cause the suspect couple to deflect blame from themselves by blaming the OTHER couple (whose home they visited for dinner hours before their daughter was murdered).
 
I think those friends suspected something, especially after Jonbenets body was found. I think they were convinced when JR lawyered up the entire family and ran from Boulder.

These friends had been close, very close, they not only saw things but heard things. Now, maybe those things didnt make sense when they first happened but given time and thought, the pieces began to fall into place. Given what they knew and what the R's must have feared them knowing, especially when FW, began to question the actions JR was taking, they were rapidly thrown from the fast moving train.

Those close friends had become the enemy and were treated as such in the public eye, and all to cast doubt on anything they might have said (probably threatened with hefty lawsuits and worse). Reminds me of a shoot out scene from the Good, the Bad, and the Ugly. The Rs being the quickest to draw, pointing the finger first, and casting doubt on the W's credibility for the public and its still in question for many.


The question is... How much of what those friends know has been shared with LE?
 
I certainly can believe the Ramseys would do something like throw their so-called "best friends" under the bus.

John is a big fat liar because he tells Detectives that Fleet White insisted he go on CNN...a LIE!

John so callously tells Detectives that John Fernie informed him that Barbara no longer wants to communicate with Patsy. He tells LE "Barbara already had emotional problems so she requested Patsy not communicate with her."

The Ramseys never had close friends...they weren't capable of emotional attachments. All their so-called friends were dispensable...and their remarks about them are cruel.
 
I certainly can believe the Ramseys would do something like throw their so-called "best friends" under the bus.

John is a big fat liar because he tells Detectives that Fleet White insisted he go on CNN...a LIE!

John so callously tells Detectives that John Fernie informed him that Barbara no longer wants to communicate with Patsy. He tells LE "Barbara already had emotional problems so she requested Patsy not communicate with her."

The Ramseys never had close friends...they weren't capable of emotional attachments. All their so-called friends were dispensable...and their remarks about them are cruel.

Patsy and Nedra looked down on Boulder- Nedra called it "that hellhole"- and considered themselves WAY above the local population. The R circle of friends there were probably also considered a step down from their usual type of friends. I get the impression that, although the family relocated there, they were not really happy about it, and probably never felt tied to the community. It wasn't a place to "put down roots" permanently.
 
I guess my point was you can bring in the F B I And boulder police lou schmit heck bring in sherlock holmes if yu want . what iam saying is these too were the ramseys BEST friends no one maybe not even familly since they were all over the map knew then as well as these too and certinally not the police and FBI ya they got thier profilers and what not but the best friends had the insight to thier every day life of the familly and the fact that they up and not just walked away but they publically announced that they were suspicious of john and patsy and that they were washing thier hands of thier friendship . Iam not sure but werent thier kids also good friends with burke and jonbenet too so for them to cut off all ties to me says everything we need to know ..they new the familly inside and out they new the familly when the doors were shut and the lights were off they new what they were like i just dont think anyone else had that kind of insight so thier suspicion speaks volumes to myself...I have allways thought this really was never a who done it case but a proove what happend that night in that house case..to me anyways.
 
I guess my point was you can bring in the F B I And boulder police lou schmit heck bring in sherlock holmes if yu want . what iam saying is these too were the ramseys BEST friends no one maybe not even familly since they were all over the map knew then as well as these too and certinally not the police and FBI ya they got thier profilers and what not but the best friends had the insight to thier every day life of the familly and the fact that they up and not just walked away but they publically announced that they were suspicious of john and patsy and that they were washing thier hands of thier friendship . Iam not sure but werent thier kids also good friends with burke and jonbenet too so for them to cut off all ties to me says everything we need to know ..they new the familly inside and out they new the familly when the doors were shut and the lights were off they new what they were like i just dont think anyone else had that kind of insight so thier suspicion speaks volumes to myself...I have allways thought this really was never a who done it case but a proove what happend that night in that house case..to me anyways.

from what I've read I think the fight between the two started because their stories were contradicting,the stuff they both told LE re finding the body,the position of the body ,etc,basically re everything that happened when they went down there.
it's obvious that one of them is lying.
it's beyond my understanding how FW opens the door and doesn't see ANYTHING and when JR opens it he instantly sees the blanket/body.
 
from what I've read I think the fight between the two started because their stories were contradicting,the stuff they both told LE re finding the body,the position of the body ,etc,basically re everything that happened when they went down there.
it's obvious that one of them is lying.
it's beyond my understanding how FW opens the door and doesn't see ANYTHING and when JR opens it he instantly sees the blanket/body.

Before he turned the light on, too!
 
In this interview Ms.Jones also makes the ridiculous claim that JR could not have done it because the he would not have disturbed the crime scene?
How does she figure that one? If he did it wouldn't it make even more sense to disturb the scene?

Great point. I suppose AJ never heard of the words "cover up."
jmo
 

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