CA/Canada - Elisa Lam - 21 years old - Los Angeles/Vancouver - 31-Jan-2013 - #2

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That video of the person on the roof is very suspicious, especially his reply to the person asking how he got there, and deleted comments.

I have been thinking that if she has been killed, she would have been killed on the roof itself.

This gives credence to the idea if people were having fun on the roof before. Like a spot to hangout at.
 
It is only speculation so far, there is nothing solid that links him to Elisa. It does intrigue me that he was charged with assault back in 2010, which he served 4 days in jail for and according to him "Jail was fun, no big deal." It was also alleged that he kidnapped a woman (who was in his band, I think), she was drugged and she found herself in a stranger's house several hours later.

http://www.sandiegoreader.com/bands/death-of-desire/ (local news article)
http://www.metalunderground.com/news/details.cfm?newsid=58822 (the woman's side of the story)

I mean, yeah this character is shady, but so are many other current and ex residents of the cecil hotel.




I added new info on him on my post.


Elisa Lam refers to this guy she was interested in a month ago as being a musician, who plays a double bass guitar and also likes playing the zombie game 'Left 4 Dead' (L4D)


This M <modnsip> fellow, <modsnip> is a musician, plays and owns several bass guitars, has many pictures of gore and zombies, and 10 months ago - stayed at the Cecil Hotel and made a video about it - only to make the video private about a day ago.


I want to know what people think of this. Too much of a coincidence in my eyes.
 
Wonder if someone can run that print in that rooftop video hahaha.
 
More about the floor.... As I've posted before....

Here is a screen cap of the floor Elisa is on.


And here is a screen cap of the floor reached at 3.12 in the video


There are clear differences as I've noted and a couple others as well that I have not marked with arrows.

I don't understand why some people think her possibly being on level 15 is ruled out?? It's not. In addition, people have stayed on that level so it s accessible from what we currently know.

Also as SillyBilly has wondered, I do not believe the camera was moved in anyway. I stared at one area of the screen for almost the duration of the video and the level does not change, so the floor is indeed a different one.

Sorry. Don't mean to be mean but please read as much as you can before posting because otherwise we are going around in circles :/


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LAM Elisa (Diagnostics of Childhood Tuberculosis (TB)) a link to what it involves http://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT00512330

So the "Elisa" in this study is not a person but "Enzyme-linked immunosorbent assay (ELISA) is a test that uses antibodies and color change to identify a substance..... to detect the presence of a substance, usually an antigen, in a liquid sample or wet sample." [ame]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ELISA_test[/ame]

And LAM isn't a last name but an abbreviation used for an enzyme called Lipoarabinomannan. LAM Elisa means using the Elisa test above to look for the LAM enzyme in children's urine as a way to tell whether or not they have tuberculosis. ([ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lipoarabinomannan"]Lipoarabinomannan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame])

Weird coincidence, but nothing to do with Elisa Lam the person. Just the name of a test that can be done for TB.
 
Yeah, she did talk about going out to a bar in her posts from CA, not sure if it was from LA or SD though, but it wasn't the night of the 31st. It's only natural for someone visiting a big city for the first time, especially LA, to want to go out and experience the nightlife. But the question of what she did that night is still just speculation.

Speaking with some medical knowledge (but not yet a degree), it definitely would not be recommended to drink while taking that combo of meds, or even any of them singly, particularly the lamotrigine (Lamictal). She was taking the combination for months apparently, so whether she stopped taking her meds before/during the trip or whether she overdosed that night on her prescriptions are also possible but also pure speculation at this point. It can't even be said for sure whether she was still prescribed all of them in Jan 2013, but I'm sure it's something the police already have a good hold on, and if the bottles were left in the room it would give them even more info on how much she did/didn't take.

You're right this all still doesn't help very much with the most troubling question of how she wound up in the tank.
read on a post on another sites forum that 1 of EL tweet was quote "speakeasy". google speakeasy los angeles and it leads to this bar and I think it may not be far from the Cecil Hotel http://www.yelp.ca/biz/the-varnish-los-angeles-2
 
Guys, I don't think we're supposed to post pictures of "potential suspects" here.
 
I don't think that particular guy really has anything to do with this. But she did say she recently went to a speakeasy and guys who play the double bass and wear bowties (and suspenders!) would likely hang out at a speakeasy. Maybe she met the person she was referring to in the tumblr post at the speakeasy?

Why do you think that M <modsnip> fellow does not have anything to do with this, may I ask?

I'm curious.
 
So the "Elisa" in this study is not a person but "Enzyme-linked immunosorbent assay (ELISA) is a test that uses antibodies and color change to identify a substance..... to detect the presence of a substance, usually an antigen, in a liquid sample or wet sample." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ELISA_test

And LAM isn't a last name but an abbreviation used for an enzyme called Lipoarabinomannan. LAM Elisa means using the Elisa test above to look for the LAM enzyme in children's urine as a way to tell whether or not they have tuberculosis. (Lipoarabinomannan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)

Weird coincidence, but nothing to do with Elisa Lam the person. Just the name of a test that can be done for TB.

ETA:eek:ops, I see now that someone already posted this info. Nevermind & sorry .
 
The M <modsnip> guy appears to have tattoos everwhere except on the inside of his wrist.

And it would be really interesting to see him in suspenders and a bow tie.

I don't think his friends would pass the drugs to him anymore if he was dressed like that.
 
Guys, I don't think we're supposed to post pictures of "potential suspects" here.

Never said he was a suspect. Just was pointing out if it was the person Elisa Lam was mentioning about in her blog posted a month ago.

Although, there are many coincidences that just seem a little suspicious to be honest, and the fact that he made his video of himself inside the Cecil Hotel uploaded 10 months ago - private just yesterday for nobody to see.
 
Blown margins, please adjust images. Thank you.

I'm using tapatalk and I use it's photo posting function and when I do that the images are appearing small, so I'm sorry if it's me posting gigantic photos I wasn't aware, lol!


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Why do you think that M <modsnip> fellow does not have anything to do with this, may I ask?

I'm curious.

Here's my reasoning.

The guy she said she's interested in plays the double bass - not a bass guitar. [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_bass"]Double bass - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

She also said the guy she's interested in wears bowties and suspenders. This Morbid guy doesn't seem like the type who would dress like that.
 
I added new info on him on my post.


Elisa Lam refers to this guy she was interested in a month ago as being a musician, who plays a double bass guitar and also likes playing the zombie game 'Left 4 Dead' (L4D)


This M <modsnip> fellow,is a musician, plays and owns several bass guitars, has many pictures of gore and zombies, and 10 months ago - stayed at the Cecil Hotel and made a video about it - only to make the video private about a day ago.


I want to know what people think of this. Too much of a coincidence in my eyes.

I do not really blame him for making them private. And perhaps he is how she heard about this place? Or she hoped to find him from there?
 
read on a post on another sites forum that 1 of EL tweet was quote "speakeasy". google speakeasy los angeles and it leads to this bar and I think it may not be far from the Cecil Hotel http://www.yelp.ca/biz/the-varnish-los-angeles-2

There is also a bar in San Diego (where she was immediately before going to LA) named "Gaslamp Speakeasy", not just described as a speakeasy online. The Gaslamp district is popular with tourists and college-aged kids for its nightlife. Either way, her post referencing the "speakeasy" doesn't refer to the night of the 31st.

http://www.yelp.com/biz/gaslamp-speakeasy-san-diego
 
Have you seen our earlier discussions about the floor she's on?

In this video circa 2012
http://youtu.be/_zkukLsXdE0

The two people are staying on the 14th floor. The 14th floor is painted a very distinctive shade of green. whether or not the green is played down in the surveillance footage of Elisa we're not sure, but unless they have repainted the floors then i seriously doubt she was on the 14th floor in the video.I am fairly confident also that there are indeed only 2 elevators in the building.

In addition, if the button doesn't stay lit up when she presses 14 because she is indeed on the 14th floor, can you please explain to me why at the 3.12 mark in the surveillance footage once the elevator door is about halfway open, the 14 light definitely and clearly turns off? To me this would indicate that the elevator reached the 14th floor.

It seems to me that some of the lights aren't as bright as the others, and other factors like light reflecting off the interior panels if the elevator can make the dim ones look dimmer.

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Hmm, now that you mention it. You're right. This changes my analysis then. However, the scenario I have made for this video and Elisa Lam stays the same. Thanks for pointing this out for me.

Then, does anybody know what floor she was actually on? If the elevator is actually going UP and not going down, she has to be around floors 11 to 12? (13 is excluded because there is no floor to press on the elevator panel)

Or maybe the elevator buttons light up regardless if you are on the same floor? She could of been on a lower floor even.


[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TjVBpyTeZM"]Elisa Lam Video - YouTube[/ame]

Here is my scenario of what happened in that CCTV recording.




The buttons she presses on the middle row from top to bottom:

14 10, 7, 4 (the floor of her hotel room), M (mezzanine), B (basement) and finally the DOOR HOLD button on the very bottom.

Based on the clarification, she wasn't on the 14th floor, but below it. I still believe her destination was the 4th floor.

0:11 Right when she is about to press the final button on the bottom, the DOOR HOLD button (refer to the picture on my reply post), notice the elevator door about to close.

It is only then when she presses the DOOR HOLD button that the elevator door retracts, and remains open.

0:13 Elisa backs up and waits for the elevator to close as normal. However it takes too long and then she begins to wonder if somebody is outside the hallway preventing the door from closing




0:23 Elisa slowly and cautiously steps forward to investigate the hallway. She carefully lunges out quick to get a quick peek out the hallway - but nobody is outside.

0:25 Elisa steps back into the elevator, bemused at finding nobody outside the hallway. I can imagine right now, her feeling nervous and confused. She wonders to herself, "is it a ghost??" "Is somebody outside the elevator?"

She spooks her self, and backs into the elevator wall, and into the corner


0:39 she musters up the courage again to step out the elevator to see if anybody is outside. Slowly taking cautious steps since there is a hallway on the left and right, and anybody is able to hide around the corner there.


0:57 At this point, security guards in the CCTV monitor room, watching her every move via the CCTV camera in the elevator get concerned, and one of them is dispatched to take the second elevator next to the one Elisa is in up to the mystery floor Elisa is on in this video.

1:12 Elisa stands outside the elevator, back against the wall. She wonders if there is a problem with the elevator sensor and waits to see if it will close if she is out of the elevator




1:27 After waiting for so long for the elevator to work, with no luck - Elisa becomes frustrated and panics. She puts her hands on her head and gets back in the elevator as if to say "oh my god, why isn't this elevator working??"

This is when she gives a second attempt, to press ALL off the buttons again, only on the middle row to see if it will work. Unknowingly, she presses the DOOR HOLD button multiple times, triggering it on and off and on, resetting the door hold timer.




1:56 Elisa steps out the elevator again, and by this time, the security guard using the other elevator beside the one Elisa is in finally reaches up the floor she's on.

He steps out, away from camera view from the 1st elevator and calls out to? Elisa asking what is going on.

Elisa is surprised, and then gestures toward the elevator explaining her dilemma with the elevator not working. The guard asks her how many times she (still figuring out what), and Elisa uses her fingers to count 3 times.



I believe that Elisa Lam was looking for a public shower room that was vacant since the one on the 4th floor was occupied.

The Stay on Main hostel rooms at the Cecil Hotel are on the 4th to 6th floor as I'm told from somebody who stayed there a year ago. There are no showers in those resident rooms, which is why they need to use the public shower rooms located out on the hallway.

She must of been too stubborn to go back to her hotel room to get her glasses, which is why she is seen having trouble seeing the buttons on the elevator, and then taking a gamble to press the entire column hoping she'll get to her 4th floor from the mystery floor, but she unknowingly pressed the DOOR HOLD button as well.
 
I do not really blame him for making them private. And perhaps he is how she heard about this place? Or she hoped to find him from there?

That's true, because based on all the coincidental info it does make him out to be very suspicious, and even seem tied to the case making people assume he was behind it.

Although I messaged M <modsnip> for a reason why he made the video private, which have been unanswered since.
 
A double bass is very different from a bass guitar. A double bass is the big, upright hollow wooden thing shaped like a cello that you see played in classical orchestras or jazz. An electric bass guitar is what this guy is playing.

Thanks for the correction, I should get some better knowledge of music instruments.

It was odd, since I couldn't find any photos of him wearing a bow tie and suspenders. Something he obviously wouldn't be wearing...
 
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