FL - Somer Thompson, 7, Orange Park, 19 Oct 2009 #38

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Kimberlyd125 said:
I found it...this was my post on 10/19 at 9:54 pm

Wow, more than 100 deputies, police and SWAT members. It sounds to me like they are not holding back any stops!!! Thats wonderful.

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IMO they were very serious and very professional from the get go.
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By 9:00 pm (FL time) on Oct. 19th, they had more than 100 deputies, police and SWAT members on the case. I don't think the overtime money was an issue as far as investigation goes.

But I agree with Doc, why hold up all those truck drivers and loads of garbage just on a hunch she may be in one of them? IIRC they did not know she was dead then. They were still looking for her alive.

ETA: and they searched where those trucks were dumped very shortly after.
Finding her on Wednesday when she went missing on Monday was pretty impressive IMO.
 
Dr.Fessel said:
Yes. And it was a long shot still no matter what. Odds are you will not find a missing child in the garbage.
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That's what i have wondered too! Why would you look for a missing child in the garbage? Somebody certainly knew where to look, because that is exactly where Somer was found.
 
Okay, I'm back to confused. If they were looking for her body, they did not think she was alive.
Somer, 7, disappeared while walking home from school on Oct. 19. Sheriff Rick Beseler credited a detective with coming to him early the next morning and suggesting that Dumpsters and trash trucks be searched for her body and items she was carrying.

http://jacksonville.com/community/c..._backup_caused_delay_in_somer_thompson_search


So maybe they did not think she was alive if they were going to search for her body, and bringing in cadaver dogs might have been done after all.
 
Noway said:
Okay, I'm back to confused. If they were looking for her body, they did not think she was alive.
Somer, 7, disappeared while walking home from school on Oct. 19. Sheriff Rick Beseler credited a detective with coming to him early the next morning and suggesting that Dumpsters and trash trucks be searched for her body and items she was carrying.

http://jacksonville.com/community/c..._backup_caused_delay_in_somer_thompson_search


So maybe they did not think she was alive if they were going to search for her body, and bringing in cadaver dogs might have been done after all.
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At that point they had no idea if she was alive or dead but odds would say a missing child is alive. probably odds like 99 percent. They were just covering the bases alive or dead and putting the most resources in searching for her in the most logic outcome, that she was alive and missing.
 
Noway said:
Okay, I'm back to confused. If they were looking for her body, they did not think she was alive.
Somer, 7, disappeared while walking home from school on Oct. 19. Sheriff Rick Beseler credited a detective with coming to him early the next morning and suggesting that Dumpsters and trash trucks be searched for her body and items she was carrying.

http://jacksonville.com/community/c..._backup_caused_delay_in_somer_thompson_search


So maybe they did not think she was alive if they were going to search for her body, and bringing in cadaver dogs might have been done after all.
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Noway:

I've seen it a lot. They look for a live child and a deceased child at the same time. In reality, they were looking for Somer.

IMO the landfill search was not the only search going on at the time. KWIM
 
Dr.Fessel said:
I believe they started collecting trash the next morning after she went missing.
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Then that is quite a few hours after Somer was missing, from say around 3-4pm. the day before to the next morning? Maybe i watch too much reality T.V., but on the show 48hrs., the cops on there reckon a child that has gone missing usually is murdered within the first few hours, so if not found that soon, that child usually turns up dead.As macabre and terrible as that sounds!
 
Dr.Fessel said:
I believe so, and most missing kids are found by their parents.
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I don't normally hear on the news of too many missing children getting found by their parents. Maybe that happens, but we don't generally hear about it to my knowledge, unless we hear about it from someone around where we live, with a neighbours child or something.
 
Kimberlyd125 said:
Noway:

I've seen it a lot. They look for a live child and a deceased child at the same time. In reality, they were looking for Somer.

IMO the landfill search was not the only search going on at the time. KWIM
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That is what i meant by my previous post. They had those other search dogs there, so why not cadaver dogs too, just in case?
 
angelswatchoverthem said:
Then that is quite a few hours after Somer was missing, from say around 3-4pm. the day before to the next morning? Maybe i watch too much reality T.V., but on the show 48hrs., the cops on there reckon a child that has gone missing usually is murdered within the first few hours, so if not found that soon, that child usually turns up dead.As macabre and terrible as that sounds!
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Nope, your argument is wrong there and I will show why. Most missing kids are not murdered.

If they are murdered they are usually murdered within the first few hours is a true statement I have heard but it is not if they are missing for a few hours then the odds are they have been murdered.
 
angelswatchoverthem said:
I don't normally hear on the news of too many missing children getting found by their parents. Maybe that happens, but we don't generally hear about it to my knowledge, unless we hear about it from someone around where we live, with a neighbours child or something.
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That is for two reasons you do not hear about it.

1. Most missing children are not reported to the police, the parents or family just go look for them.

2. If they are reported missing to the police and then found fairly quickly it never makes it to the news.
 
Dr.Fessel said:
Nope, your argument is wrong there and I will show why. Most missing kids are not murdered.

If they are murdered they are usually murdered within the first few hours is a true statement I have heard but it is not if they are missing for a few hours then the odds are they have been murdered.
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Dr. Fess, I am not really arguing here, just going by what i know, and that is just from simple observation. Most of the "missing child" cases we hear about on the news don't normally have a happy outcome, and i wish they all did.
And yeah, by the next morning and still no Somer, then i am sure it was much more serious than a child just missing for a couple of hours. Even all through the night, a parent would be worried sick, and beside themselves, IMO.
 
angelswatchoverthem said:
Dr. Fess, I am not really arguing here, just going by what i know, and that is just from simple observation. Most of the "missing child" cases we hear about on the news don't normally have a happy outcome, and i wish they all did.
And yeah, by the next morning and still no Somer, then i am sure it was much more serious than a child just missing for a couple of hours. Even all through the night, a parent would be worried sick, and beside themselves, IMO.
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No, I did not mean you were arguing, I used the term argument in the context of arugment/theory/speech.

You are right the more time that went by the more serious it became but it did not mean the odds of her being murdered went up significantly in that time period. Odds were she was still alive.

Now if they had evidence harm had come to her in the way of blood or something the odds would have changed dramatically and we might have seen the search continue at the transfer station.

argument definition

ar·gu·ment (är′gyo̵̅o̅ mənt, -gyə-)

noun

1. Archaic proof or evidence
2. a reason or reasons offered for or against something
3. the offering of such reasons; reasoning

http://www.yourdictionary.com/argument
 
Dr.Fessel said:
No, I did not mean you were arguing, I used the term argument in the context of arugment/theory/speech.

You are right the more time that went by the more serious it became but it did not mean the odds of her being murdered went up significantly in that time period. Odds were she was still alive.

Now if they had evidence harm had come to her in the way of blood or something the odds would have changed dramatically and we might have seen the search continue at the transfer station.
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Sorry, i misunderstood you then!
I guess if i had a child missing, i would be imagining all kinds of terrible things happened, even though trying to stay optimistic. My hunch would of been that someone took her and had her in a car, and was driving far away from the scene, if they were contemplating "no good", with that child. Staying close by with an abducted child you would think would be far too risky for the abductor/kidnapper, knowing once the alert was placed there would be L.E. everywhere.
 
Is anybody watching news4jax?

Harrell's "controversial step-father", JN, is being featured right now. He wrote a letter to Adam Landau [reporter at news4jax.]

Copy of letter available online at www.news4jax.com . Adam is not sure why JN decided to contact him specifically.
 
LFlorida said:
Is anybody watching news4jax?

Harrell's "controversial step-father", JN, is being featured right now. He wrote a letter to Adam Landau [reporter at news4jax.]
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Oh, lovely.:crazy:
 
Video: Harrell Pleads Not Guilty On 55 Charges
http://www.news4jax.com/video/22801775/index.html

UPDATED Court Documents:
PDF: Jarred Harrell Jail Documents (Early March)
http://www.news4jax.com/download/2010/0310/22801127.pdf

PDF: Jarred Harrell Jail Documents (February)
http://www.news4jax.com/download/2010/0301/22708448.pdf

PDF: New Arrest Report: Harrell Charged With Molestation
http://www.news4jax.com/download/2010/0224/22661218.pdf

PDF: Harrell - Clay County Booking Sheet
http://www.news4jax.com/download/2010/0224/22656983.pdf

PDF: Harrell - Mississippi Rendition Warrant
http://www.news4jax.com/download/2010/0223/22639648.pdf
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Harrell's charging document, filed Tuesday, revealed he is now facing 26 counts stemming from 12 photos and one video police say they found in a camera in Harrell's Callahan home. He also faces 29 counts of possession.
OFFICIAL CHARGING PAPERS (WARNING: DETAILS ARE GRAPHIC AND EXPLICIT)
http://download.gannett.edgesuite.net/wtlv/docs/030910_Harrell.pdf
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Video: Harrell: New Charges 3/10/10 1:35
Jarred Harrell, the person of interest in the murder of Somer Thompson, faces additional charges.
http://www.actionnewsjax.com/mediacenter/local.aspx?videoId=36844@wtev.dayport.com&navCatId=5

Video: Harrell Pleads Not Guilty 3/10/10 2:03
Jarred Harrell, the person of interest in Somer Thompson's murder, pled "not guilty" to 55 counts of possessing child *advertiser censored*, making child *advertiser censored* and molestation Wednesday morning.
http://www.actionnewsjax.com/mediacenter/local.aspx?videoId=36848@wtev.dayport.com&navCatId=5

Video: Harrell: Not Guilty Plea 3/10/10 2:40
JARRED HARRELL HAS PLED NOT GUILTY TO CHILD *advertiser censored* CHARGES
http://www.actionnewsjax.com/mediacenter/local.aspx?videoId=36851@wtev.dayport.com&navCatId=5

Video: Harrell: Not guilty plea 3/10/10 1:29
Jarred Harrell made an appearance in court on Wednesday to offer a plea of not guilty to 55 counts of child molestation and *advertiser censored*
http://www.actionnewsjax.com/mediacenter/local.aspx?videoId=36856@wtev.dayport.com&navCatId=5
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Harrell's Ex-Stepdad Talks Somer Case
Joseph Newman Writes Letter To Channel 4 About Former Stepson
POSTED: Thursday, March 11, 2010
UPDATED: 4:00 pm EST March 11, 2010
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Joseph Newman, who made headlines more than 20 years ago for marrying Jarred Harrell's mother and for marrying his 8-year-old sister, sent a one-page letter to Channel 4 talking about his former stepson and Somer Thompson.

In the letter Newman sent to Channel 4's Adam Landau in response, he said, "During the short time I was with Jarred, I found a child that was wanting love and guidance. I tried to give that to him." Newman also wrote, "I hope Jarred is not guilty of killing the sweet Somer girl. I personally would not have thought the Jarred I knew capable of doing such. I hope all involved will make absolute proof he is guilty before damning him."

The letter also addresses Harrell's mother's fight for custody. "I was in court in (Harrell's mother) Annis' behalf to keep Jarred's father from getting the children," Newman wrote. "While I was on the stand, God did such an astounding miracle that the judge dismissed the court. The attorney who was representing Jarred's father walked out of the court saying that he no longer represented him."

PDF Document: Letter By Jarred Harrell's Ex-Stepdad To Channel 4
http://www.news4jax.com/download/2010/0311/22811825.pdf

Article:
http://www.news4jax.com/news/22811454/detail.html

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