Forensic Astrology - LINDSEY BAUM missing McCleary,WA 6/26/09 #2

[Knox]

What is weird & outrageous to a child Lindsey's age is different from what might be classed that way by us. Goths and disaffected teenagers, for example, were types she already knew. To a ten year old girl, the identity of her attacker might deeply shock her, someone she would never have believed that of. Also the specifics of the manner of attack could seem outrageous. The people you mention who are sleuthing are a couple of levels of abstraction above such details and particulars when they think and talk about trafficking, rape, murder, abduction.

Thought process

In [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophy"]philosophical terminology[/ame], abstraction is the [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thinking"]thought process[/ame] wherein [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idea"]ideas[/ame] are distanced from objects. Abstraction uses a [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategy"]strategy[/ame] of simplification, wherein formerly concrete details are left ambiguous, vague, or undefined.


Thank you Tuba, I was unsure how to interpret your last sentence, so I looked up abstraction. If I am off the mark on the use of the word as you intended please correct me.


In sleuthing the who, what and how of Lindsey's disappearance how can we better direct our sleuthing efforts? I haven't posted recently, but I still think about this case daily. The list of POI's seems endless and many, when looked at within the context of what we know of the case, could fit as the perp. Are we overlooking something the charts are telling us?

 

[concentric]

OK, so something like human trafficking is "too abstract." For me that means: "too removed" from the immediate or familiar.
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Fooled--never thought that person could do that--outrageous to her? For me those descriptors point to: a wolf in sheep's clothing. And that we have been discussing from the beginning.

Have you ever been acquainted with someone who exhibited every sign of being a good, kind person, then when they got you alone, suddenly became a horrible monster? I had that experience and I think sometimes that I might not have survived the situation. It is such a shock (outrageous) your brain is trying to process it, and can't right away--psychologically renders you incapable of acting defensively.
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Or, do I have it wrong?

 

[butterfly1978]

OK, so something like human trafficking is "too abstract." For me that means: "too removed" from the immediate or familiar.
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Fooled--never thought that person could do that--outrageous to her? For me those descriptors point to: a wolf in sheep's clothing. And that we have been discussing from the beginning.

Have you ever been acquainted with someone who exhibited every sign of being a good, kind person, then when they got you alone, suddenly became a horrible monster? I had that experience and I think sometimes that I might not have survived the situation. It is such a shock (outrageous) your brain is trying to process it, and can't right away--psychologically renders you incapable of acting defensively.
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Or, do I have it wrong?

Yes I have been in that situation and honestly I still am the problem is the wolf in sheeps clothing is my BFF husband who is also the pastor of a local church, and its hard especially when you can't say anything for fear that no one will believe you. I wonder if this is what happened with Lindsey, I recall in her myspace status her stating she had a feeling something bad was going to happen. I wonder if she could have been living this. I am an adult and its difficult for me to live with I couldn't imagine a child.

 

[razzberry]

Yes I have been in that situation and honestly I still am the problem is the wolf in sheeps clothing is my BFF husband who is also the pastor of a local church, and its hard especially when you can't say anything for fear that no one will believe you. I wonder if this is what happened with Lindsey, I recall in her myspace status her stating she had a feeling something bad was going to happen. I wonder if she could have been living this. I am an adult and its difficult for me to live with I couldn't imagine a child.

Butterfly,
Im not sure what you are trying to tell us in your post but it seems like your saying you are in a situation that is unsafe, or unhappy, or forced to keep secrets. I encourage you to carefully consider what is the cost to self you are paying by staying in this marriage. I also encourage you to find the strength to face whatever it is that makes you stay and form a plan to leave, or if your able to repair the problem no matter what others may or may not believe, you know your personal truths. I hope that you will trust in God to guide you in your decision. Good luck and hugs, I hope you will someday be the butterfly you have chosen as your name.

 

[Knox]

Razzberry I think Butterfly is talking about her best friend's husband, not her own.

 

[Angel Who Cares]

8-year-old boy finds human remains near Cowlitz River
Story Published: Feb 19, 2010 at 8:36 AM PST
Story Updated: Feb 19, 2010 at 6:27 PM PST
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An 8-year-old boy came upon human remains while playing in a brushy area near the Cowlitz River on Thursday afternoon.

Now investigators are trying to determine who the person is and how the remains got there.

The grisly discovery was made around 3:30 p.m. Thursday in the 100 block of Cougar Lane, Lewis County sheriff's deputies said.

There are several missing women and children in southwest Washington, and many people are asking if these remains could be connected to any of those cases - particularly the missing McCleary girl, Lindsey Baum.

But so far, authorities don't see a connection between these remains and Baum or any of those cases.

"This does not appear to be Lindsey Baum. No, this is not a child," says Stacy Brown of the Lewis County Sheriff's Office.

Investigators say the bones are likely those of a man - but at this time, no one is certain.

Police investigate the site where human remains were found near the Cowlitz River at Toledo, Wash.

Article:
http://www.komonews.com/news/84777457.html
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Child finds human remains on SW Wash. property
Posted on February 19, 2010 at 9:30 AM
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A child playing outside found human remains near Toledo, Washington Thursday afternoon.

Lewis County Sheriff&#8217;s detectives were searching the area Friday.

No further details were released.

View larger map: Human remains found
http://www.kgw.com/home/Child-finds...-property-84782562.html?map=y&id=84805872&c=y

Article:
http://www.kgw.com/home/Child-finds-human-remains-on-SW-Wash-property-84782562.html
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8-year-old boy finds human remains in rural Washington
February 19, 2010, 12:15PM
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An 8-year-old boy out playing Thursday in rural Lewis County discovered skeletal remains.

Seattle's KOMO-TV has the story:

Aerial footage of the scene captured by KOMO News' Air 4 shows detectives combing the area with cadaver dogs. A search team also can be seen forming up near the rural site.

Grays Harbor County Undersheriff Rick Scott said authorities do not have any indication that the remains might belong to Lindsey Baum, the young girl who disappeared June 26 in the small town of McCleary, about 50 miles away.

Article:
http://blog.oregonlive.com/nwheadlines/2010/02/8-year-old_boy_finds_human_rem.html

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[justaparent]

Am wondering if this is Nancy Moyer, missing since 3/8/09. Last seen leaving her job in Olympia. She lived in Tenino.

I don't know if her case has been talked about much, I only know about it because my daughter moved to the area and I'm a paranoid mom ;-)

 

[FifthEssence]

Am wondering if this is Nancy Moyer, missing since 3/8/09. Last seen leaving her job in Olympia. She lived in Tenino.

I don't know if her case has been talked about much, I only know about it because my daughter moved to the area and I'm a paranoid mom ;-)

TUBA posted several times in our CASE BRIEFINGS THREAD regarding Nancy Moyer.
Link below to thread-start on last page and work your backward through the various case posts.
[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=79041"]Forensic Astrology - CASE BRIEFINGS only - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]

 

[justaparent]

Thanks, FifthEssence

I haven't been able to get through all of the threads, so am glad to have the link to info about her. People are searching for her again today.

 

[razzberry]

Razzberry I think Butterfly is talking about her best friend's husband, not her own.

Oh my goodness,
Im sorry I read it wrong Butterfly.

 

[Angel Who Cares]

Mom Searching For Missing McCleary Daughter Ordered To Pay Back Unemployment
Posted: 6:25 pm PST February 22, 2010
Updated: 6:52 pm PST February 22, 2010
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Melissa Baum took three months unpaid leave from her job as a call center operator and then filed for unemployment when her employer said she could not return to work part-time.

Baum left her job so she could assist in the search for her daughter, Lindsey, who has been missing from McCleary since June 26. &#8220;We discussed it when I did my initial interview for unemployment. They all knew what was going on, they approved me, I started getting unemployment,&#8221; Baum said.

The checks came for five weeks then just before Christmas the state said she was ineligible and asked her to send a $1,000 back. &#8220;I paid into unemployment, I earned the unemployment and now they're saying I can't have it,&#8221; Baum said.

Baum and her 13-year-old son just moved to the town of Rainier to live with relatives. She said she can no longer afford the rent for the house in McCleary where she knows her missing daughter is trying to get home to. &#8220;It's very hard, extremely, and I put it off as long as I possibly could. I don't want to do it, but I don't have a choice,&#8221; Baum said.

She said she also doesn&#8217;t have the $1,000 the state of Washington is demanding her to pay back from unemployment benefits. &#8220;It's just one more battle that I just don't have the time or energy to fight.&#8221; Baum said.

Video: Mom Gave Up Job To Search For Missing Daughter 2:37
http://www.kirotv.com/video/22639550/

Article:
http://www.kirotv.com/news/22639498/detail.html
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Mother of missing McCleary girl facing money troubles
Posted on February 23, 2010 at 11:59 AM
Updated today at 3:24 PM
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Melissa says after several months of unpaid leave, her request to return to work part time was denied. So she says she filed for and received unemployment for about five weeks, until she got a notice. "I received $1,125. And they want $1,000 of it back," she said.

Melissa says she just doesn't have the money right now. In fact, she can no longer pay the rent at the McCleary house she hopes Lindsey will return to one day. So she and her son recently moved in with relatives.

She says she still can't return to work full time since she's committed to finding Lindsey, and her son, who has Asberger's syndrome, continues to struggle with his sister's disappearance. "I didn't quit working because I wanted a vacation," said Melissa.

The spokesperson for the state's employment security department say confidentiality laws prevent them from commenting on this or any other case, but Melissa says the system just isn't designed to help parents whose children are missing. "It's a situation that I have no control over. But at the same time, it's not something they have precedence for. They have to go by the laws," she said.

Video: Mother of missing McCleary girl facing money troubles 2:10
http://www.king5.com/video?id=85075667&sec=548792

Article:
http://www.king5.com/news/local/Mother-of-missing-McCleary-girl-forced-out-of-her-home-85075667.html

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[breanna]

I would agree Melissa doesn't have the energy to fight this. It's just another battle that she can't win. And one more thing for her to deal with. If it's not one thing, it's another.

This whole case is just so sad, IMHO.

 

[kageykaren]

Angel Who Cares, One of our members left the 3 news channel links reporting on the story of Lindsey's mothers rental being searched. The new investigative team felt a need to take one more look. I thought you might want to link those. Any case movement I pray is in a positive step to the recovery of Lindsey. There may be more current news on right as we speak.

 

[Tuba]

Thank you, kagey. As you can well imagine, I am all for this. IMO, this is progress.

 

[kageykaren]

Yes Tuba I know as you know my :heart: I have felt that since Dec. authorities of all kinds have been applying pressure on the mother. It hasn't appeared that LE, the mother have any love lost. This is what has given me the ongoing red flags. The blatant form of ill manners radiating off the last pressor by LE (IMO) towards the mother reminded me of a Scott Peterson moment. Something seemed vacant in the mother. Which could mean so many things related to the good bad & the ugly of the case. Maybe the act of search by LE was to cross the mother off a list as they go to all homes on their list. Maybe it is to apply pressure forcing someone else to come forward. Maybe hazmet suits and all it is nothing alarmig and just routine. That darn speculation just gets in the way! LOL! Could a timed chart for the search be done?
Why is my heart telling me different everytime I try to be mainstream in my thoughts concerninnng this case? Better leave this question for the psychiatrist!LOL! Thanks Tuba something needed to happen in this case or it wouldn't be happenning. I wonder if this was a surprise visit?

 

[Angel Who Cares]

FBI Searches Home Of Missing McCleary Girl Before Family Moves
Posted: 3:23 pm PST February 26, 2010
Updated: 5:49 pm PST February 26, 2010
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The FBI is searching the home of a missing McCleary girl one last time before her family moves out.

Lindsey Baum&#8217;s family is moving to Rainier and Grays Harbor County Undersheriff Rick Scott said it&#8217;s the last chance to obtain samples of the old house before someone new moves in.

Scott said Friday's search was planned and is part of the FBI's review of the county's investigation.

Investigators are taking samples of carpet and other items inside the home to put into an evidence library in case they are ever needed for comparison. They are also doing a final search of Lindsey&#8217;s room which hasn&#8217;t been touched since she vanished, Scott said.

Samples are also being collected from Melissa Baum&#8217;s car, Lindsey&#8217;s mother, for possible future use.

Scott said the search and collecting samples are routine and that there are no new tips or information in the case.

Lindsey's family has two Web sites with information: http://lindseybaum.com/ and http://findlindseybaum.com/.

Video: Why Investigation Into Missing McCleary Girl Is Starting Over
http://www.kirotv.com/video/22360719/index.html

Article:
http://www.kirotv.com/news/22687279/detail.html
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:clap: McCleary Mom Does Not Have To Pay Back Unemployment :clap:
Posted: 5:39 pm PST February 26, 2010
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Baum took three months unpaid leave from her job as a call center operator and then filed for unemployment when her employer said she could not return to work part-time. Baum left her job so she could assist in the search for her daughter who has been missing since June 26.

The checks came for five weeks then just before Christmas the state said she was ineligible and asked her to send a $1,000 back.

A top official with the Employment Security Division reached out to Melissa Baum after our story and said does not have to repay the money, but she remains ineligible for unemployment because she left work to search for her daughter and care for her son.

Video: Mom Gave Up Job To Search For Missing Daughter
http://www.kirotv.com/video/22639550/index.html

Article:
http://www.kirotv.com/news/22688415/detail.html
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FBI conducts new search at Lindsey Baum home
Story Published: Feb 26, 2010 at 3:27 PM PST
Story Updated: Feb 26, 2010 at 6:48 PM PST
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There is no new evidence or new tips that brought the FBI to the home where Lindsey was living before her nationally publicized disappearance last June. Rather, investigators want to take a last chance to gather material from the home before Lindsey's mother, Melissa Baum, moves out of McCleary for good.

Grays Harbor County Undersheriff Rick Scott said Lindsey's room has been preserved untouched in the home since the evening of June 26, when she vanished while walking home from a friend's home. Now that Lindsey's mother is moving in with relatives in Thurston County, investigators want to take this last opportunity to gather fibers, hair samples and other evidence from the home.

"An outside review of the investigation into the disappearance suggested another review of the home be made by CSI specialists, and the FBI team was available today," Undersheriff Scott told KOMO News.

He said the home has been searched at least three times before. This time, forensics experts will be taking samples of carpet, furniture, hair strands, materials in the family car and anything else that might help them if that type of evidence is ever needed.

"In the sad eventuality that her remains were found, detectives would have controlled samples to eliminate any trace evidence which might have come from the home rather than from any other source," Scott said.

Scott said there are no suspects at this time, and nothing should be read into Friday's search other than that the landlord may want to recarpet and repaint and make other changes to the house when Lindsey's mother moves. So this is investigators' last chance to conduct a search before the home is refurbished.


Investigators in special suits prepare to gather samples Friday from the Baum home in McCleary.

Article:
http://www.komonews.com/news/85571172.html
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FBI searches home of missing McCleary girl
Posted on February 26, 2010 at 2:27 PM
Updated yesterday at 7:04 PM
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FBI agents on Friday searched the home of Lindsey Baum, the 11-year-old girl who has been missing since June 2009, according to the Grays Harbor County Sheriff's Office.

The sheriff's office said area residents were told recently that they would see an increase in activity and searching of additional sites.

Friday's search was not the result of a search warrant. The sheriff's office says Lindsey's mother, Melissa, allowed the agents to come inside. An evidence detection team showed up to give the house one last look to make sure nothing was missed.

The Baum family had been renting the home, but just moved out.

Slideshow: FBI searches home of missing McCleary girl
http://www.nwcn.com/news/slideshows...Cleary-girl-85558007.html?gallery=y&c=y&ref=/

Video: FBI searches home of missing McCleary girl 1:26
http://www.nwcn.com/video?id=85558007&sec=551977

Article:
http://www.nwcn.com/news/washington/FBI-searching-home-of-missing-McCleary-girl-85558007.html

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[Angel Who Cares]

Feds conduct search of Baum home
Saturday, February 27, 2010 1:38 PM PST
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On the eight-month anniversary of Lindsey&#8217;s disappearance, Undersheriff Rick Scott said FBI investigators and crime scene analysts made one last sweep through the house for evidence and DNA samples. &#8220;I wanted to make sure we looked at it one more time,&#8221; Scott said.

Investigators blocked off Mommsen Road in front of the Baum home and loaded evidence into a trailer. Some donned white jumpsuits complete with boots, gloves and hoods to prevent the corruption of any evidence. &#8220;They don&#8217;t want to cross contaminate the scene,&#8221; Scott said.

After several months of searching, detectives recently requested a third-party review of the investigation by child abduction experts with the FBI. Investigators have searched the house thoroughly on multiple occasions, Scott said, but making one last search of the house for &#8220;control samples&#8221; of DNA and other evidence was part of the review. &#8220;It was one of the many things that was recommended we do,&#8221; he said.

Scott said Lindsey&#8217;s mother, Melissa Baum, is in the process of moving in with relatives in Thurston County. Melissa Baum told KIRO 7 News she had not been able to return to work part-time since Lindsey&#8217;s disappearance and had lost her unemployment benefits. Investigators asked Melissa Baum to hold off on packing some things until they could make a final search, Scott said. They also asked her to let them search her car.

Scott said investigators are also preparing to act on the other recommendations they received from the review. Neighboring law enforcement agencies will be sending officers to help with the new &#8220;push&#8221; for information.

Forensic investigators loaded potential evidence into a trailer during a final search of missing Lindsey Baum's home in McCleary. Investigator wore jumpsuits to prevent contaminating any evidence as they collected DNA samples and any remaining evidence before Lindsey's mother, Melissa Baum, packs to stay with family in Thurston County.

Article:
http://www.thedailyworld.com/articles/2010/02/27/local_news/doc4b8958c464443073788119.txt

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[FifthEssence]

Authorities hit the streets
BY JACOB JONES - The Daily World
Tuesday, March 2, 2010 2:10 PM PST
http://www.thedailyworld.com/articles/2010/03/02/local_news/doc4b8d73a0ad350595677110.txt

Federal and local authorities launched a new push for clues in the disappearance of 11-year-old Lindsey Baum on Monday as teams of investigators returned to the McCleary street where she was last seen.

Like door-to-door salesmen in blue windbreakers, FBI agents and local officers spent the day systematically knocking on the doors along Maple Street, greeting many residents with questions that had been asked before.

Grays Harbor Undersheriff Rick Scott said detectives and federal agents intend to re-question many people along the neighborhood street as part of a larger review of the investigation.

 

[Tuba]

By 1:38 p.m., reporters had filed the story of the house search, February 27. I have failed in my efforts to locate a time the search began. Some neighbors know and some concerned people will know and the time will eventually be provided, I hope. It was a pregnant day, approaching the full of the Moon and Mercury was conjunct Neptune, opposed by a late Leo Moon. Someone was confused and deluded but we cannot identify the party as we have no wheel of Houses. It could very well be the neighbors who are making faulty assumptions! The Full Moon, nonetheless, will shed light in a few hours on the evidence collected inside. What was found & analysed may not be shared, however.

 

[Jules71]

By 1:38 p.m., reporters had filed the story of the house search, February 27. I have failed in my efforts to locate a time the search began. Some neighbors know and some concerned people will know and the time will eventually be provided, I hope. It was a pregnant day, approaching the full of the Moon and Mercury was conjunct Neptune, opposed by a late Leo Moon. Someone was confused and deluded but we cannot identify the party as we have no wheel of Houses. It could very well be the neighbors who are making faulty assumptions! The Full Moon, nonetheless, will shed light in a few hours on the evidence collected inside. What was found & analysed may not be shared, however.

I posted this on the other thread also:

Originally Posted by Tuba
Saturday, 27 February, the last examination and sweep of the house on Mommsen as the Baums leave town. When did the search team arrive at that house on the 27th?

Tuba,
The search was done on the 26th and reported on the 27th, I believe:


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Forensic investigators made a final search of missing Lindsey Baum&#8217;s McCleary home Friday as her mother prepares to move out amid financial problems.

On the eight-month anniversary of Lindsey&#8217;s disappearance, Undersheriff Rick Scott said FBI investigators and crime scene analysts made one last sweep through the house for evidence and DNA samples.

Does this change anything for you?