The witness is also suffering from a serious life threatening illness and stood by his original testimony without making any substantial alteration. The court will also take that on board too.
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Germany/Portugal - Christian Brueckner, 27 @ time of 1st crime (2004), charged with sexual assault crimes, Praia de Rocha, Portugal. #3
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He wouldn't have even needed to say that. It wouldn't have been an expectation. These are professional people who know the law.
The idea that the Defence - and I don't know where that idea has even come from? Where has it come from? Was it the Olive Press? Because it sounds exactly like the 'evil fiend's evil conniving Defence' bullcrap the OliveP is notorious for - would think the presiding judge would allow questioning in court of a serving SY OG police officer about a case that has nothing to do with the trial in hand is ludicrous. It would not happen.
Can we not just respect both sides as doing their professional jobs, rather than going down the agenda-led tabloid route of ridiculing one to big up the other.
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Actually the defence did ask him and he denied answering about the MM case
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You'd of thought from the outset he'd confirm he'd not be answering about OG and MM.
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Nick Pisa of the Mail said in his piece dated 12th April, a source close to the defence.
A source close to the legal team said: 'We will be calling the British police from Operation Grange to give evidence – especially those officers that talked to Mr Helge Busching.
British cops on McCann case will be asked to testify in German trial
The sensational development could mean for the first time detectives from Scotland Yard who have been investigating the 2007 disappearance of Madeleine will have to disclose what they know.
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Behind the paywall , any one give a summary?
www.braunschweiger-zeitung.de
Christian B.: Göttingen judges decide on reopening.
Braunschweig. He wants to challenge his Braunschweig rape conviction from 2019. A “Maddie” investigator is testifying in the ongoing trial.
Christian B.: Göttinger Richter lehnen Wiederaufnahme ab
2019 wurde er vom Landgericht Braunschweig wegen Vergewaltigung zu 7 Jahren Haft verurteilt. Das Urteil will er anfechten. Im laufenden Prozess sagt ein „Maddie-“Ermittler aus und säht Zweifel am Kronzeugen Helge B..
www.braunschweiger-zeitung.de
Christian B.: Göttingen judges decide on reopening.
Braunschweig. He wants to challenge his Braunschweig rape conviction from 2019. A “Maddie” investigator is testifying in the ongoing trial.
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And so? The defence asked and the witness responded, and that was the end of that.
Don't forget that it's the prosecution that has involved MM here. They're the ones who publicly named CB as both abductor and murderer of MM with absolutely nothing to show for it almost 4 years after making this claim. This trial would not even be on our radar were it not for that. The defence knows this and is entitled to use that 'lack' for its own ends.
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It’s about the DM case FF wanted to reopen, but it doesn’t look Goodson FFBehind the paywall , any one give a summary?
Christian B.: Göttinger Richter lehnen Wiederaufnahme ab
2019 wurde er vom Landgericht Braunschweig wegen Vergewaltigung zu 7 Jahren Haft verurteilt. Das Urteil will er anfechten. Im laufenden Prozess sagt ein „Maddie-“Ermittler aus und säht Zweifel am Kronzeugen Helge B..
Christian B.: Göttingen judges decide on reopening.
Braunschweig. He wants to challenge his Braunschweig rape conviction from 2019. A “Maddie” investigator is testifying in the ongoing trial.
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The next date for the trial is 15 of may. The others were cancelled, possibly because of the rejection of the defense's motion for retrial in the case of the rape of D. Menkes in 2019.
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„Proceedings before the 2nd Criminal Chamber in connection with five offenses against sexual self-determination - file number 2 KLs 213 Js 52790/18 (15/22) - cancellation of dates
The Presiding Judge of the 2nd Criminal Chamber has canceled the continuation dates for Friday, 03.05.2024 and Wednesday, 08.05.2024.
The next continuation date is scheduled for
Wednesday, 15.05.2024, at 09:00 a.m «
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„Proceedings before the 2nd Criminal Chamber in connection with five offenses against sexual self-determination - file number 2 KLs 213 Js 52790/18 (15/22) - cancellation of dates
The Presiding Judge of the 2nd Criminal Chamber has canceled the continuation dates for Friday, 03.05.2024 and Wednesday, 08.05.2024.
The next continuation date is scheduled for
Wednesday, 15.05.2024, at 09:00 a.m «
It was not for the witness to pre-empt what questions would be put to him the extraordinary thing is that the questions on an active police investigation were asked at all. Bearing in mind there was no relevance to the five cases being tried.
Thank you for that information.Behind the paywall , any one give a summary?
Christian B.: Göttinger Richter lehnen Wiederaufnahme ab
2019 wurde er vom Landgericht Braunschweig wegen Vergewaltigung zu 7 Jahren Haft verurteilt. Das Urteil will er anfechten. Im laufenden Prozess sagt ein „Maddie-“Ermittler aus und säht Zweifel am Kronzeugen Helge B..
Christian B.: Göttingen judges decide on reopening.
Braunschweig. He wants to challenge his Braunschweig rape conviction from 2019. A “Maddie” investigator is testifying in the ongoing trial.
As I see it there already was a procedure in place for appealing convictions and CB had already made use of it and failed. Neither the actual court proceedings nor the witnesses were challenged in this appeal. They went for a procedural issue instead claiming that his extradition from Italy had been unlawful.
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"The 6th Criminal Senate of the Federal Court of Justice had submitted the legal question to the European Court of Justice as to whether the principle of mutual legal assistance as defined in European law opposed the specialty of conviction.
" The court statement added: "The Court of Justice denied this with a judgment of September 24, 2020. Since the appellate review of the judgment of the Regional Court of Braunschweig — apart from a clarification of the sentence formula — did not reveal any legal error to the detriment of the accused, the Senate rejected his appeal as unfounded in accordance with the motion of the Attorney General. The aforementioned judgment is therefore final."
Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brueckner to stay jailed at least till 2026 for raping 72-year-old woman
The convict had appealed the rape conviction in a technicality, he can now only apply for parole from 2023
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Thanks Hygge, seems strange to cancel an ongoing case for a rejection of another case, one presumes any witnesses due to testify on the cancelled dates are readily available on other dates.
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Thank you for this info! Changing my notes....
The rejection was related to the legality of the EAW, and as such was nothing to do with the actual rape conviction.Thank you for that information.
As I see it there already was a procedure in place for appealing convictions and CB had already made use of it and failed. Neither the actual court proceedings nor the witnesses were challenged in this appeal. They went for a procedural issue instead claiming that his extradition from Italy had been unlawful.
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"The 6th Criminal Senate of the Federal Court of Justice had submitted the legal question to the European Court of Justice as to whether the principle of mutual legal assistance as defined in European law opposed the specialty of conviction.
" The court statement added: "The Court of Justice denied this with a judgment of September 24, 2020. Since the appellate review of the judgment of the Regional Court of Braunschweig — apart from a clarification of the sentence formula — did not reveal any legal error to the detriment of the accused, the Senate rejected his appeal as unfounded in accordance with the motion of the Attorney General. The aforementioned judgment is therefore final."
Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brueckner to stay jailed at least till 2026 for raping 72-year-old woman
The convict had appealed the rape conviction in a technicality, he can now only apply for parole from 2023
As far as I'm aware he never lodged an appeal against his conviction, only the right of the court to hold the trial in the first place. There were probably no grounds for such an appeal.
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Wasn’t there an expert expected?
« As the third additional witness, Brückner's defender Dr. Dennis Bock (45) requested to invite an expert. She has considerable doubts about a BKA report that assigns a hair to the accused that was found at the scene of the rape in Praia da Luz in 2004. For this act, Brückner was sentenced to seven years in prison in 2019, which he is currently serving in the JVA Sehnde. »
Christian Brückner: Verwanzte das BKA die Zelle des Maddie-Verdächtigen?
Die Verteidiger von Christian Brückner (47) werfen der Staatsanwaltschaft vor, nicht über brisante Maßnahmen informiert worden zu sein.
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Could be that, I suppose one of the press will reveal the reason.Wasn’t there an expert expected?
« As the third additional witness, Brückner's defender Dr. Dennis Bock (45) requested to invite an expert. She has considerable doubts about a BKA report that assigns a hair to the accused that was found at the scene of the rape in Praia da Luz in 2004. For this act, Brückner was sentenced to seven years in prison in 2019, which he is currently serving in the JVA Sehnde. »
Christian Brückner: Verwanzte das BKA die Zelle des Maddie-Verdächtigen?
Die Verteidiger von Christian Brückner (47) werfen der Staatsanwaltschaft vor, nicht über brisante Maßnahmen informiert worden zu sein.
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The headline talks of a rejection.Behind a paywall.
www.braunschweiger-zeitung.de
03.05.2024, 09:40 Uhr • Lesezeit: 3 Minuten
Christian B.: Göttingen judges reject reopening
Christian B.: Göttinger Richter lehnen Wiederaufnahme ab
2019 wurde er vom Landgericht Braunschweig wegen Vergewaltigung zu 7 Jahren Haft verurteilt. Das Urteil will er anfechten. Im laufenden Prozess sagt ein „Maddie-“Ermittler aus und säht Zweifel am Kronzeugen Helge B..
www.braunschweiger-zeitung.de
03.05.2024, 09:40 Uhr • Lesezeit: 3 Minuten
Christian B.: Göttingen judges reject reopening
There is a record of CB's defence team resorting to procedural issues rather than going through due process as we have seen with the delays resulting from his defenders' efforts to have him released without facing trial.
The current five serial sexual charges would not have been heard in a court room had the jurisdiction ploy been found of relevance.
Prime suspect has rape allegations against him dropped
Court in Germany drops trial, saying it did not have jurisdiction over case of Christian Brueckner, who is accused of rape in Portugal
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/madeleine-mccann-suspect-rape-allegations-dropped-b2323453.htmlNevertheless when CB became eligible for parole it was denied. Probably because he was deemed to be a proven flight risk as well as his record marking him as a continued danger to society.
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CB, a German national, became eligible for parole after serving half his sentence in the northern city of Kiel.
But a panel denied the request because they deemed he would commit further offences if released, according to The Daily Mirror.
The application was heard in private in Oldenburg, Lower Saxony, on April 21.
A spokesperson for the Oldenburg District Court said: "The court ruled there were no grounds for suspending the remainder of the sentence."
Brueckner, 43, will now remain locked up until at least May 2023, the next time a parole application can be made.
Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brueckner denied parole
It comes as Brueckner reportedly claims he was having sex with a woman in his camper van at the time of the three-year-old's disappearance
www.telegraph.co.uk