Germany/Portugal - Christian Brueckner, 27 @ time of 1st crime (2004), charged with sexual assault crimes, Praia de Rocha, Portugal. #3

[Mex]

The request to reopen is based on the RNA evidence. Previously it’s been reported that the hair was found in DM’s bed. This latest article states it was her couch.

In relation to the appeal to EHR, that appeal was based purely on the process, in that CB was extradited on drugs charges (from Italy) but was then charged for rape. That appeal did fail, I am not sure if there is an option to request the case to be reopened for a different reason but as FF is trying, there must be a possibility even if a remote one.

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The witness told the court he had also seen a second video film, showing a younger woman tied naked to a wooden beam
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The court heard DNA linked a body hair found on the woman’s bed to CB

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Quite often tabloids are careless with translation

• Bed = couch
• wooden beam = tree

The situation has already been described in detail in open court which is probably the bench mark for what was actually said.
The defence really don't have a lot going for them to argue any sort of legitimate case which is why they are going for issues which are basically just spoilers in the hope of getting lucky.
My opinion

 

[Denis R Tandib]

Do you have the link to that?



EHR doesn't serve as a final appeal of the german courts. As you said above, to reopen the conviction on the facts you generally require some new evidence IMO. This does sometimes happen.

IMO

It’s behind paywall but I’ll pm you the article.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

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The witness told the court he had also seen a second video film, showing a younger woman tied naked to a wooden beam
...

The court heard DNA linked a body hair found on the woman’s bed to CB

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Quite often tabloids are careless with translation

• Bed = couch
• wooden beam = tree

The situation has already been described in detail in open court which is probably the bench mark for what was actually said.
The defence really don't have a lot going for them to argue any sort of legitimate case which is why they are going for issues which are basically just spoilers in the hope of getting lucky.
My opinion

Do you have a transcript of what was described in open court? If not, we are all relying on media reports. The source I am using is from the city in which the current case is being held. Your source is a tabloid from an obscure third party country. You can think what you like about the defence lawyers but, IMO, they are better informed than you about what may be possible.

 

[Lilly b]

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The witness told the court he had also seen a second video film, showing a younger woman tied naked to a wooden beam
...

The court heard DNA linked a body hair found on the woman’s bed to CB

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Quite often tabloids are careless with translation

• Bed = couch
• wooden beam = tree

The situation has already been described in detail in open court which is probably the bench mark for what was actually said.
The defence really don't have a lot going for them to argue any sort of legitimate case which is why they are going for issues which are basically just spoilers in the hope of getting lucky.
My opinion

What's interesting on the DM case, cb said he stroked the cat on the way to the beach, but the attack was at 10.30 at night, and also he never denied being in the area either. In fact he confirmed he was by the house because of the cat stroking

 

[Denis R Tandib]

What's interesting on the DM case, cb said he stroked the cat on the way to the beach, but the attack was at 10.30 at night, and also he never denied being in the area either. In fact he confirmed he was by the house because of the cat stroking

This is only important if he said he stroked the cat at 10:30 p.m. Isn’t it normal for people to go to the beach during the daytime? Could the hair have been deposited on the cat during the day but only found after the nighttime rape?

The cat thing is stupid and probably a reflection of his legal counsel during the DM case. Perhaps why FF is so keen to retest the evidence.

Without the hair, no post 2017 convictions are possible.

 

[Mex]

What's interesting on the DM case, cb said he stroked the cat on the way to the beach, but the attack was at 10.30 at night, and also he never denied being in the area either. In fact he confirmed he was by the house because of the cat stroking

Did DM own a cat?
If she did, how did CB know that unless through surveillance?
Either way, quite a unique invention of an excuse to explain how CB's body hair was transferred from his body to the cat to the aggravated rape scene where it was found. Nobody was gullible enough to believed it at the trial in 2019.

 

[Mex]

This is only important if he said he stroked the cat at 10:30 p.m. Isn’t it normal for people to go to the beach during the daytime? Could the hair have been deposited on the cat during the day but only found after the nighttime rape?

The cat thing is stupid and probably a reflection of his legal counsel during the DM case. Perhaps why FF is so keen to retest the evidence.

Without the hair, no post 2017 convictions are possible.

CB is currently indicted of five serious sexual offences none of which feature a cat in evidence, so far as is known. The cases are not dependent on the conviction for the aggravated rape of DM. Each will stand or fall on the evidence pertaining to each individual charge.

 

[mrjitty]

This is only important if he said he stroked the cat at 10:30 p.m. Isn’t it normal for people to go to the beach during the daytime? Could the hair have been deposited on the cat during the day but only found after the nighttime rape?

The cat thing is stupid and probably a reflection of his legal counsel during the DM case. Perhaps why FF is so keen to retest the evidence.

Without the hair, no post 2017 convictions are possible.

Wait - his argument was transfer by cat?

that is the dumbest defence i ever heard

 

[Davieson]

Did DM own a cat?
If she did, how did CB know that unless through surveillance?
Either way, quite a unique invention of an excuse to explain how CB's body hair was transferred from his body to the cat to the aggravated rape scene where it was found. Nobody was gullible enough to believed it at the trial in 2019.

Yes, far better to have said they were indulging in a bit of rough sex. Might have got away with that.

 

[Mex]

Yes, far better to have said they were indulging in a bit of rough sex. Might have got away with that.

I misread that Davieson. Hence the

I thought you meant the CAT! which conjured up an image.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

I misread that Davieson. Hence the

I thought you meant the CAT! which conjured up an image.

SM was the one said to have an interest in beastiality. CB, however, is said have a very keen interest in automobiles… particularly the tow bar (ball) - whatever floats his boat I guess!

 

[JB1510]

SM was the one said to have an interest in beastiality. CB, however, is said have a very keen interest in automobiles… particularly the tow bar (ball) - whatever floats his boat I guess!

CB has an interest in beastiality as well , CP confirmed in court when
he testified recently upon being asked to clear the Yellow House , also OS wife said he tried it on with their pet sheep Wolfie .Also material found at the box factory contained animal *advertiser censored*.One sick individual

 

[Davieson]

Not really relevant to the cases in hand though.

 

[JB1510]

Not really relevant to the cases in hand though.

Just more background on a poi who has been committing or viewing serious sa against children, women, pensioners, animals for at least 20 years.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

CB has an interest in beastiality as well , CP confirmed in court when
he testified recently upon being asked to clear the Yellow House , also OS wife said he tried it on with their pet sheep Wolfie .Also material found at the box factory contained animal *advertiser censored*.One sick individual

Was CP at the house when CB’s partner was there a saw nothing? And, if we’re going on hearsay DP allegedly said some weird stuff to GM. None of it’s reliable.

I’m under no illusion about CB, he’s bad. However, I doubt he is responsible for some of these crimes, particularly MM.

 

[Mex]

Was CP at the house when CB’s partner was there a saw nothing? And, if we’re going on hearsay DP allegedly said some weird stuff to GM. None of it’s reliable.

I’m under no illusion about CB, he’s bad. However, I doubt he is responsible for some of these crimes, particularly MM.

Time will tell whether or not there is evidence to convict CB of the five serious sexual offences with which he has been charged and for which he is currently being tried.

The MM case is at the moment an irrelevance as no charges have been made.
Should the situation arise CB will go through due process for everything there is evidence which allows indictments just as has been previously done with regard to his other convictions (many of which are sexual in nature) and as has been done in relation to the five charges he is presently facing in the Braunschweig court.

• FF, lawyer for MM suspect CB, has admitted that: 'I wouldn't let him babysit my daughter'

Madeleine McCann suspect's lawyer: 'I wouldn't let him near my kids'

Friedrich Fulscher, the lawyer representing Madeleine McCann prime suspect Christian Brueckner, has admitted that he wouldn't let the convicted paedophile near his own children.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Perhaps one of the problems CB faces is the published opinion of one of the process's legal representatives (see above). People have been sacked for such indiscretion (see below)

... FF said: “Such a lay judge has no business participating in a fair criminal trial.”

German media reported that lawyers had also cited the lay judge’s work as a child psychologist as a potential source of bias in a case involving the ****** ***** of several children.

Madeleine McCann suspect trial paused over judge’s ‘tweet about killing ex-president’

The 47-year-old German faces multiple sexual offence charges unrelated to British girl’s case

www.independent.co.uk

 

[JB1510]

Was CP at the house when CB’s partner was there a saw nothing? And, if we’re going on hearsay DP allegedly said some weird stuff to GM. None of it’s reliable.

I’m under no illusion about CB, he’s bad. However, I doubt he is responsible for some of these crimes, particularly MM.

I beg to differ , CP saw ca and beastiality videos at the yellow house , CB asked him to take to BP house .CP refused and binned them as he knew BP had young children. You then have statements from HeB and MS in 2019 of which they say they viewed sa by CB that went unpunished until now.This was backed up by CB’s mo in the DM case ie filmed torturous sa. We also now have CB written letter to his girlfriend asking her to clear his property of incriminating evidence including videos and a camera. We are yet to hear from HB but know it was a filmed s.a by a poi who we know views and makes sa material.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

I beg to differ , CP saw ca and beastiality videos at the yellow house , CB asked him to take to BP house .CP refused and binned them as he knew BP had young children. You then have statements from HeB and MS in 2019 of which they say they viewed sa by CB that went unpunished until now.This was backed up by CB’s mo in the DM case ie filmed torturous sa. We also now have CB written letter to his girlfriend asking her to clear his property of incriminating evidence including videos and a camera. We are yet to hear from HB but know it was a filmed s.a by a poi who we know views and makes sa material.

Yeah but CP has relocated to Cambodia and has adopted a pseudonym. I’m just not sure these people are credible.

It’s possible CB is responsible for some of these crimes but he might not be. IMO, this is certainly the case with MM.

 

[mrjitty]

While this prosecution is important in it's own right, I feel like the UK tabloid journalists who sold this story on MM have revealed that this prosecution really isn't going to tell us anything about that case.

And I guess it will soon be four years since HCW dropped his bombshell, it is hard to imagine anything coming on that score.

 

[RichardKimble]

Yeah but CP has relocated to Cambodia and has adopted a pseudonym. I’m just not sure these people are credible.

It’s possible CB is responsible for some of these crimes but he might not be. IMO, this is certainly the case with MM.

Adopted a pseudonym but gave evidence under his name?