Hailey Dunn: General Discussion thread #3

[For The Kids]

It depends on how many people are seeding and what they have their upload limits set at.

*advertiser censored* is generally fragmented and renamed extensively, so there would not be that many seeds available for any particular file. Plus, there is a ton of it, with not that many people seeding individual files. Music or movies are different because they typically have relatively few renames and large seed reservoirs. Downloading those sorts of files is much faster as a result.

Torrents are efficient if you have a lot of people sharing a file, much less so if there are few and those few are protecting their bandwidth. If you are trying to download a 1GB file with 10 or 20 seeds, all set at 2 kpbs (or something like that), it will take a few weeks to complete it.

The computer also needs to be running constantly during this process as well, if you use it for an hour or so every week, with someone else using it the rest of the time (and switching it off), it would literally take months. Like I said, whoever downloaded all this stuff was living at the house and was the primary user of the computer without question.

I still have major doubts it would take as long as you claim. To be honest it just seems like your trying to make excuses to defend Shawn which is kind of admirable I suppose. I have no idea about child *advertiser censored* but I imagine a file would have hundreds or thousands of pictures in and these could be transferred quickly. Not just that you could make a file of these pictures and email them or send them over msn etc . Did the police say they was specifically downloaded that matter or that they was on the computer?

 

[Donjeta]

Is there evidence that the *advertiser censored* was downloaded from the internet specifically on that computer? It could be transferred from another computer on a portable memory device and that doesn't necessarily take long at all. Depending on how the computer is used and if it's left on for long periods of time it's also possible for whoever to leave a downloading program running in the background even if they're not there all the time.

 

[kirby]

No one remembers the key ring with several memory sticks on it, which SA was said to have on his person at all times? Anyone?

A pic was posted on fb. It showed SA sitting behind a car steering wheel. Also visible was the ignition key ring which held several memory sticks.

On the morning of 3/17/?? (The day BD was arrested for lying to the police) someone posted to fb that SA was pulled over by police for speeding.

Later that same day, police had a warrant to search SA. I've always believed the traffic cop may have seen memory sticks, reported it and a search warrant was issued.

That's just my guess, but it makes sense.

 

[For The Kids]

Is there evidence that the *advertiser censored* was downloaded from the internet specifically on that computer? It could be transferred from another computer on a portable memory device and that doesn't necessarily take long at all. Depending on how the computer is used and if it's left on for long periods of time it's also possible for whoever to leave a downloading program running in the background even if they're not there all the time.

That's what I was getting at it could be transferred from another computer or memory device and not necessarily downloaded.

 

[Knox]

I'm not going to talk about the child *advertiser censored* anymore. There is no conclusive evidence one way or the other, and since no arrest has been made ...

But just as three years ago, I'm still interested in those memory sticks he carried around on his key ring. In the 'Bring Them Home' link I inserted above, he does admit that on one of the sticks there were video's of he & Billie, as well as, the other girl (remember her folks?).

Shawn's not an IT Specialist, had no computer or internet in the home he lived in with Billie, and seemingly little access to computers period. Why carry around multiple memory sticks? Just another one of the many puzzle pieces which have never made sense in Hailey's case.

 

[nannymo]

I'm not going to talk about the child *advertiser censored* anymore. There is no conclusive evidence one way or the other, and since no arrest has been made ...

But just as three years ago, I'm still interested in those memory sticks he carried around on his key ring. In the 'Bring Them Home' link I inserted above, he does admit that on one of the sticks there were video's of he & Billie, as well as, the other girl (remember her folks?).

Shawn's not an IT Specialist, had no computer or internet in the home he lived in with Billie, and seemingly little access to computers period. Why carry around multiple memory sticks? Just another one of the many puzzle pieces which have never made sense in Hailey's case.

http://www.bigcountryhomepage.com/s...-dunn-investigat/87142/47K_uk-crUSY_BWDRVu7GA

Here is the link to the first story about *advertiser censored*.

From the article:
"The seized items included a memory stick and CD-R found in the bedroom of Hailey's mom, Billie Dunn, and suspect Shawn Adkins. Those were seized during a consensual search of their home, where Hailey was last seen on Dec. 27.

Dunn denied the images belonging to her or Shawn Adkins, saying she has no idea where they would have come from. Adkins told Tatro he was unable to comment about the development at the request of his attorney."

Here is another link about the *advertiser censored*:

http://www.bigcountryhomepage.com/s...ensored*-results/32667/Wm9k_NOo3UKjrZYNvGRCSA

"A number of electronic devices were removed from the Colorado City home of the missing 13-year-old's mother as well as the home of a one-time suspect's grandmother in Dunn and mother in Big Spring."

"Toombs says child *advertiser censored* was not discovered in the home of Hailey's mother Billie Dunn. "

"Neither Adkins nor Dunn have been indicted or charged with crimes related to the possession of child *advertiser censored*. Both admitted to possessing *advertiser censored*. "

For someone who had no computer, he sure had enough computer-related items. I believe he used other people's computers to get what he had....SA is a user....that way he cannot be blamed for the content on the computers. By his and Billie's own admission they possessed *advertiser censored*. LE just cannot prove the child *advertiser censored*.

I really do not think the *advertiser censored* had anything to do with Hailey's disappearance. But I DO believe SA is a very deviant person and it is my opinion he is responsible for Hailey's death. Too many inconsistencies. You would not want me on his or Billie's jury....just stating my opinion here...

It may take years, but I truly hope justice will come for this precious young lady who was removed from this world way too young.

 

[kirby]

Why is Hailey now a 'sub forum"? So sad.

 

[Kimster]

Why is Hailey now a 'sub forum"? So sad.

She has been before. She's still in hot cases.

 

[Tugela]

I still have major doubts it would take as long as you claim. To be honest it just seems like your trying to make excuses to defend Shawn which is kind of admirable I suppose. I have no idea about child *advertiser censored* but I imagine a file would have hundreds or thousands of pictures in and these could be transferred quickly. Not just that you could make a file of these pictures and email them or send them over msn etc . Did the police say they was specifically downloaded that matter or that they was on the computer?

There were ~109k files IIRC. If they were only low resolution images, then it would be about 25GB. If there were movies as well (likely), then the amount of storage required would be a lot more than that. I think the collection probably was a few hundred GB in size.

You are not going to be sending that by e-mail or transferring it with data sticks readily, it would have been downloaded for sure.

If you were getting it from a commercial site, which typically have high download speeds, you would be downloading individual movie clips or photosets in zip files. Those usually have anything from 50-150 images in them. So you would be looking at a minimum of around 1000 individual downloads that would have to be selected and saved manually. That takes a ton of time.

If they were downloaded from public sources, such as usenet or torrent feeds, it would take just as long and probably longer to select all those file. A torrent seed protecting its bandwidth is going to upload at 2-10 kbps. That means that if (unlikely) you had a constant connection to a seed for (as an example) a 500 MB movie file, it would take about 10000 to 50000 seconds, or 3 to 14 hours. Since you would be competing with other people for that same seed, it will take a good deal longer as you would not always be connected to it. most of the time you would not have a connection. Like I said, it may take a week or more in most cases, even as much as a month.

Whoever downloaded this collection did so over an extended period of time and had more or less constant control of the computer.

 

[Tugela]

For someone who had no computer, he sure had enough computer-related items. I believe he used other people's computers to get what he had....SA is a user....that way he cannot be blamed for the content on the computers. By his and Billie's own admission they possessed *advertiser censored*. LE just cannot prove the child *advertiser censored*.

I really do not think the *advertiser censored* had anything to do with Hailey's disappearance. But I DO believe SA is a very deviant person and it is my opinion he is responsible for Hailey's death. Too many inconsistencies. You would not want me on his or Billie's jury....just stating my opinion here...

Actually he has remarkably few computer related items. A CD-R is very old technology, people use DVDs now. A CD will store about 650 MB on it. Those types of CDs can be written to once, so it is for one-time storage. You can still buy them, but computers these days come with DVD or BD writers in them, so DVDs are by far the most common writable storage used. I think it must be at least a decade since CD writers stopped being standard items on computers.

There is only one data stick that we can be sure of. Some claim he had others, but we don't know if those exist, or if they do, they were actually his.

Even if he did have a few more, that is shockingly few for a modern person IMO, and it tells me that he is largely computer illiterate and doesn't have much use for computers.

 

[Tugela]

Based on everything that has been reported and how everyone has acted/reacted, my theory is HD had an illicit relationship of some sort with someone, and things came to a head just after Christmas, with it all about to be exposed, and she died as a result of that. There was something going on. Assuming BD was not involved, her behaviour the day HD was reported missing is strongly suggestive of someone who was suspicious and who no longer trusted her daughter.

And no, I don't think it was SA. I can't be sure of course, but I don't see any reason why any of them would protect him if they thought it was him. Fingers would be pointed immediately and vigorously if they thought it was him, and that did not really happen - they almost appeared strangely reluctant to blame him even when LE was. It is someone else.

It could be a random stranger, but that is so rare. Homicides are almost always done by someone who knows the victim. So I think that is unlikely. HD knew the person who killed her IMO.

 

[For The Kids]

Based on everything that has been reported and how everyone has acted/reacted, my theory is HD had an illicit relationship of some sort with someone, and things came to a head just after Christmas, with it all about to be exposed, and she died as a result of that. There was something going on. Assuming BD was not involved, her behaviour the day HD was reported missing is strongly suggestive of someone who was suspicious and who no longer trusted her daughter.

And no, I don't think it was SA. I can't be sure of course, but I don't see any reason why any of them would protect him if they thought it was him. Fingers would be pointed immediately and vigorously if they thought it was him, and that did not really happen - they almost appeared strangely reluctant to blame him even when LE was. It is someone else.

It could be a random stranger, but that is so rare. Homicides are almost always done by someone who knows the victim. So I think that is unlikely. HD knew the person who killed her IMO.

well..the only part I agree with is that Hailey knew who killed her. You said Billie would point fingers if she believed it was him. Well she has certainly done that.

 

[Tugela]

well..the only part I agree with is that Hailey knew who killed her. You said Billie would point fingers if she believed it was him. Well she has certainly done that.

Only years later, after she had broken up with him. That is just spite from an ex. What counts is what she did in the time after HD went missing, and no fingers were pointed then.

I don't think she knows what happened to HD, but she had a suspicion IMO, and it clearly wasn't SA she was suspicious of. They all had suspicions, but didn't want to say, that is why so many were failing their polys, and why the Texas Rangers were getting frustrated with them early on in the case. I think the county LE didn't understand that nuance, so they went off on a wild goose chase after SA that got them nowhere. They were simple cops who thought that fail = guilty, but fail can = other things too and that was too much for them to get their heads around, and consider other possibilities.

There was something else going on with HD IMO, and it had nothing to do with SA.

 

[Suthrnqt]

well..the only part I agree with is that Hailey knew who killed her. You said Billie would point fingers if she believed it was him. Well she has certainly done that.

ITA. When the 'love affair' was over, she certainly pointed fingers---right at Shawn. jmo

 

[Soulmagent]

ITA. When the 'love affair' was over, she certainly pointed fingers---right at Shawn. jmo

This case has always made me really upset inside.

Did Shawn murder Hailey? Was it both of them?

Why would she blame him if she did help with any part of it ? If she knew he did something why would she hide it ,unless she helped ? Then if she helped why would she blame him? She would get caught up then. It is illogical.

I firmly believe Billie has no clue what happen to Hailey. I am not sure if Shawn does or not, however due to the info in the case I tend to give him the benefit of doubt .

The fact this case has went on as long as it has with FBI investing, leads me to believe that benefit doubt is not unreasonable. Which is what leads me to why I get so upset.

I feel because SA looks like a good suspect ,that everyone has closed their minds to the fact that ANYTHING could have happened to Hailey. Really there are like 5 different issues in her case .

 

[For The Kids]

This case has always made me really upset inside.

Did Shawn murder Hailey? Was it both of them?

Why would she blame him if she did help with any part of it ? If she knew he did something why would she hide it ,unless she helped ? Then if she helped why would she blame him? She would get caught up then. It is illogical.

I firmly believe Billie has no clue what happen to Hailey. I am not sure if Shawn does or not, however due to the info in the case I tend to give him the benefit of doubt .

The fact this case has went on as long as it has with FBI investing, leads me to believe that benefit doubt is not unreasonable. Which is what leads me to why I get so upset.

I feel because SA looks like a good suspect ,that everyone has closed their minds to the fact that ANYTHING could have happened to Hailey. Really there are like 5 different issues in her case .

In all honesty its hard to answer given what we are and aren't allowed to say on this forum. I personally believe LE have more evidence than you would think. We can not talk about things on here unless they have been in the media but I personally do not believe it was a happy time in that house before Hailey went "missing."

 

[carbuff]

This case has always made me really upset inside.

Did Shawn murder Hailey? Was it both of them?

Why would she blame him if she did help with any part of it ? If she knew he did something why would she hide it ,unless she helped ? Then if she helped why would she blame him? She would get caught up then. It is illogical.

I firmly believe Billie has no clue what happen to Hailey. I am not sure if Shawn does or not, however due to the info in the case I tend to give him the benefit of doubt .

The fact this case has went on as long as it has with FBI investing, leads me to believe that benefit doubt is not unreasonable. Which is what leads me to why I get so upset.

I feel because SA looks like a good suspect ,that everyone has closed their minds to the fact that ANYTHING could have happened to Hailey. Really there are like 5 different issues in her case .

Yes. This. Exactly how I feel.

I mean, SA is not somebody I would want in my house, but that doesn't automatically make him guilty of anything except being, as my grandfather used to say, low enough to walk under a snake's belly without taking off his hat. But he's such an obvious target...

 

[StrayKat]

Based on everything that has been reported and how everyone has acted/reacted, my theory is HD had an illicit relationship of some sort with someone, and things came to a head just after Christmas, with it all about to be exposed, and she died as a result of that. There was something going on. Assuming BD was not involved, her behaviour the day HD was reported missing is strongly suggestive of someone who was suspicious and who no longer trusted her daughter.

And no, I don't think it was SA. I can't be sure of course, but I don't see any reason why any of them would protect him if they thought it was him. Fingers would be pointed immediately and vigorously if they thought it was him, and that did not really happen - they almost appeared strangely reluctant to blame him even when LE was. It is someone else.

It could be a random stranger, but that is so rare. Homicides are almost always done by someone who knows the victim. So I think that is unlikely. HD knew the person who killed her IMO.

Well said!

As for the polys, from what I remember 5 different individuals took them. We know 3 of the individuals, what determines who is given a polygraph?
Thank you

 

[For The Kids]

Well said!

As for the polys, from what I remember 5 different individuals took them. We know 3 of the individuals, what determines who is given a polygraph?
Thank you

People they thought were lieing or could be involved I guess.

 

[StrayKat]

People they thought were lieing or could be involved I guess.

Thank you, but I am hoping Tugela can explain the logics involved.