Holly Bobo, missing from TN 2014 discussion #2 ***ARREST***

[oceanblueeyes]

The defence will probably request a change of venue.

I think it depends if a gag order is put in place.

If so, it will be hard for the DT to ask for a change of venue if nothing comes out but the announcement of the arrest and charges of ZA.

In Georgia there was a gag order in place for four years all during the time Guy Heinz Jr. was awaiting trial for the mass murder of 8 of his family members.

They tried the case in the city/county it happened in because the town hadn't been saturated with information about the case.

I don't expect leaks in this case. DAs aren't ethically allowed to comment on what evidence they have in any case anyway.

 

[AnonymousD]

http://s296.photobucket.com/user/cr...Holly Bobo -TN-/030214towed-backhoe.jpg.html


Technically, I think it's a small trackhoe. jmo

Background on me: I grew up on a large family farm, married a farmer, and work at a farm equipment dealership. (remember: not all farms are just animals, lots of other work happens on the farm--excavator work is one of those fun chores)

In the industry, that is considered a mini excavator, or compact excavator. That's a Bobcat brand in the photo. I will not speculate on the model# since that is not a brand I'm familiar with or that we sell at our dealership.

These size excavators are used a lot in the building of homes, or other construction when their size is of importance. A lot of these size excavators have "zero tail spin", meaning when the user spins the unit around to use the boom, the cab of the unit will not exit the floorplan of the tracks themselves. Although I don't think that would be important in Holly's case, I think it was just what they had available. Along with the fact that they didn't need something too big because: 1) the ground was wet, iirc 2) you don't know what else you may disturb & 3) the compact size made it easy to get in & out of the area.

HTH a little

 

[jggordo]

AnonymousD, a question. If Le were to want to take top soil back to a lab and let it dry, wouldn't one of these do the trick? In an earlier video where they were sifting over the blue tarp, once the soil became wet it seems to me they would not be able to "sift" mud. Just a question. JMO's

 

[pufnstuf]

AnonymousD, a question. If Le were to want to take top soil back to a lab and let it dry, wouldn't one of these do the trick? In an earlier video where they were sifting over the blue tarp, once the soil became wet it seems to me they would not be able to "sift" mud. Just a question. JMO's

Soil doesn't have to be dry to be sifted. When soil is saturated with water, using water does the trick to run it through the screen.

 

[goldiegirl]

I think it depends if a gag order is put in place.

If so, it will be hard for the DT to ask for a change of venue if nothing comes out but the announcement of the arrest and charges of ZA.

In Georgia there was a gag order in place for four years all during the time Guy Heinz Jr. was awaiting trial for the mass murder of 8 of his family members.

They tried the case in the city/county it happened in because the town hadn't been saturated with information about the case.

I don't expect leaks in this case. DAs aren't ethically allowed to comment on what evidence they have in any case anyway.

I don't know that it's necessarily because of the evidence, though. I would expect a change of venue because it would be hard to find jurors who don't have SOME sort of connection to either the victim or perpetrator. In such a small area most people have at least heard of the case and probably know someone who knows someone who knows someone, and they have likely already formed opinions about both families. Even if they don't know the victim or perp or their families, it wouldn't be a stretch to think lots of people would have at least a tenuous connection to some of the legal professionals or LE working on the case.

 

[Karen Anne RN]

TBI Mark Gwyn said there will be more arrests, and that by about the end of this month, they will be releasing the information about the case.

A large number of arrests have been made, with some being released, and some still in custody, per vinelink.
The judge said that this case will proceed in a timely manner.

Holly's intentions upon graduation from nursing school was to go on a mission with her church and do nursing. She was engaged to her boyfriend,

We have lost a precious member of our community.

 

[SteveS]

I certainly agree with you.

I also believe they have found all or parts of Holly's remains.

That is the only way the Bobo family would be convinced beyond all doubt that Holly has been murdered.

imo

The longer this plays out without something definitive being said about her remains, the more I'm inclined to believe that "remains" of some sort were NOT found.

What I base that on is are the glaring "acts of omission" that have already occurred and are ongoing, if they actually found some or any of her remains. If they had her remains as the method of showing death, it is customary for the family to hold a funeral or memorial service of some kind, to lay her to rest, so to speak.

Her remains would not be in custody of LE. When a person is murdered, LE does an autopsy or whatever, takes samples for further testing, and then those mortal remains are returned to the family. When there are any, that is.

However, unless I've missed it, nothing like that has occurred. No funeral, no memorial service, no obituary, nothing by the family to signal a closure to her life. So my belief is that LE has evidence of a murder and of her being killed, and the family has accepted it as true, but there have been no remains found that would compel them to the point of public announcements and a display of closure to her life. Has there been a death certificate filed with the county? I'd wager there hasn't, and that it will take a court verdict to declare her dead - and dead by being murdered.

 

[SteveS]

TBI Mark Gwyn said there will be more arrests, and that by about the end of this month, they will be releasing the information about the case.

A large number of arrests have been made, with some being released, and some still in custody, per vinelink.
The judge said that this case will proceed in a timely manner.

Holly's intentions upon graduation from nursing school was to go on a mission with her church and do nursing. She was engaged to her boyfriend,

We have lost a precious member of our community.

Thanks. Do you have a link to a full article of where he said this, so we can read more?

 

[Steleheart]

The longer this plays out without something definitive being said about her remains, the more I'm inclined to believe that "remains" of some sort were NOT found.

What I base that on is are the glaring "acts of omission" that have already occurred and are ongoing, if they actually found some or any of her remains. If they had her remains as the method of showing death, it is customary for the family to hold a funeral or memorial service of some kind, to lay her to rest, so to speak.

Her remains would not be in custody of LE. When a person is murdered, LE does an autopsy or whatever, takes samples for further testing, and then those mortal remains are returned to the family. When there are any, that is.

However, unless I've missed it, nothing like that has occurred. No funeral, no memorial service, no obituary, nothing by the family to signal a closure to her life. So my belief is that LE has evidence of a murder and of her being killed, and the family has accepted it as true, but there have been no remains found that would compel them to the point of public announcements and a display of closure to her life. Has there been a death certificate filed with the county? I'd wager there hasn't, and that it will take a court verdict to declare her dead - and dead by being murdered.

I believe it would take some time for examination by a forensic anthropologist and DNA analysis in order to confirm the remains. This could take months IMO
In the case of Skylar Neese, the family knew the FBI had a body but it was 2 months before they confirmed that it was, in fact, Skylar

 

[oceanblueeyes]

The longer this plays out without something definitive being said about her remains, the more I'm inclined to believe that "remains" of some sort were NOT found.

What I base that on is are the glaring "acts of omission" that have already occurred and are ongoing, if they actually found some or any of her remains. If they had her remains as the method of showing death, it is customary for the family to hold a funeral or memorial service of some kind, to lay her to rest, so to speak.

Her remains would not be in custody of LE. When a person is murdered, LE does an autopsy or whatever, takes samples for further testing, and then those mortal remains are returned to the family. When there are any, that is.

However, unless I've missed it, nothing like that has occurred. No funeral, no memorial service, no obituary, nothing by the family to signal a closure to her life. So my belief is that LE has evidence of a murder and of her being killed, and the family has accepted it as true, but there have been no remains found that would compel them to the point of public announcements and a display of closure to her life. Has there been a death certificate filed with the county? I'd wager there hasn't, and that it will take a court verdict to declare her dead - and dead by being murdered.

It has taken weeks and even months for a body to be returned to families in some cases especially those who were skeletonized or only fragments of the body was found.

The police only found Adam Walsh's head and the ME kept it. John had to finally go and retrieve his son's remains long after Adam's head was found. So I don't necessarily agree they would release what they have found to the family by now.

I doubt LE has what they need to prove how she was murdered if her body was fragmented unless they found bones that showed serious knife wounds or a bullet hole in the remains.

Proving how she was murdered is not a requirement in proving guilt anyway. Jurors are really good at piecing evidence together. No young woman winds up on someone's property buried unless she was murdered and put there. If her remains are partial remains then that right there shows the defendant tried to destroy the remains to avoid detection. Anything belong to Holly or any part of Holly found on ZAs property is monumental evidence of guilt.

And there is a very good possibility that all remains weren't found, and the family will hold off with a funeral hoping that LE finds other remains to make the body as complete as it humanly can be.

I read a case recently where a family would not bury their loved one because the ME had not returned the victim's heart. They believed the heart must be with the body in order for the loved one to rest in peace.

So the Bobos not having a memorial or funeral right now doesn't show me that LE didn't find a part of Holly's remains.

I think it will take months for the anthropologists to forensically test what they found of Holly. If they found a partial femur bone then toxicologist tests can be obtained to see if ZA injected Holly with meth before he murdered her. That alone can take up to 8-10 weeks to get the results back and sometimes even longer. They would not release the body to the family in case further testing needs to be done.

I do expect an ME to testify in this case. I do still continue to believe that the only way the Bobo family would be convinced beyond all doubt now, after three years of saying she absolutely was alive, would only happen if LE found some part of Holly's remains showing proof positive she was indeed deceased.

JMO

 

[OldSteve]

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TBI Mark Gwyn said there will be more arrests, and that by about the end of this month, they will be releasing the information about the case.

Was that ^^ recent? Please advise if there's MSM link - Can't find anything on google, and would like to add it to media thread:

Holly Bobo missing from Tenn: MeDiA & TiMeLiNe only! *NO DISCUSSION* - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

 

[Steleheart]

Background on me: I grew up on a large family farm, married a farmer, and work at a farm equipment dealership. (remember: not all farms are just animals, lots of other work happens on the farm--excavator work is one of those fun chores)

In the industry, that is considered a mini excavator, or compact excavator. That's a Bobcat brand in the photo. I will not speculate on the model# since that is not a brand I'm familiar with or that we sell at our dealership.

These size excavators are used a lot in the building of homes, or other construction when their size is of importance. A lot of these size excavators have "zero tail spin", meaning when the user spins the unit around to use the boom, the cab of the unit will not exit the floorplan of the tracks themselves. Although I don't think that would be important in Holly's case, I think it was just what they had available. Along with the fact that they didn't need something too big because: 1) the ground was wet, iirc 2) you don't know what else you may disturb & 3) the compact size made it easy to get in & out of the area.

HTH a little

Thank you! I knew when I read 'small bobcat' It was probably this, especially when people were saying they saw a 'backhoe'. Both descriptions would have to be a mini. Most people who hear Small Bobcat, think of the familiar 4 wheel loader. Yes you can scrape the topsoil with one but even then it rears up. It just doesn't dig well.

So glad a Farm dealer chimed in here!

ETA; Perfect BTW for doing a grid search where you want to be small and precise in the areas you clear, especially if you already have a good idea what you are looking for and "Just About Where" IMO

 

[Tulessa]

http://s296.photobucket.com/user/cr...Holly Bobo -TN-/030214towed-backhoe.jpg.html


Technically, I think it's a small trackhoe. jmo

That is a small one Dr, Know. :seeya: Hubby has one that size.

 

[Karen Anne RN]

Thanks. Do you have a link to a full article of where he said this, so we can read more?

This was from the news conference he held on tv. I believe it was channel 4, so there might be a link to it on their web site.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Thanks. Do you have a link to a full article of where he said this, so we can read more?

I do remember reading where Gynn said there could possibly be more arrests but I don't remember him saying that there WOULD be more arrests.

imo

 

[oceanblueeyes]

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Was that ^^ recent? Please advise if there's MSM link - Can't find anything on google, and would like to add it to media thread:

Holly Bobo missing from Tenn: MeDiA & TiMeLiNe only! *NO DISCUSSION* - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

I searched for it too and this is all I came up with.

Zach Adams Indicted on Murder, Kidnapping Charges of Holly Bobo

UPDATE on March 5, 10:00 p.m. -- TBI said that Holly's investigation is still very "active and ongoing". They also said that there is the possibility of additional suspects.

http://www.wbbjtv.com/news/local/TB...-Holly-Bobo-Disappearance-Case-248620481.html

 

[jggordo]

I believe today is JA's "parole hearing" according to tn.gov.foil . I believe it will be interesting as to the result.

In regard to any "remains" that may have been recovered thus far. As the trial approaches, ZA will undoubtedly get a defense "team". Of that team there will undoubtedly be forensic specialists of their own. They will want to examine those. And if they cannot because the family has them or they were cremated or such, the defense could call foul for some crazy cover-up or such craziness. I believe it is best to leave them with the "chain of custody" until the matter is concluded.

JMO's

 

[Suthrnqt]

I believe today is JA's "parole hearing" according to tn.gov.foil . I believe it will be interesting as to the result.

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JMO's

I think the outcome of the parole hearing will be interesting also. If he is granted parole after serving only 5 months of his sentence, then I'll give weight to the theory that he provided info to LE that led to arrest of ZA. Interesting, if true.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

And... another of ZA's GF's now shows up, per Vinelink, in Benton County lock-up. The 'current' GF. AB is already in there, along with her son (?), CB.
Hmmmm.

I read today that she was arrested as 'a fugitive from justice' so she must have known she had a warrant out for her arrested about something and she fled to avoid prosecution. I think I read that KY has a hold on her without bond or maybe it was TN has the hold and she will be extradited back to KY.

Take this with a grain of salt because I read it you know where. lol

IMO

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Now that's ^^ the way is should be! Makes me wonder again what went wrong such that ZA was allowed to be on the loose considering all the things now said about him!?

I do hope they have solid evidence, and that it's not a case of wanting to arrest someone before up coming 3-year anniversary of her kidnapping....

The lawyers can never say this case was a rush to judgment due to the time it took them to finally arrest ZA.

They would never arrest him and charge him simply because it was approaching Holly's three year anniversary. The DA knows he has to prove his case BARD and imo he knows he can do it.

imo