can someone please tell me where this 15 minute conversation comes from? a link maybe that outlines that is how long some alleged conversation between Holly and her Captor lasted? Please and thank you.
I know it has been discussed from day one almost that some sort of exchange took place. This week is the first time I am hearing the time frame 15 minutes attached to it.
It this information factual? If so link please.
If this is speculation based on what members suspect given the timeline as described by the witness Clint Bobo, then please, say that it is speculation based on the statements of Clint about the timeline that morning.
No snark intended. But I have been trying to follow closely here and somehow I missed that it was a fact that Holly and her captor exchanged 15 minutes of small talk before she was taken.
My opinions only, no facts here:
The "15 minute conversation" is partly from my Websleuths timeline, posted at
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=211069&page=9. Scroll down and there are two consecutive very-long posts that cover the whole story. Regarding my timeline from just before to just after Holly's abduction, my entries are based upon statements attributed to Holly's family, the police/dispatchers, the nearest neighbor, and other reputable witnesses. And there is something else- this happened in the morning when people were leaving for, or arriving at work. The time estimates of these witnesses are likely to be accurate- because people do these things at the same time every day. The very closely-timed entries after 7:50 AM are my estimates only, but look at all of the things that were going on and you will see that you have to allow several minutes for all of these reported events to occur. So yes, it seems likely that 10 to 15 minutes did elapse between the early scream and Holly's brother watching his sister being led into the woods.
I snipped the relevant portion of my timeline for any of you who have not seen it:
7:30-7:35 AM: (Holly talked with her mother on the phone, available witness is her mother and presumably the cell phone records). (Based upon my timeline below, Hollys mother ?must have went to class just after this cell phone call and left her cell phone where her secretary could hear it ring?). This should be a solidly-timed entry.
?7:35-7:39 AM?: Holly Bobo should have been gathering her stuff together and getting ready to leave her home during this time period. For example, gathering her purse, cell phone, lunch, and school materials.
7:39 AM: Newschannel5.com reports that ?a post was made to the Facebook page of the later-to-be-identified main suspect? who is ultimately arrested for Holly Bobos abduction. This Facebook post, if it actually happened, was sinister and derogatory towards an unidentified woman. However, the main suspects on-and-off girlfriend at the time claims that ?the main suspect was actually referring to her? (and by inference, not Holly Bobo). Ironically, depending upon the location from where this Facebook post originated, it could provide an alibi of sorts for the main suspect- UNLESS more than one perpetrator is involved. (And I am well aware such theories, including the most recently-proposed triad of perpetrators).
Slightly before or at 7:40 AM: (Holly is going outside to her car which is 10 to 12 feet from the nearest home exit door- possibly at 5 minutes earlier than her usual schedule so as to not miss an important college exam, no available witnesses except the perpetrator). (?Some reports suggest the car was in her long driveway, and other reports suggest it was in a carport?). (Her car was probably in the carport attached to the back of her house, based upon numerous later reports and blogs).
About 7:40 AM-1st event: (Holly is confronted by the perpetrator near her black Mustang automobile. She drops her can of soda in surprise or because of an immediate physical confrontation. According to officials the mystery perpetrator is likely to be someone who was familiar with her daily schedule). (?It is also said that Holly was led a short distance from the carport back into a semi-enclosed garage?). Hollys car is said to have been washed four days earlier, so it was now more clean and reflective. It is reported that Hollys abductor ?may have been hiding around the corner in the carport watching for Hollys reflection on her car?. In my opinion, these theoretical scenarios hardly make the abductor sound like some random stranger; it seems that the abductor was quite familiar with Hollys morning schedule, BUT the abductor would have to be unaware that Hollys brother was still at the house. I mean- would you try to abduct a woman if you believed her brother was still in her home and did not know if he was watching with a gun or whatever?
About 7:40 AM-2nd event: (Someone screamed in the direction of Hollys house; male witness to this scream lives in a house ?nearest? to Hollys home). This male witness is an adult man who lives with his mother. The timing of this entry should be fairly accurate.
About 7:40 AM-3rd event: (Holly is attacked/restrained in some manner and leaves a small amount of blood on the carport floor; also see later entries). There seems to be very widespread support that blood was found. (My personal opinion- although the perpetrator may have had a firearm, for the sake of silence- a knife was used to commit the abduction and the blood was from Holly being incidentally scratched/cut somewhere OR struck on the face to promote submissiveness).
?7:40-7:45 AM?: (The adult male in the neighboring household tells his mother who lives with him about hearing the scream from the direction of the Bobo home). (According to one post I saw, this man ?may have been adding oil to his vehicle at the time of the scream?). (?This might have led to a couple-minute delay in reporting it to his mother?). It has been reported by some that this neighbor woman then called 911, but in my opinion this particular event did not happen.
?7:40-7:50 AM?: (The adult male neighbors mother tries to call Hollys mother at work about the scream, witness is school secretary who relays this info to Hollys mother, who is now in class).
7:50 AM: Hollys brother wakes up because his familys house dog is barking; available witness is himself. Note that I have previously suggested on Websleuths that Hollys brother may have ?been awakened as early as 7:40 to 7:45 AM?, only because this allows more time for the numerous closely-spaced incidents listed below to occur. However, until shown otherwise, I will treat this as a fairly-accurate time entry. (?It has been claimed that there were two dogs, one inside the house and one tied up or penned outside of the house?). (The latest reports suggest that any dog outside the house was not tied up or penned and was friendly and trusting). In my opinion, it might be worth considering that the family dog outside was already familiar with the scent of the perpetrator from previous experience, but I equally recognize that 9 out of 10 house dogs become submissive when approached by a dominant-behaving male human.
?7:51- 7:52 AM?: (Now, looking out of his window, Hollys brother notices Hollys car is unexpectedly still there and sees the silhouettes of two people kneeling down by the car; he also hears voices of two people, available witness is himself). (Note that I am confused from various reports about whether the two silhouettes were seen leaning down, kneeling, squatting or sitting). (Most recently the story is that the brother saw Holly and a man kneeling and facing each other and talking. Holly sounded very upset and heated, but most of the talking was being done by the perpetrator. The only words of the conversation the brother could understand was Holly saying- no, why?). From Hollys brothers witness description, the FBI describes the perpetrator as being 5 8 to 6 0 tall, weighing 200 pounds, and wearing camouflage clothing.
?7:52 7:53 AM?: (Hollys brother calls Hollys mother who is at work but gets no answer because his mothers cell phone is not with her, witnesses are himself and his mothers school secretary). (I want to clarify this statement; it is said that the mothers phone was in another room in the school). It would seem possible that the school secretary either heard the mothers cell phone ringing, or Hollys brother made a second follow-up call to the secretarys number to get through to Hollys mother.
?7:53 7:54 AM?: (Hollys mother gets the message from the school secretary and calls her son/Hollys brother who tells his mother about Hollys car still being there and the two people he saw, available witnesses are son and mother). Relevantly, in the April 30, 2013 WSMV-TV episode, Hollys mother implies that she did not tell her son at this time about the earlier scream reported by the neighbor manà to his motherà to Hollys mother. This oversight could have contributed to confusion, whereby Hollys brother was still somewhat convinced that the strange man was Hollys boyfriend.
?7:54 7:56 AM?: (The alarmed mother now calls 911 but is shortly thereafter not satisfied that she talked to the right office, witness is Henderson County dispatch). To date, this is the earliest call to 911 that I can propose. However, in my opinion, I still feel that an earlier (around 7:40 to 7:45 AM) call to 911 by someone would better support the status-quo of my timeline in this case, but such a call is not supported by my personal evaluation of the available evidence.
?7:55 7:57 AM?: (Holly is viewed from her house by her brother being led towards and/or into the adjacent woods by a man in camouflage clothing; available witness is Hollys brother). (I have heard rumors of ?specks of blood on the lawn?). It is reported that Holly and her abductor walked at least a short distance down a four-wheeler path to the left of a tree house into the woods with the family dog accompanying them and wagging its tail (?did the dog recognize the scent of the abductor, or was it simply being submissive?). It is also reported that ?Hollys family theorized that the abductor may have ultimately led Holly from the edge of the woods and back to the main road where a getaway vehicle was parked?. I have supported this latter opinion from the very beginning. In my opinion, nothing else makes sense to me. However, when you read the unofficial reports about the search dogs (later in my timeline), it becomes more confusing. But to be clear about this- in my opinion, nobody witnessed Holly being led out to the main road OR deeply into the woods until out-of-sight; rather Hollys brother ?saw Holly and the man walking towards a trail/road at the edge of the woods?. Repeating myself, to the best of my knowledge, nobody witnessed Holly and the perpetrator passing out-of-sight into the deep woods. Nor did anybody report a strange vehicle parked in the woods or out on the main road (Swan Johnson) at the time of Hollys abduction.
