Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #94

[x_files]

Being in college at the time of the murders could explain BG's opportunity to be available on a Monday afternoon to commit the crime. College schedules don't necessarily mean full time classes, maybe BG didn't have school that afternoon. Plus it is far easier to skip out of a lecture hall of 100+ students and not be noticed or held accountable for the absence than it is to skip out of highschool or a job.

True...or call in sick. Some colleges do not take roll call. Or he was not enrolled in college just yet. Maybe taking community college classes or on a missionary trip.
The mention of The Shack makes me think there's a religious aspect to this crime. Either he is affiliated with the church, or attends Christian college or somehow affiliated associated perhaps even popular with his peers at Church.
I don't think to mention The Shack was by accident, it's meant to play on the killer's consciousness. Hoping he will turn himself in or the preacher/priest will.
If he confessed to his Father that is a preacher would his father be legally obligated to call LE?

 

[QCD893]

I think the cops talked to the killer(s) that day...it was that close. The killer offered to search even. IIMHO. MOO.
The killer acted friendly and calm so no red flags were raised esp. if he was an upstanding pillar of the community or a man of God.

" if he was an upstanding pillar of the community or a man of God"... Possible, but statistically not likely in a small town like this. I'd hate to look at all the good people to find the suspect. The outcome is often quite the opposite.

 

[mainemom376]

I have been following since day one. I am not sure if this question has come up, but it is always in the back of my mind. Since it has been so long since the murders, is it possible BG is dead? If/when LE investigate with no real specific perp in mind, in their investigation, does that include deaths in the area as well? I do not think he is dead. But, if out of extreme fear of being nailed and if he committed suicide, say, would that be overlooked?

 

[flashy09]

If I’m looking at what you’re talking about, then yes there is a white rectangular object the size of a vehicle in what looks to be the former social services lot. It’s nearer the bottom of the screen, along rt 300 north which has NO vehicles moving on it. It appears that LE vehicles and officers are blocking off that route at the next intersection. If that is a vehicle, I’m sure they interviewed the owner to see if he was there the day before.

There was a podcast linked on here that talked about maybe seeing a white vehicle at the end of the bridge in the picture with Abby in it. I still can't see it at all in the original picture, but found it when someone circled it with a zoomed in picture. It did kind of look like a white squarish jeep or van.

 

[Boro55]

If I’m looking at what you’re talking about, then yes there is a white rectangular object the size of a vehicle in what looks to be the former social services lot. It’s nearer the bottom right of the screen, along rt 300 north which has NO vehicles moving on it. As the camera continues to pan and zoom, we can see that LE vehicles and officers are blocking off that route at the next intersection. If that is a vehicle, I’m sure they interviewed the owner to see if he was there the day before. MOO.

see my point is this...this is the day of the search
im guessing the first order of business for LE is to set-up a perimeter.

what if this is the abandoned car that the BG left there and they haven't found or noticed it YET!
i just wished the news crew would've zoomed in there

 

[x_files]

As I have been hypothysizing since Monday: moo. Mid twenties highly educated man who is embedded in religious community and known to LE as having ties to many people in Delphi. History of severe mental illness such as major depression with psychotic features. Hiding in plain sight with help of medication and family support. Deeply emotionally disturbed leading to delusional thinking which was acted out during period of excessive stress. This will be perceived as a huge betrayal by LE and families. LE knows who he is. Looking to gather additional material to support the criminal prosecution. Only a matter of time now.

I think you nailed it.
His parents might even be aware he has unusual issues and sent him to Christian counseling for help like Austin Sigg's mother did. This case is starting to remind me of Austin Sigg. His mother was aware of his bizarre and disturbing fantasies of watching child *advertiser censored*/rape, torture, and snuff but did nothing except send him to religious counseling.

 

[x_files]

The Shack was played on Easter Sunday in Indiana, on Lifetime/Oxygen. A church could have screened it, but that's not really important.

I think it is an important detail.

 

[x_files]

This is my first post on this topic, but I too have been trying to catch up.

Looking at the video/stills and listening to the recording, I’m in the camp that can’t imagine him being a young guy. He strikes me as being in his 40s or 50s based on his clothing (which, by the way, strikes me a very blue collar-style) and voice, but we don’t have a whole lot to go on. Could he be in disguise and suffering from laryngitis? Sure, but I’m following Occam’s Razor for now.

I don’t think he expected to be recorded, and I’m not sure he ever figured out that he was recorded, so I’d be surprised if he disguised himself. And if he did, why would he choose such a subtle disguise and not hide his face?

I also can’t see how whatever is on his head could be his hair. It looks distinctly like a hat or a hood to me.

If he saw the girls taking pictures/filming with a phone, he must have been very brazen or very stupid to go after them. I have to wonder what stopped them from calling 911. And how did he know they hadn’t called 911, especially if her phone continued to record?

The only thing I can think of that would stop them from running and/or making an emergency call would be a gun. I’m struck by his casual, confident tone, presumably calling them “guys.” It makes me think he has some sort of familiarity/comfort level with girls their age.

I agree the BG looks older to me. The voice sounds authoritative but still friendly at this point. They might have recognized him.

 

[CrimsonQuill157]

What colleges end class that early? No. Doubt BG is that young, doubt it's from Delphi, but likely from adjacent areas, seems a well-experienced person. I don't give the wording at PC too much weight. The sheer fact that two years later LE asks now asks about a car parked there says a lot: things/opportunities were missed. Lot of patch-up work now, unfortunately.

My finals are this week. If there is any significance to the "two weeks" that would time it perfectly with release of some colleges. Plus, if the BG or family of BG is very religious, he may have come home for the weekend to spend Easter with family. Plus some may have had classes cancelled for the day after Easter - a short holiday.

 

[MistyWaters]

I think it's interesting, & what a lot of people seem to be missing, is that there was NO hint of this 'change in direction' & the original sketch (old) released was still being show in the February 2019 press conference by LE???

Hundreds of tips called in after two-year press conference for Delphi murders

Redirect Notice

Buried within these threads is quite a bit of discussion pertaining to recent press conferences where it appeared LE was beginning to deemphasize the significance of the original sketch, compared with its focus early on. I don’t recall if the two year anniversary was one of those times and anyway it’s water under the bridge, just thought I’d mention it.

 

[x_files]

That’s an intriguing question. There have been a few cryptic statements made by members who have come and gone. (None lately that I’ve noticed.) They were mostly ignored as trolls or attention seekers. I can’t help but recall one member who made some rather intelligent comments about art and the human psyche. His avatar was about mythological demons and young girls. I tried to “follow” him, but he either quit the group or was dismissed. Few others pursued it, so I let it go.

damn, I wish I caught that conversation.

 

[MassGuy]

I have been following since day one. I am not sure if this question has come up, but it is always in the back of my mind. Since it has been so long since the murders, is it possible BG is dead? If/when LE investigate with no real specific perp in mind, in their investigation, does that include deaths in the area as well? I do not think he is dead. But, if out of extreme fear of being nailed and if he committed suicide, say, would that be overlooked?

It’s possible, but unlikely.

The guy they are looking for is on the younger side, and it has only been a little over two years. I think he’s alive and kicking.

These guys (I think he profiles as a serial killer) do off themselves, but it’s usually after they are caught.

It’s their last act of control.

Would it be overlooked if he was dead?

Probably not, but it does make linking him more difficult.

We’re just hoping there’s DNA.

 

[x_files]

My finals are this week. If there is any significance to the "two weeks" that would time it perfectly with release of some colleges. Plus, if the BG or family of BG is very religious, he may have come home for the weekend to spend Easter with family. Plus some may have had classes cancelled for the day after Easter - a short holiday.

yes, agreed. Absolutely timed for the most reaction for Easter holiday weekend, church, and dinners. Also, two weeks college-bound young adults return for summer. Perhaps even visit Delphi regularly to camp or hike. Family tradition? Church camping trips?

 

[x_files]

Former FBI agent John Douglas, the author of “Mindhunter,” has written extensively about it.

There are some similarities, but you don’t see mass murderer types, committing crimes like this.

One of my favorite quotes is this:

“A serial killer expects to get away with it, a mass murderer doesn’t, and a spree killer probably hasn’t thought that far ahead.”

Impulsive explosive rage vs carefully planned crimes.
agree on that part. Mass shooters also expect to suicide by cop, self or give up.

 

[MsBetsy]

There was a podcast linked on here that talked about maybe seeing a white vehicle at the end of the bridge in the picture with Abby in it. I still can't see it at all in the original picture, but found it when someone circled it with a zoomed in picture. It did kind of look like a white squarish jeep or van.

I think that was determined to be a concrete pillar under the bridge, or something like that. Imo

 

[carbuff]

Also, I quite honestly do not understand LE's motives in regards to this case. They just now, 2 years later, released the video of the still photo and BG saying an extra word. Why wouldn't they release as much as possible within those first few days/weeks/months so that others can identify him? The longer this drags on the harder it will be to catch him.
I get that they are a small town and likely do not have much experience with murder cases, but that seems like common sense. JMO, if anyone has explanation for my questions I would love to hear them, especially from someone within the field of LE.

One factor that hardly ever gets mentioned is that releasing information can sometimes skew what people remember or report. If the investigators mention, for a totally made up example, a pizza delivery truck, there will be some people who honestly think they remember seeing a pizza delivery truck even if there wasn't one to see.

It also tends to close out other possibilities. People will say, "Well, I saw a taxi parked there, but not a pizza delivery truck," so they won't call about the taxi.

And sometimes that kind of false memory can also subtly taint a jury pool. If the information is out there and everybody remembers the pizza delivery truck that wasn't there, they can be more likely to give credence to arguments that the person on trial is a taxi driver so he couldn't have been driving the pizza truck.

 

[MassGuy]

Impulsive explosive rage vs carefully planned crimes.
agree on that part. Mass shooters also expect to suicide by cop, self or give up.

Serial killers can be impulsive, and I do think there was an element of that here (not that he’s a serial killer, but I think he is in effect one).

We still don’t know how the girls we’re killed, but if there was a great deal of violence, then this guy is exactly what I think he’s is.

Mostly disorganized.

 

[x_files]

I think your descriptions of the types of suspects who "hide in plain sight" is spot on! Four fairly recent murder cases involving suspects who hid in plain sight provide good examples of the type of "respectable" suspect that people should consider in the Delphi case. These four suspects are in strong contrast to the kind of suspect the public so often thinks of in murder cases. An example of the stereotypical murder suspect is listed last. I hope these examples further help to clarify what LE likely means when stating that the Delphi murder suspect is "hiding in plain sight."
1) Brendt Christensen--married, PhD student in physics and teaching assistant awaiting trial in abduction, torture, murder and dismemberment of YingYing Zhang.
Deceased/Not Found - IL - Yingying Zhang, 26, Urbana, 9 June 2017 #1 *Arrest*
2) Kalen Schlatter--slight, clean-cut, 22 year-old college student praised as a hero for saving a man's life now awaiting trial in strangulation death of Tess Richey.
Found Deceased - Canada - Tess Richey, 22, Toronto, 25 Nov 2017 *Arrest*
3) Cristhian Bahena-Rivera--slight, quiet, clean-cut unassuming dairy farm worker reported to be a reliable, hardworking employee and a loving, responsible father awaiting trial for the murder of Mollie Tibbetts.
Found Deceased - IA - Mollie Tibbetts, 20, Poweshiek County, 19 Jul 2018 *Arrest* #47
4) Floyd Galloway--friendly, helpful security guard caring for his cancer-stricken wife kindly escorted female employees to their cars at night charged with murder of Danielle Stislicki.
MI - MI - Danielle Stislicki, 28, Southfield, 2 Dec 2016 #14 *ARREST*
These four suspects were totally opposite of Collin Richards, the homeless, highschool dropout with a long criminal history who is awaiting trial for the rape and murder of Celia Barquin-Arozamena.
IA - Celia Barquín, 22, Golf Champion, Murdered on Golf Course, Ames, 17 Sept 2018 ***Arrest***

"Nice" guys that are average looking, nothing strange or weird about them, yep dangerous because of no one fears them.

 

[HockeyMom330]

I am still firmly in the camp that I feel encouraged, rather than discouraged, by the most recent PC. LE has taken this new direction for a reason, and it is likely based on a new piece of physical evidence.

With that said, I am really struggling to comprehend the fact that the sketches are not the same person (to be clear, I do not believe that LE is lying). Honestly, it is not that the sketches look nothing alike that I keep getting hung up on. In fact, that would be a much easier thing for me to accept. It is the fact that the two sketches, who bare little if any resemblance to each other, represent the exact same underlying characteristics of BG - reddish-brown hair, same weight range, and the same height range. How unbelievably uncanny is that? There are two sketches of two entirely different people who look nothing alike.... except for the key published information. The only explanation that I can think of that rectifies those inconsistencies sounds crazier than the uncanny coincidence. Does anyone else have any thoughts?
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My guess is that the trait characteristcs of hair colour, weight range, and height range can be analyzed from Libby's video of BG on the bridge. These are in a sense irrefutable and therefore have stayed consistent. His facial features on the other hand are much more difficult to determine from the video and are therefore open to interpretation. LE relied on a witness to give a description of the shape of his eyes, nose, mouth, jaw etc... in order to give a 'face' to BG. We all know witness accounts/sketches are never 100% accurate but I do expect BG will bear some resemlence.

I think a witness came forward within a few days of the murders with a tip to LE. It was deemed important enough that the trooper would invest resources in creating the sketch, but not given enough weight to relase the sketch to the public in the beginning. Several months later a different witness came forward with a different tip and the sketch of 'older looking' BG was created. For whatever reason this tip/image was a better fit with their investigative strategy and the evidence they had uncovered so they released the image to the public and kept the other on the back-burner. Someting changed recently (hence the 'new direction' and '90 degree shift').

 

[x_files]

Serial killers can be impulsive, and I do think there was an element of that here (not that he’s a serial killer, but I think he is in effect one).

We still don’t know how the girls we’re killed, but if there was a great deal of violence, then this guy is exactly what I think he’s is.

Mostly disorganized.

true, not sure yet...so many details we don't know. I do think the killer is religious due to the presser mentioning The Shack.