Israel - Palestinian militants launch massive attack, 7 Oct 2023 #5

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Incendiary comments/views help no one, and as we do not yet know the Truth, no US representative should comment/place blame. This will inflame an already on fire situation. Anyone in any government position should know better, and his comment should be removed.
He probably spoke because he believes the Pentagon investigation.
“U.S. President Joe Biden on Wednesday said he received information from the Pentagon that indicated the Israeli Defense Forces were not behind the Gaza hospital blast of Tuesday evening, which killed hundreds of people sheltering inside.”

 

Biden warns Netanyahu to observe 'laws of war'​

Tom Bateman
Reporting from Tel Aviv

President Biden’s speech was written to connect personally with the grief and shock being felt by ordinary Israelis.

It was the language of solidarity. But there were some real announcements too. He said he’d asked Mr Netanyahu to allow aid through to Gaza from Egypt.

It seems the Israeli government agreed to some limited kinds of supplies getting in. That feels like a breakthrough.

But let’s watch to see if the crossing does indeed open this time.

The meetings went on far longer than scheduled.

We were waiting most of the afternoon in the Tel Aviv hotel basement where the leaders held talks, including a session involving the Israeli emergency war cabinet.

Biden said there was no higher priority that dealing with the issue of the hostages held by Hamas.

But “I can't speak publicly about all the details”, he said.

Before the talks, travelling reporters got some clues from US officials about what the points of discussion would be.

And remember, all of this is still taking place before Israel has launched its expected ground assault, with troops amassed on the Gaza perimeter.

President Biden sounded a warning to Israel not to be “consumed by rage” but to observe the “laws of war”.

Democracies are different from terrorist groups because democracies have values, he said.

“We must go back to the beginning and remember who we are. We are all human beings… with dignity, humanity and purpose.”

Earlier, the US National Security Council spokesman John Kirby had said Mr Biden would ask the Israeli leader some “tough questions”.

That was likely to mean him scrutinising the concrete aims and objectives of the military campaign.

With this crisis only just starting, the Americans want as much information as they can get about where it might end up.

 
I find it useful to look at Al Jezeera for an English language taste of what might be broadcasting to people in Arab countries. Note: this is not a good idea for anyone who can't tolerate that some people see things differently than they do.

JMO
US Mainstream Media is full of BS, and unreliable overall, as soo many facts are often left out of stories. Most TV personalities are just News Readers, and know nothing...Not Investigative Journalists. I so miss Walter Cronkite and Peter Jennings...
 

UN agency warns of impending 'health disaster' in Gaza​

A short while ago we heard from Juliette Touma, a spokesperson for the UN's agency for Palestinian refugees (Unrwa), who says the blast at the Al Ahli hospital in Gaza City was "horrendous".

She says civilians "should be protected" but "no place is safe" in Gaza.
Touma says the unnecessary loss of lives "has got to stop" and a ceasefire is "absolutely critical".

She says a siege on the Gaza strip is still ongoing and called for Unrwa and other aid agencies to be given access to allow them to bring in vital supplies.

"We're going to have a health disaster soon in Gaza if we do not have our humanitarian supplies go into Gaza for people who need it most," she adds.

The Israeli government has announced that food, water and medicine will be allowed to enter the Gaza strip through the Rafah crossing on the Gaza-Egypt border.

 
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Turkey’s president, Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, was also critical of the UN’s security council failure to pass the resolution for a humanitarian pause in the fighting.

Erdoğan wrote in a statement on social media:

The United Nations Security Council, which has become completely ineffective, has once again failed to fulfil its responsibility.
Western countries, which leave no stone unturned when it comes to human rights and freedoms, have taken no steps other than adding fuel to the fire.
He added that the “heinous attack” on al-Ahli Arab hospital “has brought the massacre in Gaza to another level”.


 
48m ago

Human Rights Watch has criticised the US for vetoing a UN security council resolution that would have called for humanitarian corridors, a pause in the fighting and a rescinding of the order by Israel requiring citizens in Gaza to leave the north of the territory.

Louis Charbonneau, HRW’s UN director, said the US once again “cynically used their veto to prevent the UN Security Council from acting on Israel and Palestine at a time of unprecedented carnage.”

In so doing, they blocked the very demands they so often insist upon in other contexts: all parties to comply with international humanitarian law and ensure that vital humanitarian aid and essential services reach people in need.
They also blocked condemnation of the Hamas-led Oct 7 attack & demand for the release of the hostages. In light of the council’s deadlock, UN member countries should ask the General Assembly to take urgent action to protect civilians & prevent large-scale atrocities.



 
2h ago

Israel says it will allow limited aid to enter Gaza from Egypt​

Israel will allow Egypt to deliver limited quantities of humanitarian aid to the Gaza Strip, the office of the prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, has said.

The decision was approved in light of a request from the visiting US president, Joe Biden, a statement said.

In light of President (Joseph) Biden’s demand, Israel will not thwart humanitarian supplies from Egypt as long as it is only food, water and medicine for the civilian population in the souther Gaza Strip.
The statement made no mention of badly needed fuel. It is not clear when the aid will start flowing.

The statement continued:

Israel will not allow any humanitarian aid from its territory to the Gaza Strip as long as our hostages are not


 
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US vetoes UN security council resolution on humanitarian pause​

Patrick Wintour

A US veto led to the UN security council failing to agree to any resolution on the Middle East crisis after the US rejected a Brazil-sponsored proposal that called for humanitarian corridors, a pause in the fighting and a rescinding of the order by Israel requiring citizens in Gaza to leave the north of the territory.

The text supported by 12 of the 15 members of the security council including criticism of “heinous terrorist crimes by Hamas” and made no direct criticism of Israel. But it was opposed on Wednesday by the US ambassador, Linda Thomas-Greenfield, on the basis that it made no mention of Israel’s right to self-defence. The UK abstained.

The US ambassador said she was horrified and saddened by the loss of life, but added that it was Hamas’s actions that had brought about the humanitarian crisis. She also called for time to let Biden’s diplomacy play out.

Israel thanked the US for using its veto.

Two members of the G7 on the council, Japan and France, backed the Brazil motion.

China said it was in a state of shock and disappointed at the US veto, saying “it was nothing short of unbelievable”.

Russia’s two amendments to the Brazil resolution called for a durable ceasefire and an end to the indiscriminate attacks by Israel. Its amendments were vetoed by the US, but had only six and seven votes, insufficient for the required majority of nine and no vetoes.

Brazil, the current president of the security council, had spent the last three days trying to negotiate a balanced ceasefire resolution, and claimed its compromise was balanced, pointing out that it blamed Hamas for “henious acts of terrorism”.

The Brazil motion also called for “humanitarian pauses to allow full, rapid, safe and unhindered humanitarian access for
UN humanitarian agencies and their
implementing partners, the International Committee of
the Red Cross and other impartial humanitarian
organizations, and encourages the establishment of
humanitarian corridors and other initiatives for the
delivery of humanitarian aid to civilians”.

The UK said the draft resolution needed to be clearer on Israel’s right to self-defence and ignored the fact that Hamas was using civilians as human shields.

The outcome is unlikely to help western diplomatic efforts to woo the global south over Ukraine since the US and to a lesser extent the UK is likely to be accused of double standards in its calls for Russia to abide by humanitarian law.


 

Young couple and baby burned by terrorists in Kfar Aza home fight for their lives​

As staff at Sheba Medical Center work to save the young family, wife’s brother tells of harrowing hours when he and other relatives lost contact with them​


IMG_8508.jpeg

 
And how many deaths and injuries did these cause? I am sure that Israel was blamed for all of them. JMO
That's sadly prob. correct, even if many of these failed rockets were of Gaza 'design'; and if we consider it , it's maybe a way that Hamas /Gaza gov't. can keep it's populace inflamed and loyal !
Like, "See what Israel keeps doing to you ?".
"It's not Hamas doing this, it's Israel."

Whilst Hamas stays safe and provided for, most likely in their tunnel system.
Unreal.
Omo.
 
Great post: why were all these news outlets and others so ready to believe Israel did this- I just knew they didn't - they would not target a hospital but besides that there apparently is proof they didn't.
Maybe because this wouldn’t have been the first time? During the May 2021 Israeli- Palestinian conflict:

“Israel then began a campaign of airstrikes against Gaza; by 16 May, some 950 targeted attacks had demolished, completely or partially: 18 buildings, including four high-rise towers; 40 schools and four hospitals”


Editing to add that I am not inferring Israel had anything to do with the recent hospital bombing, but there is precedent, so sadly, it wasn’t an outlandish possibility, IMO.
 
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With today's technology, I am sure US satellites captured the incident at the Gaza hospital. It cannot be otherwise. Whether the US can reveal the imagery depends on whether sharing it can reveal information on capabilities that it needs to protect.

What this incident shows is the continuing impossibility of negotiating peace. If the Arab world cannot accept any facts that reflect badly on Hamas, how can it be a partner for fair and reasonable peace negotiations?

US & UK ( and others ) have the naval carriers which are monitoring in the area. US also has military reconnaissance aircraft close by.

On top of that, some of the Arab nations must already know the truth.
Whether their populations can accept the facts & whether those leaders would risk their own positions to tell them it is a different question
 
US Mainstream Media is full of BS, and unreliable overall, as soo many facts are often left out of stories. Most TV personalities are just News Readers, and know nothing...Not Investigative Journalists. I so miss Walter Cronkite and Peter Jennings...
Yes those were the days - I have the impression that the news media formerly tried to help people understand the world, whereas now the priority is to shock and appall them, and stir up controversy - in order to keep people glued to their screens 24/7.

JMO
 
2h ago

US vetoes UN security council resolution on humanitarian pause​

Patrick Wintour

A US veto led to the UN security council failing to agree to any resolution on the Middle East crisis after the US rejected a Brazil-sponsored proposal that called for humanitarian corridors, a pause in the fighting and a rescinding of the order by Israel requiring citizens in Gaza to leave the north of the territory.

The text supported by 12 of the 15 members of the security council including criticism of “heinous terrorist crimes by Hamas” and made no direct criticism of Israel. But it was opposed on Wednesday by the US ambassador, Linda Thomas-Greenfield, on the basis that it made no mention of Israel’s right to self-defence. The UK abstained.

The US ambassador said she was horrified and saddened by the loss of life, but added that it was Hamas’s actions that had brought about the humanitarian crisis. She also called for time to let Biden’s diplomacy play out.

Israel thanked the US for using its veto.

Two members of the G7 on the council, Japan and France, backed the Brazil motion.

China said it was in a state of shock and disappointed at the US veto, saying “it was nothing short of unbelievable”.

Russia’s two amendments to the Brazil resolution called for a durable ceasefire and an end to the indiscriminate attacks by Israel. Its amendments were vetoed by the US, but had only six and seven votes, insufficient for the required majority of nine and no vetoes.

Brazil, the current president of the security council, had spent the last three days trying to negotiate a balanced ceasefire resolution, and claimed its compromise was balanced, pointing out that it blamed Hamas for “henious acts of terrorism”.

The Brazil motion also called for “humanitarian pauses to allow full, rapid, safe and unhindered humanitarian access for
UN humanitarian agencies and their
implementing partners, the International Committee of
the Red Cross and other impartial humanitarian
organizations, and encourages the establishment of
humanitarian corridors and other initiatives for the
delivery of humanitarian aid to civilians”.

The UK said the draft resolution needed to be clearer on Israel’s right to self-defence and ignored the fact that Hamas was using civilians as human shields.

The outcome is unlikely to help western diplomatic efforts to woo the global south over Ukraine since the US and to a lesser extent the UK is likely to be accused of double standards in its calls for Russia to abide by humanitarian law.


Red bolding mine.
Hmm.
Sounds more like these nations want Israel to back down ... and give up the fight ?
They must know (they're not stupid !) if Israel gives in and allows all citizens back --- that Hamas is using these people as human shields and will continue to strengthen, use more aid money for weapons, & plot more attacks ?
Omo.
 
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Rep Josh Gottheimer
@RepJoshG

Erroneous reports and some Members of Congress took the word of Hamas terrorists as truth following the horrific Al-Ahli Arab Hospital bombing. They should remove their posts, update their headlines, and remember not to trust terrorists who brutally murdered innocent civilians.

Thanks for the link. ^^^

U.S. Rep. J.G. is allowed to share his opinion.

The terrorist group Hamas, and those who side with them, are certainly voicing their opinion, supported in part by many around the world, sadly.
No waiting for facts.
But it's looking bad for Hamas and for the Hezbollah/Iranian Rev. Guard.
Omo.
 
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