Israel - Palestinian militants launch massive attack, 7 Oct 2023 #9

[Momoffourboys]

Hezbollah has released Footage showing their recent Killing of an Israeli Civilian caused by them Striking his Truck with an Anti-Tank Guided Missile in Northern Israel near the Border with Lebanon.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1721642566414696832

 

[Vern]

Half of the current Palestinian population were too young or not even born when Hamas was elected. So, nope not everyone bears the repercussions.

And Hamas' goal of destroying Israel wasn't the reason why they were elected. It was desperation. From this source

"However, new polling following the election indicated that two-thirds of Palestinians believed Hamas should change its policy of rejecting Israel's right to exist. Most also supported a two-state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Post-election polls indicated that Hamas' victory was due largely to Palestinians' desire to end corruption in government rather than support for the organization's political platform"

July 2023, 57% of Gazan Palestinians favourably supported Hamas as their governing body.

Not “Just Hamas”

Evidence suggests that the terror group, or at least its policy toward Jews, is popular among Palestinians.

www.city-journal.org

What Palestinians Really Think of Hamas

Before the war, Gaza’s leaders were deeply unpopular—but an Israeli crackdown could change that.

www.foreignaffairs.com

 

[Elley Mae]

We live and learn.
And you seem to be an expert

I see a difference in an expert and someone with knowledge.

Jmo

 

[Vern]

I see a difference in an expert and someone with knowledge.

Jmo

Me too.

Anway, politics is off limits on this site IIRC.

 

[Friday Fan]

Legitimate source for this allegation?

(I have seen that stated on a known conspiracy theorists' site and Xitter).

The Price for Netanyahu of Misjudging Hamas

Welcome to Balance of Power, bringing you the latest in global politics. If you haven’t yet, sign up here.

www.bloomberg.com

He effectively undermined the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank in a divide-and-conquer approach, they say. And he allowed the arrival of hundreds of millions of dollars in Qatari aid for Gaza, which may have permitted Hamas to spend intensively on military training.

For years, Netanyahu propped up Hamas. Now it’s blown up in our faces

The premier's policy of treating the terror group as a partner, at the expense of Abbas and Palestinian statehood, has resulted in wounds that will take Israel years to heal from

www.timesofisrael.com

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www.cbc.ca

How Benjamin Netanyahu empowered Hamas ... and broke Israel

Polling shows majority blame the PM not just for military failures but for ‘propping up’ the terrorist group in the first place

www.telegraph.co.uk

Why did Netanyahu want to strengthen Hamas?

***

www.haaretz.com

From 2019

Netanyahu: Money to Hamas part of strategy to keep Palestinians divided

“Now that we are supervising, we know it’s going to humanitarian causes,” the source said, paraphrasing Netanyahu.

www.jpost.com

From 2018

Hamas Israel’s own creation

From the blog of Shlomo Alegra at The Times of Israel

blogs.timesofisrael.com

Netanyahu defends Qatari cash infusion to Gaza - France 24

Netanyahu defends Qatari cash infusion to Gaza

www.france24.com

From 2009

How Israel Helped Spawn Hamas: Wall Street Journal

How Israel Helped Spawn Hamas: Wall Street Journal

www.huffpost.com

 

[Dotta]

Me too.

Anway, politics is off limits on this site IIRC.

Isn't this conflict the epitome of politics???

Reasons, consequences, etc?

 

[Vern]

Nov 6 (Reuters) - The United Arab Emirates will establish a fully equipped field hospital in the Gaza Strip, the state news agency said on Monday without elaborating whether there is an agreement on this initiative with Israel.

https://x.com/idreesali114/status/1721639353141629275?s=20

Worked with the UAE in 2003 and again in Afghainstan in 2010/11; this is good news for innocent Palestinians IMO.

 

[HmmMysterious]

July 2023, 57% of Gazan Palestinians favourably supported Hamas as their governing body.

Not “Just Hamas”

Evidence suggests that the terror group, or at least its policy toward Jews, is popular among Palestinians.

www.city-journal.org

What Palestinians Really Think of Hamas

Before the war, Gaza’s leaders were deeply unpopular—but an Israeli crackdown could change that.

www.foreignaffairs.com

I already cited this article. Clearly you need to read that poll better

According to the latest Washington Institute polling, conducted in July 2023, Hamas’s decision to break the ceasefire was not a popular move. While the majority of Gazans (65%) did think it likely that there would be “a large military conflict between Israel and Hamas in Gaza” this year, a similar percentage (62%) supported Hamas maintaining a ceasefire with Israel. Moreover, half (50%) agreed with the following proposal: “Hamas should stop calling for Israel’s destruction, and instead accept a permanent two-state solution based on the 1967 borders.”
In fact, Gazan frustration with Hamas governance is clear; most Gazans expressed a preference for PA administration and security officials over Hamas—the majority of Gazans (70%) supported a proposal of the PA sending “officials and security officers to Gaza to take over the administration there, with Hamas giving up separate armed units,” including 47% who strongly agreed.

 

[Vern]

Isn't this conflict the epitome of politics???

Reasons, consequences, etc?

BN --- no.

Terrorist Attacks by Hamas upon innocent civilians on 7 October 2023 is what caused this war as per thread title. I'm going back to that discussion now FWIW.

IMO, this is what happens when conspiracy theories are allowed to be brought into threads.

 

[Friday Fan]

Spent a very significant amount of time there as a UN Observer of cease-fires and truces on their borders so yeah, I guess I know some stuff. Needed to to actually do my job.

We only have the MSM, so we aren't experts.

But I do know that my tax dollars are funding this war.
I have every right to expect accountability.

This is the United State's war too.
What happens will affect the United States.
I live in Texas surrounded by military bases. Lackland, Randolph, Ft Sam Houston, and Camp Bullis, all in my town. Also have huge NSA facility.

I know that for a fact!

 

[Vern]

We only have the MSM, so we aren't experts.

But I do know that my tax dollars are funding this war.
I have every right to expect accountability.

This is the United State's war too.
What happens will affect the United States.

I know that for a fact!

MY tax dollars are going there too BTW. We have troops there too BTW. We have hostages there too BTW. And France, etc etc.

I also have the right to expect accountability and honesty.

No sole monopoly by the US in this war although they may be the largest.

 

[Teche]

The Hamas terrorist billionaires who live in marble-floored mansions and luxury hotels as they decry Gaza poverty after profiting from misery and terror https://trib.al/dSigq2C

https://twitter.com/x/status/1721560506832425420

Lap blankets and white tablecloths. These pictures need to be shown to the world. 24/7.

 

[Teche]

Israeli forces operating in the northern Gaza Strip have located several rocket launchers and some 50 rockets, located in a compound used by a youth movement and a mosque, the military says.The IDF publishes a video of the commander of the Nahal Brigade’s 50th Battalion, Lt. Col. Tomer Sayag, showing dozens of rocket launchers his forces found inside a building used by the Palestinian Scout Association.Sayag says the empty rocket launchers were aimed at Ashkelon or central Israeli cities. Outside, some 50 rockets — bearing the logo of the Palestinian Islamic Jihad — were found in an underground storage site.Separately, the IDF releases a video of the 460th Armored Brigade locating a number of empty underground rocket launchers adjacent to a mosque in northern Gaza. The video shows the launchers’ electrical wiring running inside the mosque, from which they are activated.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1721565783099118059

Hospitals. Schools. Playgrounds. Ambulances. Mosques.
Lets see the UN make mention of this. Nope.

Their version of Boy Scouts. Sickening.

 

[kimpage]

The Price for Netanyahu of Misjudging Hamas

Welcome to Balance of Power, bringing you the latest in global politics. If you haven’t yet, sign up here.

www.bloomberg.com

He effectively undermined the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank in a divide-and-conquer approach, they say. And he allowed the arrival of hundreds of millions of dollars in Qatari aid for Gaza, which may have permitted Hamas to spend intensively on military training.

For years, Netanyahu propped up Hamas. Now it’s blown up in our faces

The premier's policy of treating the terror group as a partner, at the expense of Abbas and Palestinian statehood, has resulted in wounds that will take Israel years to heal from

www.timesofisrael.com

Loading…

www.cbc.ca

How Benjamin Netanyahu empowered Hamas ... and broke Israel

Polling shows majority blame the PM not just for military failures but for ‘propping up’ the terrorist group in the first place

www.telegraph.co.uk

Why did Netanyahu want to strengthen Hamas?

***

www.haaretz.com

From 2019

Netanyahu: Money to Hamas part of strategy to keep Palestinians divided

“Now that we are supervising, we know it’s going to humanitarian causes,” the source said, paraphrasing Netanyahu.

www.jpost.com

From 2018

Hamas Israel’s own creation

From the blog of Shlomo Alegra at The Times of Israel

blogs.timesofisrael.com

Netanyahu defends Qatari cash infusion to Gaza - France 24

Netanyahu defends Qatari cash infusion to Gaza

www.france24.com

From 2009

How Israel Helped Spawn Hamas: Wall Street Journal

How Israel Helped Spawn Hamas: Wall Street Journal

www.huffpost.com

I've read a few of these. Nothing in life happens in a Vacuum Nothing. JMO

 

[Arkay]

I'll choose not to play into it; it's IMO asolutely absurd. All those IDF soldiers at their outposts would have had to assist him and ignore what was ocurring when the technical fence was initilly breached. The did not ignore it - they simply were surprised by the sheer scale and breadth of the initial breaches and attacks

I agree completely.

It’s true that Israeli intelligence as well as U.S. intelligence were caught completely off-guard. In a country surrounded by enemies, IMO there is no excuse for that lapse.

The Israeli military was not expecting this, either, and I believe that’s why it took them so long to rescue the victims who could be rescued. They didn’t know it was coming and weren’t ready.

There are aspects of Netanyahu that I love and aspects that I do not love.

But IMO it is ridiculous to even think for a moment that he WANTED thousands of Israelis to be butchered and kidnapped.

First of all, that is antithetical to his entire life and secondly, it’s absurd to hypothesize that by “allowing”
Hamas to slaughter Jews, that would raise his popularity in any way and for any reason.

IMO

 

[Momoffourboys]

Let's dig deeper into the Qatari Hospital. I'm aware of Hamas and others' claims about the tunnel. We know and have proven that the hospital was used for fighting, and have started to clear the underground infrastructure and tunnels from booby traps. Will update on our findings

https://twitter.com/x/status/1721657795202736472

 

[HmmMysterious]

Let's dig deeper into the Qatari Hospital. I'm aware of Hamas and others' claims about the tunnel. We know and have proven that the hospital was used for fighting, and have started to clear the underground infrastructure and tunnels from booby traps. Will update on our findings

https://twitter.com/x/status/1721657795202736472

The engineer of the hospital begs to differ

Engineer Saad Al-Wahidi: “What the occupation claimed was a tunnel opening in the Indonesian hospital, is in fact a fuel store, and the plans presented by IOF itself prove this.”



https://x.com/tamars/status/1721217314677309500?s=20

 

[Momoffourboys]

Live update: Firefighters from Miami Beach head to Israel to help in war effort

https://twitter.com/x/status/1721582999626788964

 

[Momoffourboys]

Live update: IDF Southern Command chief joins ground troops in Gaza Strip to assess tunnels http://dlvr.it/SyT2p3

https://twitter.com/x/status/1721605901663322128

 

[Momoffourboys]

After surviving the Nova massacre, Yoni Diller went to the U.S to fight antisemitism by telling his story'I speak on behalf of those who don't have the fortune to tell the story... It is very important to share the story, make people understand who Hamas really is,' he says

https://twitter.com/x/status/1721663904873325045