Kyron's General Discussion Thread for 2012-13

[cluciano63]

JMO, this is only solvable IF Terri is guilty...since there does not seem to be any other suspect or working theory. And not even sure LE can move forward in any case. Three years is a long to be basically in the same place. JMO

 

[nosysw]

I am kind of firm in the belief that if DDS is cooperating, finally, with the GJ then there is something going on which is propelling the case against TH forward. I understand why Desiree would drop the lawsuit-the discovery process would give TH access to the investigation, possibly at a critical time. The equation is a simple one and if I were Desiree, I would drop it too. She can file a wrongful death (God help her...) in a few years and make her pay ala OJ I think. If there hasnt been any justice by this time.

I am optimistic-this case is solveable imvho. I think Kyron can be found as well. I dont think the time line prohibits him being found. It is just going to take very very meticulous extensive continued searching in an area that has very difficult undergrowth etc. At least that is my vho.

Kyron baby-where are you??

I am of the same mind, and faith rayer: I wasn't feeling this way a couple of months ago, for sure.

 

[human]

JMO, this is only solvable IF Terri is guilty...since there does not seem to be any other suspect or working theory. And not even sure LE can move forward in any case. Three years is a long to be basically in the same place. JMO

We have no idea what LE has or knows. Look at the other cases, such as Alanna,

LE knew plenty that we had no clue about

 

[cluciano63]

We have no idea what LE has or knows. Look at the other cases, such as Alanna,

LE knew plenty that we had no clue about

I know, but this is years...JMO

 

[ami]

I know, but this is years...JMO

If they haven't charged someone yet, then the fact that it's years doesn't change their ability to share all their evidence.

 

[blefuscu]

There is no way LE would share everything they know. I think that they need to have a solid case before they arrest anyone. Now that DDS is talking I think things may possibly start to move forward.

 

[rosesfromangels]

There is no way LE would share everything they know. I think that they need to have a solid case before they arrest anyone. Now that DDS is talking I think things may possibly start to move forward.

Maybe she's been having bad dreams

 

[Batshift]

I've always wondered if TH was protecting her son somehow. The only reason I can think of for her to give up her daughter is if she was protecting her son. Maybe his friends? had something to do with it? Maybe he had information and she didn't want him involved? Thought she would protect him if she said nothing?

I wish I knew. Kyron, may the Angels hold your hand until you are found.

 

[Rayne]

I've always wondered if TH was protecting her son somehow. The only reason I can think of for her to give up her daughter is if she was protecting her son. Maybe his friends? had something to do with it? Maybe he had information and she didn't want him involved? Thought she would protect him if she said nothing?

I wish I knew. Kyron, may the Angels hold your hand until you are found.

This is a really good point. One of the biggest hurdles for me was always TMH's refusal to fight for her daughter, at least visitation. If I was in her shoes and "knew I was innocent" - or at least knew they had nothing on me (the MFH sting was a bust, and they couldn't have had enough hard evidence regarding Kyron or something would have given by now) then I would have pushed that issue endlessly, and never stopped. Without evidence it's KH's word against hers, so what would she have to lose? Maybe I'm missing something (wouldn't be the first time!) but that's my thought.

But having another reason - like protecting someone else very close to her - might explain it. (of course, so would being guilty and knowing it! :banghead: )

 

[nosysw]

When I think of TH's son, my mind goes to TH motive again. Weren't there issues between Kaine and her son, IIRC. I'm a little foggy on it but I believe he lived with them at some point(?) If Kaine couldn't deal with her son, but she had to deal with Kyron, who she apparently despised, it would be one more thing that could provide motive. Not just to rid herself of Kyron, but to punish Kaine. All moo, and just thinking out loud, not really suggesting her son had anything to do with anything. I wonder what his relationship with Kyron was like and what he himself is like. Does he still live with TH at her parents' home (assuming she still does)?

 

[ami]

When I think of TH's son, my mind goes to TH motive again. Weren't there issues between Kaine and her son, IIRC. I'm a little foggy on it but I believe he lived with them at some point(?) If Kaine couldn't deal with her son, but she had to deal with Kyron, who she apparently despised, it would be one more thing that could provide motive. Not just to rid herself of Kyron, but to punish Kaine. All moo, and just thinking out loud, not really suggesting her son had anything to do with anything. I wonder what his relationship with Kyron was like and what he himself is like. Does he still live with TH at her parents' home (assuming she still does)?

You're right, it might be beneficial to revisit the information we have about the older son, as far as TMH's possible motivation to get rid of Kyron.

I remember the story is that Terri told someone at the gym that Kaine was making her older son move out of their house. Apparently J moved out a few months before Kyron vanished.

(this is one news source with a brief mention of it: http://www.katu.com/news/local/100309979.html )

...Terri kept complaining – to anyone who would listen – that Kaine was allegedly making her teenage son move out.

Terri’s 16-year-old son did move out of the home in March.

Friends, who worked out with Terri Horman at that 24-Hour Fitness, testified before a grand jury Monday....

And then remember Terri claimed that as soon as J moved in with her parents, his grades got better and she attributed this to being "away from Kaine" (http://www.katu.com/news/local/100511654.html) for reference.

And remember Kaine said that yes, he and J butted heads but no more than normal for parents, stepparents and teenagers, and that it was actually Terri who was at odds with J.

And then I found this news interview with J's biological father in which he also says that Terri blamed J's move on Kaine, but then J's father goes on to say that as soon as Terri moved in with her parents, J moved out and went to live with his dad: http://www.wweek.com/portland/blog-908-stepmom_moves_into_parents_house_but_first_son_alr.html

That's just the quick rehash, but I forgot how those emails TMH wrote blaming Kaine for J moving out made me think this was a motive in Kyron's disappearance.

 

[Donjeta]

And then I found this news interview with J's biological father in which he also says that Terri blamed J's move on Kaine, but then J's father goes on to say that as soon as Terri moved in with her parents, J moved out and went to live with his dad: http://www.wweek.com/portland/blog-908-stepmom_moves_into_parents_house_but_first_son_alr.html

The son moving out makes sense to me either way. Whether they were in the best of terms or constantly fighting, if I had any say in it, I wouldn't choose for a teenager to be living with anyone who is practically a murder suspect. Even if the person is innocent there could be all kinds of crazies who are outraged she's getting away with it and come to harass the family or burn their house and I'd rather my kids stay out of there. It's easier to live a semi-normal life with a parent who is not in seclusion because everybody thinks she might have disappeared a child.

 

[JeannaT]

So IF they found some type of evidence left in the woods behind the school, does that clear TH?

I heard some blip on CNN (I think it was CNN) that showed Desiree saying items of interest were found.

Now, nothing. No one else said items of interest were found, and the story seems to have completely vanished.

So WERE items of interest found, or was it just like, generic stuff that could have been anyone's?

 

[Mollyandme]

I heard some blip on CNN (I think it was CNN) that showed Desiree saying items of interest were found.

Now, nothing. No one else said items of interest were found, and the story seems to have completely vanished.

So WERE items of interest found, or was it just like, generic stuff that could have been anyone's?

i think they found stuff and turned it over to authorities. we don't know yet if it was generic stuff or something of interest, if it was something obviously related to the case I would imagine LE would have been over there immediately so maybe it was stuff that could possibly related but LE will have to go through whatever it is they found to make that determination. i applaud Desiree and all those who continue to search for Kyron and any evidence that could help further his case.

 

[blefuscu]

I heard some blip on CNN (I think it was CNN) that showed Desiree saying items of interest were found.

Now, nothing. No one else said items of interest were found, and the story seems to have completely vanished.

So WERE items of interest found, or was it just like, generic stuff that could have been anyone's?

Any stuff found would probably need to go for testing before it gets confirmed by LE. I still think LE are working to build a case enough to charge whoever it is who made Kyron disappear.

 

[pdx]

Oh, yes. She'll gladly blab about the missing and perhaps murdered child case to People magazine and uneducated conspiracy loons (while painting herself as the victim of the missing child case, no less!! Forget Kyron, SHE has been victimized, she claims) but if police searching for a missing child want that information they have to PAY her for it, in immunity. Actually... come to think of it I wonder if she didn't talk to reputable news sources because they wouldn't pay her.

ami, did you read the interview? I ask because, isn't it possible that there are multiple layers of victimization? And one person being a victim does not take away from Kyron also being the victim, they are not mutually exclusive. There doesn't have to be just one victim.

Just for the sake of argument, put yourself in her shoes; wouldn't you want some kind of assurance (deal) if you felt you had been harassed for three years, telling your one same story (let's call it the truth) but still being threatened with arrest for an unrelated item, being stalked at your employment etc etc ?

BOC stated they did not pay her for the interview.

 

[eileenhawkeye]

I heard some blip on CNN (I think it was CNN) that showed Desiree saying items of interest were found.

Now, nothing. No one else said items of interest were found, and the story seems to have completely vanished.

So WERE items of interest found, or was it just like, generic stuff that could have been anyone's?

I wouldn't say the story has vanished; that makes it sound like a conspiracy. If LE is not ready to reveal what those items are to the public, then we aren't going to hear more about them.

 

[arielilane]

I heard some blip on CNN (I think it was CNN) that showed Desiree saying items of interest were found.

Now, nothing. No one else said items of interest were found, and the story seems to have completely vanished.

So WERE items of interest found, or was it just like, generic stuff that could have been anyone's?

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_...issing-since-2010-was-successful-mother-says/

CNN and many other media reporting as well.

 

[human]

ami, did you read the interview? I ask because, isn't it possible that there are multiple layers of victimization? And one person being a victim does not take away from Kyron also being the victim, they are not mutually exclusive. There doesn't have to be just one victim.

Just for the sake of argument, put yourself in her shoes; wouldn't you want some kind of assurance (deal) if you felt you had been harassed for three years, telling your one same story (let's call it the truth) but still being threatened with arrest for an unrelated item, being stalked at your employment etc etc ?

BOC stated they did not pay her for the interview.

Deal for what?

How can she get a deal for saying she knows nothing?

 

[ami]

ami, did you read the interview? I ask because, isn't it possible that there are multiple layers of victimization? And one person being a victim does not take away from Kyron also being the victim, they are not mutually exclusive. There doesn't have to be just one victim.

Just for the sake of argument, put yourself in her shoes; wouldn't you want some kind of assurance (deal) if you felt you had been harassed for three years, telling your one same story (let's call it the truth) but still being threatened with arrest for an unrelated item, being stalked at your employment etc etc ?

BOC stated they did not pay her for the interview.

Yes I read the interview and I found it self-serving on her part and nauseatingly toadying on theirs. incidentally, I read the article after the website's Kyron link directed me to a Viagra ad when clicking on his name. How sick.

In DeDe's story she says she is innocent, consistent, misunderstood and victimized. In her account, her off-the-cuff statements to LE (she would have you believe) read like a legal press release and sound strangely nothing like the rest of her narrative. The interviewer goads the dimwitted DeDe to use words like "terrified" and "blackmail" when the interview starts getting dull. In the interview DeDe is clearly easily led and will agree with anything in her desire to gain approval, so if the interviewer suggests something she hasn't said, she agrees to it anyway. The way she describes the "bad guys" (LE, attorneys, anyone who doesn't like her) is almost comic-book villainesque. It's like a little kid story, or the way a kid lies.

And they can say they didn't pay her for it, but that doesn't make it true. It's simply not a reputable website and on this story they weren't even trying to let her speak her own story, but were leading and guiding her to reflect the story they wanted. I don't give it any credibility whatsoever.

Do I think she's the victim of people associating her with a murderer? Yes, and that's unfortunate and I would not want to be in that position. Would I resist talking to LE because I feared for having to pay the price for another issue? (I'm sure the other issue was the financial fraud she committed, but she drew the line at saying anything negative about herself). No, I wouldn't.