Found Deceased MA - Jaimee Mendez, 25, Swampscott, 6 Nov 2014 - #1 *Arrest*

[HCOM]

Here are the two images from the father's public FB page, showing that beach at high tide and low tide. His post reads, "The picture with the wave coming over the wall was taken 3 weeks before Jaimee came home. While I was taking the pictures I was standing in the same spot as the person standing in the second picture. coincidence?"

The low tide image highlights boston_baby's statement that the beach is very wide and flat. And I agree, there is no place to launch a boat there. Vehicles are not allowed on the beach. And even if one were to throw something off the wall the receding tide would not have had the strength to pull it out to sea.

The view in the third picture is looking from the opposite direction, towards the restaurant.

 

[HCOM]

That marina is in Nahant. I will never say never, but knowing the nature of Nahant (tiny. Everyone knows everyone. Everyone knows everyone else's car, proximity and density of housing, etc.), it's highly unlikely someone would get away with such a thing from such a location. Like I said, never say never, though.

I believe they would also have to drive past the police station, yes?

 

[boston_baby]

Yeah., that middle pic shows the slpashover and approach of the sea during storms. At those times, the water has a depth at the seawall that it doesn't have at a normal high tide.

 

[boston_baby]

I believe they would also have to drive past the police station, yes?

Most likely. You could take a roundabout way to avoid it, but then you'd be even more in the heart of everyone-knows-everyone Nahant.

 

[FindHG]

Most likely. You could take a roundabout way to avoid it, but then you'd be even more in the heart of everyone-knows-everyone Nahant.

However misty or foggy it would have been that night, being noticed going out on the water would have to have been of concern between about 6 and 10 pm, the circumstances and timing don't lend themselves to a hide in plain sight situation. Thanks again. Had this old image in my attachments.

 

[HCOM]

Here is an image of the bay showing depth of the water, to give some idea of how far out one would need to go to be relatively certain an item would be deep enough, with the expectation it would not be found.

The full harbormaster image is here: http://www.harbormasters.org/charts/13275 Salem and Lynn Harbors Ma.png

 

[HCOM]

Here is another image of the area, with the Lynnway marina circled. In order to go from that marina to Nahant bay one would need to travel through a very narrow channel, and then circle all the way around Nahant. This scenario seems unlikely, although not impossible.

 

[HCOM]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPs4HjDH2n4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpGTKMhv24g

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCQlCDlZpNw

This is just way too eerie. Video footage on youtube of the night she washed ashore, at 4:00AM, showing what the waves were like. They were strong enough to wash all the way across the street, and police were there to block traffic.

 

[boston_baby]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPs4HjDH2n4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpGTKMhv24g

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCQlCDlZpNw

This is just way too eerie. Video footage on youtube of the night she washed ashore, at 4:00AM, showing what the waves were like. They were strong enough to wash all the way across the street, and police were there to block traffic.

I know! That was a heck of a storm! This one was especially violent with the seas, but people more or less always show up at the seawall to take it all in any time there is a big storm. I spent a hurricane or two there myself. Those seas were definitely enough to pull lots of things in from deep in the bay. Where I live now further up the north shore, several boats came off their moorings and washed ashore.

 

[FindHG]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPs4HjDH2n4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpGTKMhv24g

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCQlCDlZpNw

This is just way too eerie. Video footage on youtube of the night she washed ashore, at 4:00AM, showing what the waves were like. They were strong enough to wash all the way across the street, and police were there to block traffic.

Yes, respectfully to you, very. Spiritual physics? From your link and photos posted

 

[HCOM]

Spiritual physics?

I certainly think so.

 

[HCOM]

Yeah., that middle pic shows the slpashover and approach of the sea during storms. At those times, the water has a depth at the seawall that it doesn't have at a normal high tide.

Actually, that's normal splashover at high tide every time there is a full moon, so every 4 weeks. The picture was taken Jan 3, the full moon was Jan 4.

http://m.almanac.com/moon/full/MA/Swampscott

 

[HCOM]

"Swampscott, among North Shore coastal communities, is somewhat unique in that our Harbormaster's Department operates seasonally. The Harbormaster and Assistant Harbormasters work from Memorial Day through Labor Day."

http://www.harbormasters.org/crimewatch/swampscott.shtml

So there would have been no one on the immediate property by the pier to see a person or persons going into the water.

Here is the view from the left side of the harbormaster's building/Swampscott yacht club, showing dories and lobster traps stacked next to a solid wood fence:
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.467...ata=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1s0G-qU1u1dErIifveHh1Tnw!2e0

Here is the view from the right side of the same building showing dories stacked up, and a vehicle backed up to launch a boat:
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.467...ata=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sdRySHXh2ImJg3QO8UzzG6g!2e0

Here's the view looking directly across the street at the houses that would be looking down on the water/harbor:
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.467...ata=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sdRySHXh2ImJg3QO8UzzG6g!2e0

Possibilities that have crossed my mind (totally all my opinion):
I don't think anyone backed a vehicle up and launched a boat, but I do think the dories and traps on the left side of the building could have been available for use. I also think a vehicle could have been driven to the spot where the truck is located in the image, so they could have easily been off the street, potentially hidden to some degree behind the stack of boats/Doris on the rack.

What are the chances that on a rainy, foggy night someone in one of those condos/townhomes was looking outside at the water? Definitely could happen.

Because it was still fishing/lobstering season what are the chances that if someone looked out and saw a person in a boat they would have thought it strange? Maybe, maybe not. They may have just said, "WTH? What a nut!"

What are the chances that someone looked out, saw a person in a boat, said, "WTH?!" and called the police?

What are the chances the police came, and by the time they got there could not see anyone in the water, so they just left.

If a person stayed to the left of the building (facing the water) they would have been hidden by the fence on the left of them, and the building on the right. They could get to the water, row out under the pier for additional cover until they get to the end, then continue out in darkness.

What are the chances that if someone looked out, saw a boat, said WTH, did NOT call the police, they would remember three months later when remains wash up on the shore that they had seen a boat three months before?

What are the chances this has occurred before, in perhaps the case of Leeanne Redden, and the person/persons thought, they did it before, why not do it again?

Previous discussions have been about how busy a place it is, buses, etc., but Swampscott is a sleepy bedroom community, the bus that runs through there only has morning runs to Boston, and evening runs back from Boston. They run about an hour apart, there are only 3 or so in either direction, and last one into Swampscott is about 7PM. This end of the beach abuts the residential area. It is Kings beach and south from there, onto Lynn Shore Drive (LSD) and south onto the causeway that gets the heavy foot traffic, dog walkers, surf kiters, clammers, and so on.


MOO

 

[boston_baby]

"Swampscott, among North Shore coastal communities, is somewhat unique in that our Harbormaster's Department operates seasonally. The Harbormaster and Assistant Harbormasters work from Memorial Day through Labor Day."

http://www.harbormasters.org/crimewatch/swampscott.shtml

So there would have been no one on the immediate property by the pier to see a person or persons going into the water.

Here is the view from the left side of the harbormaster's building/Swampscott yacht club, showing dories and lobster traps stacked next to a solid wood fence:
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.467...ata=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1s0G-qU1u1dErIifveHh1Tnw!2e0

Here is the view from the right side of the same building showing dories stacked up, and a vehicle backed up to launch a boat:
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.467...ata=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sdRySHXh2ImJg3QO8UzzG6g!2e0

Here's the view looking directly across the street at the houses that would be looking down on the water/harbor:
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.467...ata=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sdRySHXh2ImJg3QO8UzzG6g!2e0

Possibilities that have crossed my mind (totally all my opinion):
I don't think anyone backed a vehicle up and launched a boat, but I do think the dories and traps on the left side of the building could have been available for use.

What are the chances that on a rainy, foggy night someone in one of those condos/townhomes was looking outside at the water? Definitely could happen.

Because it was still fishing/lobstering season what are the chances that if someone looked out and saw a person in a boat they would have thought it strange? Maybe, maybe not. They may have just said, "WTH? What a nut!"

What are the chances that someone looked out, saw a person in a boat, said, "WTH?!" and called the police?

What are the chances the police came, and by the time they got there could not see anyone in the water, so they just left.

If a person stayed to the left of the building (facing the water) they would have been hidden by the fence on the left of them, and the building on the right. They could get to the water, row out under the pier for additional cover until they get to the end, then continue out in darkness.

What are the chances that if someone looked out, saw a boat, said WTH, did NOT call the police, they would remember three months later when remains wash up on the shore that they had seen a boat three months before?

What are the chances this has occurred before, in perhaps the case of Leeanne Redden, and the person/persons thought, they did it before, why not do it again?

Previous discussions have been about how busy a place it is, buses, etc., but Swampscott is a sleepy bedroom community, the bus that runs through there only has morning runs to Boston, and evening runs back from Boston. They run about an hour apart, there are only 3 or so in either direction, and last one into Swampscott is about 7PM. This end of the beach abuts the residential area. It is Kings beach and south from there, onto Lynn Shore Drive (LSD) and south onto the causeway that gets the heavy foot traffic, dog walkers, surf kiters, clammers, and so on.


MOO

While I generally agree with the plausibility of what you've said overall, you're drastically underestimating the traffic and particularly the bus traffic and suh. Here are many more buses per day than you've said. I took them for years.

http://www.mbta.com/schedules_and_m...ction=O&timing=W&RedisplayTime=Redisplay+Time

The 449 adds a handful more each day.

Also people don't clam at kings beach. Plenty of people walking by fisherman's, but perhaps a bit less than kings. Much greater visibility by vehicular traffic overall (but your mention of the left side of he fish house is a good one) at fisherman's than at kings.

 

[boston_baby]

Actually, that's normal splashover at high tide every time there is a full moon, so every 4 weeks. The picture was taken Jan 3, the full moon was Jan 4.

http://m.almanac.com/moon/full/MA/Swampscott

Some splash-UP, yes, but not the same violent splash-over as wih a storm.

 

[FindHG]

"Swampscott, among North Shore coastal communities, is somewhat unique in that our Harbormaster's Department operates seasonally. The Harbormaster and Assistant Harbormasters work from Memorial Day through Labor Day."

http://www.harbormasters.org/crimewatch/swampscott.shtml

So there would have been no one on the immediate property by the pier to see a person or persons going into the water.

Here is the view from the left side of the harbormaster's building/Swampscott yacht club, showing dories and lobster traps stacked next to a solid wood fence:
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.467...ata=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1s0G-qU1u1dErIifveHh1Tnw!2e0

Here is the view from the right side of the same building showing dories stacked up, and a vehicle backed up to launch a boat:
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.467...ata=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sdRySHXh2ImJg3QO8UzzG6g!2e0

Here's the view looking directly across the street at the houses that would be looking down on the water/harbor:
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.467...ata=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sdRySHXh2ImJg3QO8UzzG6g!2e0

Possibilities that have crossed my mind (totally all my opinion):
I don't think anyone backed a vehicle up and launched a boat, but I do think the dories and traps on the left side of the building could have been available for use. I also think a vehicle could have been driven to the spot where the truck is located in the image, so they could have easily been off the street, potentially hidden to some degree behind the stack of boats/Doris on the rack.

What are the chances that on a rainy, foggy night someone in one of those condos/townhomes was looking outside at the water? Definitely could happen.

Because it was still fishing/lobstering season what are the chances that if someone looked out and saw a person in a boat they would have thought it strange? Maybe, maybe not. They may have just said, "WTH? What a nut!"

What are the chances that someone looked out, saw a person in a boat, said, "WTH?!" and called the police?

What are the chances the police came, and by the time they got there could not see anyone in the water, so they just left.

If a person stayed to the left of the building (facing the water) they would have been hidden by the fence on the left of them, and the building on the right. They could get to the water, row out under the pier for additional cover until they get to the end, then continue out in darkness.

What are the chances that if someone looked out, saw a boat, said WTH, did NOT call the police, they would remember three months later when remains wash up on the shore that they had seen a boat three months before?

What are the chances this has occurred before, in perhaps the case of Leeanne Redden, and the person/persons thought, they did it before, why not do it again?

Previous discussions have been about how busy a place it is, buses, etc., but Swampscott is a sleepy bedroom community, the bus that runs through there only has morning runs to Boston, and evening runs back from Boston. They run about an hour apart, there are only 3 or so in either direction, and last one into Swampscott is about 7PM. This end of the beach abuts the residential area. It is Kings beach and south from there, onto Lynn Shore Drive (LSD) and south onto the causeway that gets the heavy foot traffic, dog walkers, surf kiters, clammers, and so on.


MOO

Thank you very much for all this information. This spot stood out, northeast, past the pier.

 

[Steleheart]

So here I am just a few miles north of there - we have had 6 feet of snow in like 17 days. We are expecting another 12- 20 inches this weekend. Our Governor has called out the National Guard to help catch up. They have people and equipment so they absolutely can get the job done.

So this is what we got:

(wicked pissa)

(canisaythat?lolsry)

http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2015/feb/11/army-soldiers-singing-here-comes-the-sun/

I feel like I am in good hands. :laughing:

 

[HCOM]

Another thought that has crossed my mind, although I'm not sure how likely this scenario could be....

The site where she was found is at a sewage discharge grate that is tall enough for a person to stand in. There is an iron grating system, like prison bars, across the front of it to prevent people from going up into the piping system. If you look at some aerial views at low tide you can see the water drainage/washout lines exiting that one spot leading out to the ocean. The pipe drain lines that exit into that washout basin start a few miles up, and include Paradise Road. I have not been able to check yet to see if the drains at Fosters Pond empty into that piping system.

If she went into the water at Fosters pond (which is one place LE divers searched) could it be possible that instead of washing up from the sea, she actually washed out, being pulled out by the receding tidal surge? The larger bones were located right at the grate area, and may have been too heavy to pull out beyond that area? Or too large to make it through the grates? And then, as someone suggested earlier, the lobster traps just happened to wash up to the same spot? The whole "next to" vs. "entangled in" vs. "inside" uncertainty comes to play here.

 

[HCOM]

Thank you very much for all this information. This spot stood out, northeast, past the pier.

That is a very good spot, indeed. The homes are very close, but if the majority of them are summer homes (as is often the case for those large homes right on the shore), then there would be no one around to see any activity. I wonder how old the Google images are, and if that one lone dory sitting there like easy pickin's for the taking is still there?

 

[Xara]

So here I am just a few miles north of there - we have had 6 feet of snow in like 17 days. We are expecting another 12- 20 inches this weekend. Our Governor has called out the National Guard to help catch up. They have people and equipment so they absolutely can get the job done.

So this is what we got:

(wicked pissa)

(canisaythat?lolsry)

http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2015/feb/11/army-soldiers-singing-here-comes-the-sun/

I feel like I am in good hands. :laughing:

OT:
I feel your pain. I'm in eastern Massachusetts, right on the NH border. Not looking forward to this weekend. And its 10 degrees right now to boot.

As Tom Petty would say: Let me up, I've had enough!