MA MA - Karina Holmer, 20, Boston, 21 June 1996

The fact that Rapp called the morgue on Sunday- presumably at least 12 hours before Karina was due back in Dover. If true, that's a big, big deal. Of all the women it could have been- and with no information to suggest Karina is out of place, he's calling to see if the body belongs to her?....


Men associated with Karina:

-Mr Rapp- employer and never any more than speculation about anything sexual.

-Mystery Boston Police Officer- Met Karina at Zanzibar, confirmed to have dated her briefly.

Anyone else?

In one of the articles that I've collected, Rapp claimed that one of Karina's friends called their family and told them that nobody had seen Karina since Friday and this occurred soon after it was reported that a severed torso was discovered in the dumpster. If true, his concern wasn't completely unfounded.

There were at least two other men that Karina dated.

1. a south Boston resident who was questioned by the police

2. somebody who lived a few minutes from the dump site, but was never questioned by police according to another Websleuth who was friends with this person (post #25 written by Insatiable --I don't know how to link individual posts, sorry).
 
I found the mention about the phone call alerting the Rapp family that Karina was missing. It was in an article that I already posted.

PROBE WIDENS IN AU PAIR'S SLAYING

"After a friend called Sunday to report that Holmer was missing, Rapp went to his studio to see if she had been staying there and found her things, Nichter said. He then called police."
 
Psychologists say killing doesn't fit sadist pattern

MacQuarrie, Brian . Boston Globe 27 June 1996: 23.

Karina Holmer's killer was a monster, but he may have been a monster for only a few, frenzied hours of murderous rage.
The Swedish au pair's severed upper body had not been mutilated further, police sources say, which tells forensic psychologists interviewed yesterday that her killer does not fit the mold of a serial killer or sexual sadist.

Rather, the unmarked condition of the body and its unorthodox disposal in a Fenway dumpster would indicate to these specialists that Holmer's assailant may have been a first-time killer.
But first time or not, the psychologists say, the horrific nature of the crime shows that the murderer may have a severe mental illness and probably harbors a longstanding, explosive resentment of women. Their unnerving concern: If he did it once, he could do it again.

"This could be one-time, but it's unlikely that it's your typical murder committed by somebody with motives that the rest of us could understand. This person is either profoundly emotionally disturbed or a sociopath," said Craig Latham, a forensic psychologist from Wellesley.
The psychologists emphasized that their conjectures are based on limited public knowledge of the evidence, and that Holmer may have been the latest in a string of victims who include still-missing women.

But what is known about the case supports their view that this is a strikingly rare crime both in its nature and its puzzling aftermath.
Fewer than 5 percent of murder victims are mutilated, said James Alan Fox, dean of the College of Criminal Justice at Northeastern University. And many murderers who show some deliberation in their crime dispose of their victims' bodies in remote locations.

Although any murder is tragic, Holmer's mutilation is what makes this crime so morbidly riveting, observers said. "This person didn't feel any kind of boundaries about violating the body, particularly in such a ruthless, savage way. This suggests it just wasn't somebody faced with a problem of disposing of the body," Latham said.
Holmer's upper body was discovered in the dumpster Sunday, about 36 hours after she was last seen leaving Zanzibar, a downtown nightclub. Investigators say that Holmer, 20, was strangled first, and that a saw may have been used to sever her body afterward.

"These kinds of offenses are, gratefully, rare. But because they are so stark, so violent, they take hold of our
imagination and our worst fears," said Theoharis Seghorn, a founding partner of New England Forensic Associates.

Seghorn said that such brutality is possible even in seemingly normal human beings who resort to lethal actions in desperate situations.
"In this case, you're talking about somebody who had to cut through flesh and bone," Seghorn said. "People are capable of all sorts of bizarre acts when they are in this sort of state. In a disassociated state, anything is possible."

Vernon Gebreth, a New York homicide and forensic consultant, said that most severed bodies are found in congested, urban areas where a killer needs to decrease his risk of being noticed when disposing of the corpse. Fox said, "This killer tends to be fairly cunning, careful, clever. He obviously did not panic in the wake of the crime. We're not talking about a bizarre maniac."
"Either it's someone who had some relation with her . . . or we're talking about a stranger who has a great deal of control over his behavior, who could very well have a good job and neighbors and friends, but for whom rape and murder is done for the pleasure."
For previous Globe stories on this case and other crimes from the past week, go to the Globe Online's Crime Beat at Local Boston breaking news, sports, weather and events | Boston.com. The keyword to use is: crime.
 
Interesting that Zewizz says that her head, arms, and legs were missing. Also that they 'concluded' that her employer was the killer.
 
In one of the articles that I've collected, Rapp claimed that one of Karina's friends called their family and told them that nobody had seen Karina since Friday and this occurred soon after it was reported that a severed torso was discovered in the dumpster. If true, his concern wasn't completely unfounded.

There were at least two other men that Karina dated.

1. a south Boston resident who was questioned by the police

2. somebody who lived a few minutes from the dump site, but was never questioned by police according to another Websleuth who was friends with this person (post #25 written by Insatiable --I don't know how to link individual posts, sorry).
1 & 2 are same man. He was never questioned by police.
 
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1 & 2 are same man. He was never questioned by police.

Thanks for clearing that up, and welcome back to the thread, Insatiable.

Also, thank you for the timeline that you posted.

I wish we knew precisely when her friend tried to coax her out of the grey Mitsubishi in relation to when she was seen petting Herb Witten's dog. The eyewitness accounts seem to contradict each other. It doesn't help that everyone there was completely wasted and likely confused about what they really saw.

Regarding the the grey Mitsubishi, there are a few possibilities.
1. the car occupant(s) are Karina's killer(s)
2. the woman in the car was somebody else but her friend was too drunk to know better
3. her friend is the killer and wanted to lead police in the wrong direction
 
When reading articles from 1996 I only came across one that mentioned the grey car. It’s odd to me that there wasn’t more info put out about the description of the men and car if a friend she was there with says that’s who he last saw her with. Did LE not think the friend was credible for some reason? Drunk maybe? Why no sketches of these guys?
 
Although I cannot directly link each video or even the search results, there are 3 news videos from the 1990s on the Karina Holmer case.

Go to footage.net and enter "Karina Holmer" in the search bar.

The video titled "Murdered Nanny Investigation 6/27/1996" provides some more witness details about Karina getting into the grey Mitsubishi. There is also outdoor footage of Zanzibar circa 1996, the police search of the Boylston dumpster, and Frank Rapp carrying his young daughter.

The grey-car lead should have been pursued vigorously, IMO. It's implied that all three of the people Karina went clubbing with were present when her friend tried to coax her out of the car making the possibility of mistaken identity much lower. It also increases the potential for partial license plate numbers or suspect sketches. I wonder why the police never addressed the grey Mitsubishi or asked for the public's help in identifying the occupants.
 
Although I cannot directly link each video or even the search results, there are 3 news videos from the 1990s on the Karina Holmer case.

Go to footage.net and enter "Karina Holmer" in the search bar.

The video titled "Murdered Nanny Investigation 6/27/1996" provides some more witness details about Karina getting into the grey Mitsubishi. There is also outdoor footage of Zanzibar circa 1996, the police search of the Boylston dumpster, and Frank Rapp carrying his young daughter.

The grey-car lead should have been pursued vigorously, IMO. It's implied that all three of the people Karina went clubbing with were present when her friend tried to coax her out of the car making the possibility of mistaken identity much lower. It also increases the potential for partial license plate numbers or suspect sketches. I wonder why the police never addressed the grey Mitsubishi or asked for the public's help in identifying the occupants.

Hey - haven't been logged on in a while- thanks for clarifying re: when Rapp was notified by Karina's friend and for expanding the discussion on the men Karina dated. Also, I 'd never heard of footage.net until now, so thanks again!! In addition to raising questions as to how vigorously the Mitsubishi angle was pursued in light of its likely credibility, the videos reminded me of Boston when I was growing up.

Granted, it wasn't the stone ages, but it was long enough ago for the city to be different. A little bit of a rougher Boston edge was tolerated in higher up police officials than would be today. For example, "there's no maniac running around the city ripping people off the streets." While technically correct, he made it sound somewhat like there was absolutely no "stranger danger" and that the likelihood of others being vulnerable to a fate like Karina's was next to impossible. While we all know that it's not a likely fate for anyone, it does happen and there are people out there who appear perfectly normal and non threatening on the surface. People who you meet in whatever situation in life and maybe want to get to know further- that wind up doing horrible things once they get their opportunity.

To be clear, I'm not criticizing the spokesman, just commenting on how different things are less than 25 years later. Just this past weekend, a young woman walked off from a bar downtown and was led away by a male and there were all kinds of warnings from police about friends staying together, excessive alcohol consumption, the need to report suspicious activity, etc.

Also, the footage had some pictures of Karina I hadn't seen before- different angles and facial expressions. Two things stood out. First, they gave me a bit more of a sense of her personality. They seemed to support the descriptions friends and family gave of a very sweet, trusting person. Second, she really was strikingly beautiful. Some of the most circulated pictures out there don't seem to do her justice on that front.
 
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Although I cannot directly link each video or even the search results, there are 3 news videos from the 1990s on the Karina Holmer case.

Go to footage.net and enter "Karina Holmer" in the search bar.

The video titled "Murdered Nanny Investigation 6/27/1996" provides some more witness details about Karina getting into the grey Mitsubishi. There is also outdoor footage of Zanzibar circa 1996, the police search of the Boylston dumpster, and Frank Rapp carrying his young daughter.

The grey-car lead should have been pursued vigorously, IMO. It's implied that all three of the people Karina went clubbing with were present when her friend tried to coax her out of the car making the possibility of mistaken identity much lower. It also increases the potential for partial license plate numbers or suspect sketches. I wonder why the police never addressed the grey Mitsubishi or asked for the public's help in identifying the occupants.
Thanks for the info!
Footage.net Search Results
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"Video Description
PHOTO OF VICTIM, EXT OF BAR, GFX, SOT OF POLICE OFFICER, BODY COVERED ON STRETCHER BEING WHEELED AWAY BY PEOPLE.
Script
LEAD: FOR THE FIRST TIME, WE HAVE SOME INSIGHT TONIGHT INTO THE FINAL HOURS BEFORE THE GRUSOME MURDER OF SWEDISH NANNY KARINA HOLMER. HOLMER WAS KILLED SOME TIME AFTER LEAVING A BOSTON NIGHT CLUB EARLY SATURDAY MORNING."
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"Video Description
PHOTOS OF VICTIM, SOT OF LT. ,SOT OF MAN, BODY BEING ROLLED ON STRETCHER, EXT OF BAR, SOT OF MAN, DUMPSITE BEING INVESTIGATED, FILE OF NANNY'S BOSS, PHOTOS OF VICTIM, SOT OF MAN,
Script
LEAD: WITHIN THE LAST FEW MINUTESBOSTON POLICE HAVE ISSUED A DESCRIPTION OF WHAT SWEDISH NANNY KARINA HOLMER WORE WHEN SHE WAS LAST SEEN ALIVE."
3-
Video Description
Officers looking in dumpster, shots of investigators on scene, body being taken away, investigators on scene, dumpster, investigators looking in dumpster, ext. of building, photos of woman, man looking at photo, clock, dumpster, investigators looking in dumpster, sot.
Description
Even though both victims had been cut in half, police in Boston say there is "no apparent connection" between the slaying of a prostitute in Hollywood, Fla., and a Swedish nanny in Boston.Boston Police say the only similarity is the gruesome nature of the crimes in that both bodies had been severed.Officials say that after talking with detectives in Florida, they are confident the two slayings are not the work of the same person.Nanny Karina Holmer's upper torso was found in a dumpster in Boston in 1996. The rest of her body was never found.The woman killed in Florida was also cut in two and placed in a dumpster. Police say she was well known to them as a prostitute.
Script
LEAD: THREE YEARS AFTER THE UNSOLVED, GRISLY MURDER OF SWEDISH AU PAIR KARINA HOLMER IN BOSTON... A SUSPICIOSLY SIMILAR MURDER HAS HAPPENED IN FLORIDA.NOW POLICE IN TWO STATES ARE LOOKING FOR CONNECTIONS BETWEEN THE TWO MURDERS, THOUGH BOSTON POLICE SAY SO FAR THEY'VE BEEN UNABLE TO ESTABLISH A CONNECTION.NORTHEAS"
 
.Delia Lorna Mendez referenced in this thread..
Possible connection between the GB4 and other murders

MUTILATED BODY FOUND IN DUMPSTER
May 17 1999 by JONATHON KING
"Hollywood police on Sunday began the grisly task of trying to identify the body of a woman who was cut in half and left in a Dumpster in the Pet Supermarket parking lot on Federal Highway.

The body was discovered by a store worker when he opened the container to empty the morning trash.

The victim was described as a white woman between the age of 20 and 40 who was 5 feet 6 inches tall with brown eyes and dark hair. She was wearing a tube top and had a Caesarean scar across her abdomen, Hollywood Police Sgt. Roni Mangan said."

Investigators would not speculate on when the body was put in the container, but Hollywood Lt. Chad Wagner said the Dumpster had last been emptied at 4 p.m. Saturday, and the employee made the discovery about noon Sunday.

"At approximately 12:08 p.m., the employee came out and noticed that the Dumpster wasn't locked like it is supposed to be, and he was bothered by that. But when he opened the top, he was suspicious of the smell, and when he looked inside, he could see the victim's legs and lower body," Wagner said."
 
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. For example, "there's no maniac running around the city ripping people off the streets." While technically correct, he made it sound somewhat like there was absolutely no "stranger danger" and that the likelihood of others being vulnerable to a fate like Karina's was next to impossible.
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I totally agree. When I listened to the spokesman, I thought "wtf!" Somebody strangled a woman, cut her in half, and literally tossed her in the trash, but the public shouldn't be worried about it because, hey, the victim and killer might have struck up a conversation prior to the murder. It's absurd.

Perhaps if he had focused on the danger of going home with or getting into the vehicles of new acquaintances, it would have sounded more reasonable. But... there is/was a maniac on the streets of Boston.
 
Planning going to Boston again and Karina is on my mind, as she often is. I wish someone would go through the case again and look at it with new eyes (and new techniques). I so need this killer to be found. She was a young woman wanting to see the world and she was taken away by someone who has been walking around free for too many years. I wonder if the police have more evidence than the partial fingerprint. Here in Sweden a 20-year something rape was just solved with dna. The perp was found after they got a match with a relative. I hope the police found something on her or in the bag so the person who did this will get caught.
 
I have been off this thread for sometime but was a 22 year old female living in Kenmore (literally blocks away) when this happened. As a girl much like Karina doing the club scene, including Zanzibar (though not that night) I frequently walked home the same route she had taken in lieu of a cab... especially if I had to much to drink. I can't speak for her friends but I can think of instances where myself and friends were offered rides home and had been talked out of getting into cars because the driver was drunk or just an acquaintance and there was someone with better judgement that said walking was a better option.

I don't remember police making a big deal about the car which makes me think the driver was quickly ruled out IMO. There was a lot of focus around her route home and residents in the area which frankly scared me more.

I did not go back and watch the videos but this was not a disorganized person having a break. A disorganized killer leaves evidence. This person was brutal and sophisticated. He was quick. This took place in a matter of hours and he left no trail. He (assuming) was no disorganized psychopath whatsoever and is very intelligent. Again IMO but I have so much to say on this and refraining at the moment.
 
The daughter was 3 at the time...who knows what she knows or remembers. Never spoke a word of it growing up, but still living in the same small town where it happened and everyone gossips, would you? It fascinates me just because I grew up in Dover, I can’t imagine having that kind of connection and not wanting to know more, but maybe you’d be too afraid to ask those questions.
 
I have been off this thread for sometime but was a 22 year old female living in Kenmore (literally blocks away) when this happened. As a girl much like Karina doing the club scene, including Zanzibar (though not that night) I frequently walked home the same route she had taken in lieu of a cab... especially if I had to much to drink. I can't speak for her friends but I can think of instances where myself and friends were offered rides home and had been talked out of getting into cars because the driver was drunk or just an acquaintance and there was someone with better judgement that said walking was a better option.

I don't remember police making a big deal about the car which makes me think the driver was quickly ruled out IMO. There was a lot of focus around her route home and residents in the area which frankly scared me more.

I did not go back and watch the videos but this was not a disorganized person having a break. A disorganized killer leaves evidence. This person was brutal and sophisticated. He was quick. This took place in a matter of hours and he left no trail. He (assuming) was no disorganized psychopath whatsoever and is very intelligent. Again IMO but I have so much to say on this and refraining at the moment.
I strongly agree with you on that car, the Mitsubishi. Did the Police quickly rule out these two gentlemen for some particular reason? If so, why? Who were they? I recall hearing the news reporter say that one of Karina's friends had approached them in the car asking her to get out, but then he was quickly threatened by the passenger in the car which scared him so much he backed off! If I recall correctly these men were older between 28 to 35 years old. As I understand it this club was frequented by Karina and that police officer she dated worked security there in his free time right? Is it possible that he and his friend were the same two police officers that Karina and her friend had spent the night with just a week before her murder?
 
Anything is possible...I don't remember anything about her staying the night the weekend before. I am trying to remember who did security there back then because I was pretty familiar with security at most of the bars. Most likely it was NOT an off duty police officer and more likely an older college Age student or friend/associate of the bar owner who worked the door (most places worked that way). Rules as to who could get bars in general (fake IDs, being too drunk, VIP entry, not paying cover, etc.) were not as enforced as they are now (that's why I say it's doubtful any police officer was working the door off duty)... plenty of LE however frequented the bar along with several others in the area. Though I don't remember that one being a "cop bar" per se...it catered to all sorts.

I don't know if it was ever disclosed why the car was ruled out. Possibly it was tied to LE? That could explain a lot if off duty was driving leaving bar and one of the last to be seen with KH.

Where did you find this information on off duty because I would be interested in seeing it.

Thx
 

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