Malaysia airlines plane may have crashed 239 people on board #23

[SouthAussie]

The company said its analysis was done by a team of its scientists in Europe. But GeoResonance declined to name the scientists or the country they worked in and declined to give a reason.

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/05/01/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-plane/

 

[squeaky]

@STForeignDesk - 4:06 AM - 1 May 2014 - JUST IN: Malaysia Airlines says it will close all Family Assistance Centres around the world by May 7 #MH370

‏@vplus - 4:03 AM - 1 May 2014 - Malaysian Airlines closing the "Family Assistance Centres" for the missings' families on May 7th. #MH370

 

[Fluffy Puppy]

At this point, we don't know where it is, so I will take any lead.

But, with that being said, I don't think Australia would waste resources if it isnt in S Indian ocean. Unless they were being led down the rose garden path.

I agree - I think searching in the S Indian Ocean is because of the best available information they have - which has resulted in an educated estimate. I think if they had better, educated estimates, they would look there, too. I really don't think it i any more complicated than that

 

[CARIIS]

This release will say totally nothing that all of us here have not shared or discussed - not one thing!

 

[squeaky]

Following is the statement by Ahmad Jauhari Yahya, Group Chief Executive Officer, Malaysia Airlines on Flight MH370.

http://www.nst.com.my/latest/font-color-red-mh370-tragedy-font-mas-ceo-s-statement-1.584465

 

[squeaky]

@H2OComms - 4:31 AM - 1 May 2014 - DS @HishammuddinH2O has approved the release of the #MH370 Preliminary Report, delayed release due to tech problems. Apologise for the delay

@H2OComms - 4:32 AM - 1 May 2014 - Please be informed that the #MH370 Prelim Report has been sent to NOKs, will be released to the press in 30 mins -@HishammuddinH2O

 

[Fluffy Puppy]

Ok, maybe i'm not understanding. Immarsat went by the last ping at 8:11am (what time zone?) ! wouldn't they take into account the speed and altitude to determine it's final resting place? The weight should be accurate, unless MAS did not provide accurate weight. :facepalm:

I'd like to find documentation on how they came to this conclusion.

There is a lot of information online, and I find this article from the WSJ online quite informative about how they calculated the location and the arcs.

Since there is no specific data about speed and altitude, they estimated the flight path (including speed and altitude) from the pings themselves.

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304017604579443603302188102

From the article:
Because the angle and distance of the aircraft relative to the orbiting satellite changed as the jet flew over the Earth's surface, each ping to Flight 370 gave Malaysian officials, the National Transportation Safety Board, the Federal Aviation Administration and the U.K.'s Air Accidents Investigation Branch enough information to plot the 777's speed, altitude and changing path.

I think if they had speed and altitude of course this would all be a lot easier for everyone. As it is, they are forced to rely on the best available estimate they have at the moment. I think it is pretty amazing they were able to come up with an educated estimate at all - therefore I am not so critical of the attempt.

Of course, it could be wrong, but my point is that it is not an uneducated guess. As they are saying, it is the best available estimate they have at the moment. I am confident they would move if a better estimate was available.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Malaysia to release first report on MH 370; company defends wreckage claim

By Holly Yan and Tom Watkins, CNN

updated 7:21 AM EDT, Thu May 1, 2014date, posted at 7:21 a.m. ET]

Malaysia Airlines says its family support centers at Lido Hotel in Beijing and "around the world" will be closed by May 7.

The Lido center will close Friday, an airline official told families there.

Instead of staying in hotels to hear daily briefings, the relatives of MH370 passengers are invited to receive updates "within the comfort of their own homes," the airline said...

http://www.cnn.com/2014/05/01/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-plane/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

 

[marlywings]

Search for MH370: Malaysia Airlines tells families to go home

May 1, 2014 - 9:40PM

Malaysia Airlines is telling relatives of passengers on Flight 370 they should move out of hotels and return home to wait for news on the search for the plane.

It said it would soon make advanced compensation payments to relatives

http://www.smh.com.au/world/search-...-to-go-home-20140501-zr2vn.html#ixzz30SuBpgcS

 

[squeaky]

H2O Comms ‏@H2OComms - 5:13 AM - 1 May 2014 - #MH370 Preliminary Report - http://on.fb.me/1o6fvBa - @HishammuddinH2O

 

[squeaky]

Finally, proof that there were lithium batteries on the cargo manifest

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BmjIiBaCAAAkZlH.jpg

 

[squeaky]

@H2OComms - 5:23 AM - 1 May 2014 - Maps showing #MH370's Flight Path - http://on.fb.me/PTuRwI - @HishammuddinH2O

 

[Intermezzo]

This is a pilot's rumor blog where they are discussing the found container. Someone posted a diagram of a cargo fire extinguisher in their post. They aren't posting rumors but trying to dispel them.

http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/535538-malaysian-airlines-mh370-contact-lost-418.html

I was reading that site last night.
Good Forum
They have some theories I had not heard before but I did not post on this site, not sure if it was allowed.
Many posters believe that the GeoResonance claim is rubbish

 

[Intermezzo]

Yet another claim to have found wreckage.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...000-miles-search-zone-spotting-debris-painted

One problem I have with the oil rig claim is that a plane on fire that crashed into the ocean would not keep sending a satellite handshake for another 6 to 8 hours.

:twocents:

 

[CARIIS]

Found link to entire release - I am looking aroudn now and will post whe I find it but if any of you have it PLS! post TIA

 

[CARIIS]

Cnn: 450 pounds of batteries Not true - there were 2.5 tons of lithium batteries!!

There is no way they did not know that from the moment the plane pushed back -not being aware of 2.5 tons of anything on any aircraft at any time results in a crash - they must know what and where - center of gravity issues vital or if wrong fatal.

Sounds like they might have confused the weight of some fruit wiht a classification 9 (most dangeroues) item.................US wont even let them on our passenger planes

The dreamliner (Boeings new baby) has had many fire related problems related to lithium batteries

[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_787_Dreamliner_battery_problems"]Boeing 787 Dreamliner battery problems - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

Lithium ion and lithium metal cells and batteries are listed as Class 9 Miscellaneous hazardous materials in the U.S. and international hazardous materials ...

http://www.dgiglobal.com/classes

[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Center_of_gravity_of_an_aircraft"]Center of gravity of an aircraft - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

 

[marlywings]

May 1, 2014 - 11:15PM

Kuala Lumpur: Malaysia has made public a preliminary report on flight MH370 and other data that marks its most extensive release of information on the missing airliner to date.

The five-page report, which was submitted earlier to the International Civil Aviation Organisation (ICAO), was essentially a recap of information that has already been released, and did not immediately appear to contain any major revelations.

Malaysian authorities have also released includes:
•The audio recordings of conversations between the cockpit of MH370 and Kuala Lumpur air traffic control.
•The preliminary report into MH370, dated 9 April.
•An additional document, which gives further information regarding the actions taken between the hours of 01:38 and 06:14 on Saturday 8 March.
•A map showing MH370’s flight path.
•The cargo manifest for MH370.
•The seating plan for MH370.

http://www.smh.com.au/world/mh370-m...to-activate-20140501-zr2wk.html#ixzz30TDGi0EI

 

[Intermezzo]

Finally, proof that there were lithium batteries on the cargo manifest

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BmjIiBaCAAAkZlH.jpg

It lists Number of ION LITHIUM BATTERY Pieces as

137 Packages and Chargeable weight: 1990
and
67 Loose Packages Chargeable weight 463



The WayBill aslo states that the Ion Lithium Batteries are in compliance with Section 11 of P.1. 965

 

[LambChop]

I was reading that site last night.
Good Forum
They have some theories I had not heard before but I did not post on this site, not sure if it was allowed.
Many posters believe that the GeoResonance claim is rubbish

The theories can go on the "What do you think happened to Flight370" thread. That way if something turns up later it will be easier to find. Little harder when there are 23 threads to go through.

 

[Intermezzo]

H2O Comms ‏@H2OComms - 5:13 AM - 1 May 2014 - #MH370 Preliminary Report - http://on.fb.me/1o6fvBa - @HishammuddinH2O

Nothing we haven't read already

We know that airlines are not currently required to to install Real Time Tracking on aircrafts..and they recommend that the International Civil Aviation Organization examine the benefits of real time tracking of commercial airplanes.

If anything comes about from this tragedy I believe it will be the mandatory installation of Real Time Tracking of an aircraft