GUILTY MI - 4 students killed, 6 injured, Oxford High School shooting, 30 Nov 2021 *Arrest incl parents* *teen guilty* #6

[DFWNF]

Yes, I could not believe how cold and unfeeling she was at her trial. Her own son is spending LWOP, but she wouldn't change a thing!?

She should have gotten LWOP too imo. I am not undecided about dad.

 

[Misy]

I’m sure this was already discussed, so apologize for asking…. But I just found out James crumbley made threatening calls from jail and his communications were then restricted to his lawyer and clergy only. Does anyone know what kind of threats and to whom? He always seemed to me to be pretty meek (?) so I’m so curious about this.
WOW just wow.
TIA

 

[IAMWAN]

I’m sure this was already discussed, so apologize for asking…. But I just found out James crumbley made threatening calls from jail and his communications were then restricted to his lawyer and clergy only. Does anyone know what kind of threats and to whom? He always seemed to me to be pretty meek (?) so I’m so curious about this.
WOW just wow.
TIA

There have been no details released about the calls or emails that resulted in the restrictions.

 

[Weki]

Still no verdict! Wow. Jennifer’s jury deliberated 10 hours and some change. I’m getting worried.

 

[Izzylizzy]

Still no verdict! Wow. Jennifer’s jury deliberated 10 hours and some change. I’m getting worried.

'What’s the Longest Jury Deliberation in History?'​

'Official statistics aren’t kept on jury deliberations, but in 2003, a jury in Oakland, California deliberated 55 days before acquitting three police officers accused of assaulting and falsely arresting residents. In Tarrant County, Texas, one of the longest jury deliberations in memory occurred in 2006 when a jury deliberated six days before convicting Rev. Terry Hornbuckle of sexually assaulting three women.

Predicting Verdicts Based on Length of Jury Deliberations​

Some believe short deliberations mean jurors have found the defendant guilty, while longer deliberations mean they are leaning towards acquittal. Despite these theories, trying to predict the length of jury deliberations is generally a futile effort. Consider this:

• A Minnesota jury deliberated a little over 10 hours before convicting Derek Chauvin of second-degree murder, third-degree murder and manslaughter in the death of George Floyd.
• It took a federal jury four days find Paul Manafort guilty of eight counts of financial crimes on an 18-count indictment.
• It took a Texas jury 2 ½ hours to find Eddie Ray Routh guilty of capital murder for the deaths of American Sniper Chris Kyle and his friend Chad Littlefield.
• After 35 hours of deliberation over nine days, a California jury acquitted actor Robert Blake of killing his wife, Bonny Lee Bakley.
• A California jury deliberated nine hours before convicting doctor Conrad Murray of unintentional manslaughter in the death of pop star legend, Michael Jackson.
• A Florida jury deliberated 16 ½ hours before acquitting George Zimmerman in the death of Trayvon Martin.
• A California jury deliberated less than four hours before acquitting O.J. Simpson of murder in the deaths of his wife, Nicole, and her friend, Ronald Goldman.
• A Florida jury deliberated less than 11 hours before acquitting Casey Anthony of killing her 2-year-old daughter, Caylee.
• A Pennsylvania jury deliberated more than 20 hours over two days before convicting Jerry Sandusky of sexually assaulting 10 boys.
• It took a California jury seven days to convict Scott Peterson of murder in the death of his wife, Laci, and their unborn son.
• A Texas jury deliberated eight days before acquitting Dallas County Commissioner John Wiley Price of bribery and mail fraud.

It is safe to assume that jury deliberations may take longer in complicated cases with multiple defendants, counts or charges, which will require longer jury instructions. Still, there is no “average” jury deliberation and the time-frame is anyone’s guess.'

'The Allen Charge aka the Dynamite Charge'​

cont:

Can you predict a verdict based on length of jury deliberations? [2022]

Is the length of jury deliberations an accurate predictor of verdicts in criminal trials? Learn more about the length of deliberations and hung juries.

versustexas.com

 

[IAMWAN]

Jury deliberating James Crumbley's fate asks question, but it's kept secret

After nine hours of deliberation, jurors went back to work after a question was answered in private.

www.freep.com

After seven hours in the deliberation room, the jury deciding James Crumbley's fate had a question Thursday afternoon — though it was answered in private.

Then the jury went back to work.

 

[BrownRice]

She should have gotten LWOP too imo. I am not undecided about dad.

Do we know her sentence yet?

 

[BrownRice]

'What’s the Longest Jury Deliberation in History?'​

'Official statistics aren’t kept on jury deliberations, but in 2003, a jury in Oakland, California deliberated 55 days before acquitting three police officers accused of assaulting and falsely arresting residents. In Tarrant County, Texas, one of the longest jury deliberations in memory occurred in 2006 when a jury deliberated six days before convicting Rev. Terry Hornbuckle of sexually assaulting three women.

Predicting Verdicts Based on Length of Jury Deliberations​

Some believe short deliberations mean jurors have found the defendant guilty, while longer deliberations mean they are leaning towards acquittal. Despite these theories, trying to predict the length of jury deliberations is generally a futile effort. Consider this:

• A Minnesota jury deliberated a little over 10 hours before convicting Derek Chauvin of second-degree murder, third-degree murder and manslaughter in the death of George Floyd.
• It took a federal jury four days find Paul Manafort guilty of eight counts of financial crimes on an 18-count indictment.
• It took a Texas jury 2 ½ hours to find Eddie Ray Routh guilty of capital murder for the deaths of American Sniper Chris Kyle and his friend Chad Littlefield.
• After 35 hours of deliberation over nine days, a California jury acquitted actor Robert Blake of killing his wife, Bonny Lee Bakley.
• A California jury deliberated nine hours before convicting doctor Conrad Murray of unintentional manslaughter in the death of pop star legend, Michael Jackson.
• A Florida jury deliberated 16 ½ hours before acquitting George Zimmerman in the death of Trayvon Martin.
• A California jury deliberated less than four hours before acquitting O.J. Simpson of murder in the deaths of his wife, Nicole, and her friend, Ronald Goldman.
• A Florida jury deliberated less than 11 hours before acquitting Casey Anthony of killing her 2-year-old daughter, Caylee.
• A Pennsylvania jury deliberated more than 20 hours over two days before convicting Jerry Sandusky of sexually assaulting 10 boys.
• It took a California jury seven days to convict Scott Peterson of murder in the death of his wife, Laci, and their unborn son.
• A Texas jury deliberated eight days before acquitting Dallas County Commissioner John Wiley Price of bribery and mail fraud.

It is safe to assume that jury deliberations may take longer in complicated cases with multiple defendants, counts or charges, which will require longer jury instructions. Still, there is no “average” jury deliberation and the time-frame is anyone’s guess.'

'The Allen Charge aka the Dynamite Charge'​

cont:

Can you predict a verdict based on length of jury deliberations? [2022]

Is the length of jury deliberations an accurate predictor of verdicts in criminal trials? Learn more about the length of deliberations and hung juries.

versustexas.com

You can’t forget Alex Murdaugh. 3 hours it took the jury!

 

[IAMWAN]

Do we know her sentence yet?

No. Sentencing is next month.

 

[TTF14]

Does this jury know that Jennifer was found guilty?

 

[IAMWAN]

Does this jury know that Jennifer was found guilty?

There’s no way to really know beyond what was reported about the jury questions. Some said they knew basic details about the cases, some said they knew almost nothing. I can’t imagine anyone not having ANY idea of what has happened in the previous cases since they are covered so heavily locally. (Edited by me)

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

As of the 6:00 news on WDIV, the jury was still deliberating. They told the Judge that they wanted to continue past the usual 4:30 court dismissal. No update so far, so I don't know whether or not the jury is still deliberating or if they've gone home for the day.

 

[Izzylizzy]

Does this jury know that Jennifer was found guilty?

Good question and did the prosecutor/defense ask the potential jurors exactly that?
I didn't read that they had in the few articles I read on the questions asked.


I think Karen McDonald did mention in her closing that JC was found guilty?
Anyone?

 

[BrownRice]

I’m sure this was already discussed, so apologize for asking…. But I just found out James crumbley made threatening calls from jail and his communications were then restricted to his lawyer and clergy only. Does anyone know what kind of threats and to whom? He always seemed to me to be pretty meek (?) so I’m so curious about this.
WOW just wow.
TIA

Im dying to know! It’s bizarre.

 

[samsmom]

Verdict

 

[passionflower]

Verdict is coming in on court tv….. waiting

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Breaking News: WXYZ, Channel 7 Detroit (ABC affiliate) has a 7:00PM newscast. On site reporter says that a VERDECT HAS BEEN REACHED in the case. Family members gathering in the courtroom. Verdict to be delivered shortly.

 

[ilovewings]

Breaking News: WXYZ, Channel 7 Detroit (ABC affiliate) has a 7:00PM newscast. On site reporter says that a VERDECT HAS BEEN REACHED in the case. Family members gathering in the courtroom. Verdict to be delivered shortly.

Watching right now!

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

GUILTY!!!! On all four counts of involuntary manslaughter.

 

[ilovewings]

Guilty involuntary manslaughter on 4 counts!!!!