Found Deceased MO - Toni Anderson, 20, North Kansas City, 15 Jan 2017 #2

[EllieBee]

The initial white washing is what caused me to entertain the possibility that "someone" does not want the seamier deets known to the public.

Because maybe it would compromise an ongoing investigation?

Think Christina Morris...

 

[Vail]

While you all have KC MO on your minds, I'd like to invite you to take a look at this case and see if you can help with the weekly searches, flushing out leads or thinking of where to search. http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...ica-Runions-21-Kansas-City-8-September-2016-2

 

[lmadler]

I found this re: police training for handling CI. It looks like KC hosted a training event last year possibly. And ironically there's a news story about a CI being robbed in the parking lot of the Shady Lady a few years back. Anyhow, just some info and CI's are very much a thing, especially in cities like KC I'd imagine.

http://www.pletraining.com/narcotic-training-solutions/cultivating-confidential-informants/

Also, there's a few different and outdated timelines out there in MSM which explains my previous confusion. WS peeps' timelines are much better, as per usual.

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Makes a very strong pull for that theory for sure. Would explain almost everything but...where is she?

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[misslu]

I wonder if LE thought to check the trash can that's normally by the gas pumps. Does the QT not have cameras at the pumps? If she was actually the one that disconnected the tracker, would she toss it? If I was paranoid, wanting to get away, and trying not to be tracked, I'd probably throw that tracker thing right in the closest trash can. Eta: but I'd probably turn my phone off, too.

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[thekarmabus]

Not at all suggesting that LE are all bad guys.

But take a moment to watch that video, read about these cases right there in KCMO and recent.


I'd say 95% of this thread is speculation based on what we know. I'm simply speculating on multiple things that are plausible based on what we know.

It's not a rumor that the drug informant in that article was killed for being sniffed as a snitch. It's not a rumor that janina vasquez should have been charged and sent to prison, but somehow was never charged. It's not a rumor that KCMO uses confidential informants.

But just the same as we can speculate what Toni might have been doing that night or if her gas tank was empty or full, I am speculating that much of these odd aspects about the case, could be explained by Toni being a CI.

Not a rumor, it's speculation.

Also it's not a rumor that the KC child crimes unit was deemed incompetent. It's a fact :

http://www.komu.com/news/memos-kansas-city-police-child-crimes-unit-incompetent-

So... my speculation is that there could potentially be a link here. So feel free to dismiss it and point out your speculation : "apparently there is no indication of anything at this time"

Because I don't think it's apparent. I think that's why a dashcam video might help make that apparent.

I find it hard to see a case like nina vaszquez and a report about incomprehensible/indefensible incompetency in the dept and just trust them blindly regardless.

Dashcam video would simply solidify a timeline. This confidential informant topic is speculation that would **explain** why someone like Toni would want to **disappear**. Isn't that kind of what they said happened? "she just disappeared."

It's reasonable speculation that if her gps went off at that gas station, that SHE did it. Even their own reporting seems to support that. So why? what is her reason?


CI?? That's called speculation. not a rumor. And I find it odd that you are suggesting we not evaluate a crime that happened about 5 miles from where Toni was last seen, and for a while... that girl seemed to just "disappear". A girl who also had drug related arrest in her past that didn't result in charges. It's not wild rumors to speculate that they might be CI's.

Seems pretty relevant to me.

Is there an article stating Janina was an informant ? I just read the articles you posted and did a quick read on online articles. I don't see a connection except that they both had drug charges ( which many do) and the location bring 5 miles. Janina was seen after her initial disappearance at the casino and sounds like there was someone else involved. In no way am I stating this is not connected... perhaps I'm blind and not seeing the connection. If it's based on LE not showing dash video or pings.. that's a standard action to keep an integrity of a case if they have a POI... or don't want to tip the person who may have her


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[MaxManning]

I can't comment as I don't know all the details in that case and saddens me she is not with her family. I do believe in our LE department though. There are always the exceptions and this may be the case in that situation ...in most part though the LE are the "good guys". Maybe best to stick to the facts of this case and not rumors/speculation of a past case.


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Also on the topic of rumors/speculation

It's not rumor nor speculation that they initially said Toni wasn't pulled over.
It's not rumor nor speculation that the time for the pullover was reported as 4:25 BEFORE changing it to 4:40, oddly enough after the family gave bank statement information about her declined transactions at the QT.
It's not rumor nor speculation that they have declined to release dash cam footage that could simply make it real clear about the time of the pullover.
It's not rumor nor speculation that the sunshine act is about transparency and specifically for things of this nature.

There are many speculations that can be had about what any of those FACTS indicate.

You posted this in an earlier comment :
" There was an IG photo on her account with a stack of bills. If she had been planning this she could have saved a good amount in cash over a period of time. Unless the dash cam shows someone else was in the car... it's almost a certainty she disabled the GPS. "

Sounds alot like speculation.

So I'm kind of not clear on why another case in KCMO where the same police dept didn't divulge a 911 call and concluded it was her jumping in a well as opposed to murder, which was obvious all along.... is not relevant to this case.

I'm also not clear how the factual use of confidential informants in KCMO and the factual death of one of those informants, isn't something valid to speculate might have been a factor in this case.

I don't want to offend, but just wanted to respond to how you have made speculations that are no different than mine, and I'm not just floating nonsense with no actual facts that support the plausibility of my speculation. CI's are a real thing. Toni fits the profile of someone who might be used in this way. That's a speculation that someone else proposed, and after researching, it seems to make sense from alot of angles.

 

[MaryG12]

A question about the text "OMG just pulled over again":

Were there any other texts on her phone stating she was pulled over previously that same night?

Or, was the above mentioned text an allusion as to her being pulled over by LE frequently?

 

[MaxManning]

Is there an article stating Janina was an informant ? I just read the articles you posted and did a quick read on online articles. I don't see a connection except that they both had drug charges ( which many do) and the location bring 5 miles. Janina was seen after her initial disappearance at the casino and sounds like there was someone else involved. In no way am I stating this is not connected... perhaps I'm blind and not seeing the connection. If it's based on LE not showing dash video or pings.. that's a standard action to keep an integrity of a case if they have a POI... or don't want to tip the person who may have her


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I didn't state she was an informant. I stated that informants are used in KCMO and I even had links showing that they did, the types of people they choose, and lawyers who state that as something they do, and a link of an actual CI being killed just 2 blocks from where janina was murdered. Both in the past 3 years. I didn't just state that it was the case. That would be a rumor.


What I did is provide information, some specific to this very LE dept, that supports that this is a thing.

I speculated that *if* Toni was an informant, that would explain some things that we currently find confusing.

It would give a **reason** why she would want to disappear.

Nowhere have I ever stated that I know what happened. I have actually speculated many angles and posted them -- accident? running away? drug deal? prostitution? being in the wrong place at the wrong time? etc.

Not any different than your speculation based on her IG account with a stack of bills.. right? You used your own opinion to make a speculation about what she might do. Nothing factual.

Is it crazy to think that someone might become a CI due to a drug arrest? Watch the video i posted with factual accounts of such. Kids avoiding prison by becoming an informant.

It's factual that it happens. Just the same as you saw a stack of bills on her IG account, I saw a tweet and tumblr page where **she said** she was arrested for drugs and alludes to a deal that helped her avoid prison.

I don't know that it's factual that she took a deal, but is it plausible? I think so. Why? because I watched a video of factual accounts of people who did just that and were quite similar to her.

So.. watch the video and decide for yourself if it's a thing.

If you agree, then I ask you to consider that Toni might have been a CI.

that's all... no wild rumors or speculation.

 

[lmadler]

Is there an article stating Janina was an informant ? I just read the articles you posted and did a quick read on online articles. I don't see a connection except that they both had drug charges ( which many do) and the location bring 5 miles. Janina was seen after her initial disappearance at the casino and sounds like there was someone else involved. In no way am I stating this is not connected... perhaps I'm blind and not seeing the connection. If it's based on LE not showing dash video or pings.. that's a standard action to keep an integrity of a case if they have a POI... or don't want to tip the person who may have her


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Good point.

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[thekarmabus]

Also on the topic of rumors/speculation

It's not rumor nor speculation that they initially said Toni wasn't pulled over.
It's not rumor nor speculation that the time for the pullover was reported as 4:25 BEFORE changing it to 4:40, oddly enough after the family gave bank statement information about her declined transactions at the QT.
It's not rumor nor speculation that they have declined to release dash cam footage that could simply make it real clear about the time of the pullover.
It's not rumor nor speculation that the sunshine act is about transparency and specifically for things of this nature.

There are many speculations that can be had about what any of those FACTS indicate.

You posted this in an earlier comment :
" There was an IG photo on her account with a stack of bills. If she had been planning this she could have saved a good amount in cash over a period of time. Unless the dash cam shows someone else was in the car... it's almost a certainty she disabled the GPS. "

Sounds alot like speculation.

So I'm kind of not clear on why another case in KCMO where the same police dept didn't divulge a 911 call and concluded it was her jumping in a well as opposed to murder, which was obvious all along.... is not relevant to this case.

I'm also not clear how the factual use of confidential informants in KCMO and the factual death of one of those informants, isn't something valid to speculate might have been a factor in this case.

I don't want to offend, but just wanted to respond to how you have made speculations that are no different than mine, and I'm not just floating nonsense with no actual facts that support the plausibility of my speculation. CI's are a real thing. Toni fits the profile of someone who might be used in this way. That's a speculation that someone else proposed, and after researching, it seems to make sense from alot of angles.

I don't want to get into a pissing match. I'm sorry if I offended you in some way. My intention was nothing personal. It seems perhaps you are personally vested in this. Apologies ... I was not aiming at you nor anyone. Only a thought based on my knowledge .


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[perfectingpink]

Search for Toni Anderson continues, week after disappearance

Sunday update: Toni Anderson's father, Brian Anderson, says there's been an active search for Toni, now missing for a week. Brian Anderson says the effort included an aerial search around the river, embankments, wooded areas and up near her last known location.

He says detectives indicated they're continuing to receive tips and information that they are actively following up on, including possible updates regarding information on Toni's cell phone.

"We continue to appreciate all of the support from the media, the hard work of the Kansas City police detectives they're putting into this," Brian Anderson says. "The love and prayers that are coming from literally all over the country and around the world at this point... We just want to continue to make sure that we've gotta keep her story out there, that people keep their eyes peeled and if they see something to please contact the police department or call Crime Stoppers."

http://www.kwch.com/content/news/KC-police-search-for-missing-Wichita-woman-411018955.html

 

[heartgoesout]

Why disable the insurance device but not her cell? If you WANT to disappear, you disappear, not 'kinda' disappear.

If she was pulled over a lot, it's possible the police were familiar with her and on the look out for her for one reason or another. Maybe even to keep an eye on her safety. I think that police knew her car, especially since she drove at hours roads aren't heavily traveled.

 

[VictoriaH]

Are we able to attach a picture in one of these messages?
I took pics while watching the video and I zoomed in on the part when she was at the gas pump. I did some viewing with different effects and it looks like she's wearing a red top. Just wanted to share it.

 

[MaxManning]

Are we able to attach a picture in one of these messages?
I took pics while watching the video and I zoomed in on the part when she was at the gas pump. I did some viewing with different effects and it looks like she's wearing a red top. Just wanted to share it.

I'm just not even sure how we know it's even her

I trust that it is, but I get a similar feeling when looking at the iconic blurry bigfoot or nelly pictures.


But yep, I think it does have a reddish tint to it, if I concentrate. But not sure if it's because I am focusing on seeing red or not.

 

[Boomeroreo]

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[Deleted member 155000]

Oddly, this one turned up on the KC news today, even though she's been missing since the 9th. Probably not related, but both are petite blonds from the same area, so thought I'd drop a link:
http://www.kshb.com/news/crime/kc-police-search-for-missing-14-year-old-girl

 

[misslu]

I'll suggest something that I was thinking along the lines of bad cop theory (I can't say I've wrapped my head around that though tbh): if she was pulled over at that time, obviously heading "out" still, could the officer have done a sobriety test or she granted a search of her vehicle? I know some standards have to be met to warrant that but it's just a thought when you consider the dashcam footage is "part of the investigation" That would leave her car unmanned for long enough to disconnect something.

There really are SO many possibilities here. Where's that car?? I think once that is found everything will come together. I hope she's safe. Not a good feeling with this one, I'm afraid.

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[wfgodot]

To cut to the chase for just a moment and take the
temperature of the room -- which do you think now?

1. She will be found alive.
2. She will be found dead.
3. She will not be found.

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[Deleted member 155000]

To cut to the chase for just a moment and take the
temperature of the room -- which do you think now?

1. She will be found alive.
2. She will be found dead.
3. She will not be found.

____

I think she'll be found. Probably not alive if she was taken against her will. But if she left on her own, there's a good chance she'll turn up alive. I hope this is a scam, for her sake, because she can get counseling and support and grow through a poor choice.

 

[MaxManning]

Why disable the insurance device but not her cell? If you WANT to disappear, you disappear, not 'kinda' disappear.

If she was pulled over a lot, it's possible the police were familiar with her and on the look out for her for one reason or another. Maybe even to keep an eye on her safety. I think that police knew her car, especially since she drove at hours roads aren't heavily traveled.

To be fair, we don't even know if she has her phone. If you read the wikihow about how to disappear completely, it was saying you should ditch such devices. So... she might have ditched the car with the phone.

Yet another weird decision by those searching for her might have led to not finding the device yet. I can't believe they searched 2 other areas BEFORE they actually finally searched the area where she was last seen 1 week later.

I agree that it's likely that the police might have known her by her car, due to the time of night she typically drove due to work and because probably one of the few cars they'd see at that hour.

They also might have known her , if she was a CI possibly ? Would hate to blow that cover, right?

One way a CI might get away with being around police often while also managing not to draw suspicion, is to sell the idea you are pulled over all the time and it's annoying. mention it often and it gives the appearance that you are open about it, so therefore you aren't hiding that you are talking to police about other stuff... *cough*