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sketchyjen33 said:
so, next question. If the digital footprint (or whatever) puts TMH in the school, taking the picture at 8:45 and then witnesses say they saw them both leave a little while after--where is Kyron at the first, even the second Fred Meyer? Surely drugs have not kicked in by then and he's laying in the cab of the truck. Surely someone would have noticed if he was acting strangely at school that morning (if she gave him something on the way to school). According to her, she would have had about 15-20 minutes to get from school to first Fred Meyer--how much and what could she give him that would have knocked him out that quickly, to allow her to leave him in the truck? Or are we saying that she just gave him a pure overdose/committed heinous act in that 20 minutes (if it was confirmed that she was there)? Has the first Fred Meyer been confirmed by LE??
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Yes, LE has surveillance video confirming she visited two Fred Meyer stores after she left Kyron's school. However, no times for her "visits" are confirmed, we are stuck bouncing our timelines off only details given by Horman. (For confirmation, refer to video in comment 667 of other recent thread at about 6 minutes in).

Rough unofficial transcript: Sources tell KATU there is surveillance video of Terri Horman visiting two different Fred Meyer stores after she left Kyron’s school in search—she says—of medication for her daughter who had an ear infection.
Kyron Horman Discussion Thread 2017/ New Search July


There is another important part, here--or at least it could be important.

Snipped Quote: Multnomah County Chief Deputy District Attorney Rod Underhill said a witness, or witnesses, have reported seeing someone else by the Hormans' extended-cab pickup while it was parked in front of the school between 8:15 a.m. and 8:45 a.m. on June 4, the day Kyron disappeared.

Authorities are seeking to identify the person, or persons, who may have been spotted by the truck as it was parked outside the school's front fence in the shoulder of Northwest Skyline Boulevard. Someone possibly moved the pickup and parked it up a gravel path in front of the school's playground while Terri Moulton Horman was inside the school with her stepson for his science fair.
https://www.oregonlive.com/portland/2010/08/kyron_horman_case_investigator.

Here is a video discussing the above:

Rough unofficial transcript: (Beginning at 3:07 minutes) Investigators say they know at some point that morning the white truck was parked … directly in front of Skyline School along Skyline.

At a different part of the morning, investigators say they also know the white truck was parked further up this gravel road about 60 feet away from the original location.
 
bykerladi said:
Any prescription pain killer would knock a small boy out and probably kill him. And if she just had a baby, she probably had some on hand.
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Within 15 minutes, by her timeline? I don't know...I guess if it was a big enough dose. Also, the baby was 18-19 months old. I can't think of a doctor telling you to take anything stronger than aspirin after a baby (but she probably had something on hand....who doesn't have some kind of pain medication hanging around). Now, if someone was sitting in the truck with him as he was going in and out of consciousness...that I could see. But who would be so cruel to just sit there and watch this happen???
 
passionflower said:
Revenge, Jealousy and Money
I found this to be interesting...........
maybe she had a debt also and used KYRON for a 'payment'???

Pornland, Oregon: Child Prostitution in Portland | HuffPost

Just PLAIN EVIL with to much time on her hands to think of devious things like MFH
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I haven't visited this yet (since I'm mostly on here while at work....) but I thought it might be an interesting read. Still not sure if I can believe that she would do something like that. I'm still kind of close to the fence about her right now. Probably 80/20 she did something. Maybe, she stowed him away somewhere until he was 18 to keep him away from someone that might have been molesting him? I just can't get behind her selling him (at the time, she didn't need money--unless she thought KH was cheating on her and she was getting ready for a divorce). And if SHE is the one that sent J away, her own son, maybe she tried to do that with Kyron, also. It's just a matter of who.
 
Based upon another poster's suggestion, I did a reddit search for Kyron, and there is a reddit thread that provides some pretty compelling information to refute that TH could not be the kidnapper/killer. If that's the case, who else could it be? I didn't see a thread on this forum for alternative suspects. TH's friend (DD?) passed a lie detector test, so I don't think she was involved. Stranger danger?
 
That's the only thing I can think. He was just in the wrong place at the wrong time. But I hate to think that too because that could mean that he will potentially never be found. And since the school wasn't great at security measures (it sounds like....), it was someone that might have been familiar with the school. By all accounts, TH did seem to be a sort-of "doting" stepmother. There are pictures of them as a cohesive family unit, DY in a birthday picture with Baby K, TH commenting on DY family pictures.....unless it's all just a very good ruse. There are alot of Baby K pictures....but who doesn't take lots of photos of babies? I did see mention on here, that maybe TH was cheating and possibly DD was helping cover that....? By all accounts, DD did not come into the picture until recently and from KH description it didn't seem like the two were having Girls Night Out every night or every weekend for that matter. Maybe TH just befriended DD to help cover the affair and then used her by having her drive Baby K around for that 90 minutes or whatever and their unaccounted time has nothing to do with Kyron.....
 
bykerladi said:
Oh yes, within 15 minutes. Give the right drug to a person who doesn't have a tolerance and it'll knock them out in minutes. Even an adult.
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Leftovers from her years as a bodybuilder, even. I recently took old hydrocondone & Flexaril from a spinal injury to the police station for an RX drop-off.

I rarely took the 2 together -- too loopy! I'm, ah, quite a bit larger than Kyron was on that morning.

JMHO YMMV
 
sketchyjen33 said:
That's the only thing I can think. He was just in the wrong place at the wrong time. But I hate to think that too because that could mean that he will potentially never be found. And since the school wasn't great at security measures (it sounds like....), it was someone that might have been familiar with the school. By all accounts, TH did seem to be a sort-of "doting" stepmother. There are pictures of them as a cohesive family unit, DY in a birthday picture with Baby K, TH commenting on DY family pictures.....unless it's all just a very good ruse. There are alot of Baby K pictures....but who doesn't take lots of photos of babies? I did see mention on here, that maybe TH was cheating and possibly DD was helping cover that....? By all accounts, DD did not come into the picture until recently and from KH description it didn't seem like the two were having Girls Night Out every night or every weekend for that matter. Maybe TH just befriended DD to help cover the affair and then used her by having her drive Baby K around for that 90 minutes or whatever and their unaccounted time has nothing to do with Kyron.....
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BBM....

That is simply not true. Terri and Kaine were arguing quite a bit about Terri's treatment of Kyron. Terri had complained to friends about Kyron and sent those hate-filled emails about him. She blamed that poor little boy for her marital issues. Terri was also drinking heavily and neglecting the baby. There was plenty of trouble in that house so those photos were just a false front. Terri is a manipulator and a liar. IMHO....she is a sociopath.
 
bykerladi said:
Based upon another poster's suggestion, I did a reddit search for Kyron, and there is a reddit thread that provides some pretty compelling information to refute that TH could not be the kidnapper/killer. If that's the case, who else could it be? I didn't see a thread on this forum for alternative suspects. TH's friend (DD?) passed a lie detector test, so I don't think she was involved. Stranger danger?
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Kyron was seen leaving the school with Terri. No stranger was involved unless Terri had an unknown accomplice that morning.

There are some posts elsewhere that are factually incorrect, and do not offer any real information about the case. WS is your best source because rumors are not allowed here, and there is a wealth of information on the older threads.
 
sketchyjen33 said:
Just hate for it to be that "easy" for her, you know. I hate to think that she just "rolled him off the road" and left him somewhere. Just makes it that much harder to believe that they haven't found ANYTHING of his...that we know of.
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BBM....

It should not be hard to believe at all. There are literally hundreds of thousands of people who are missing and presumed dead. A body is not as easy to locate as you assume. Finding a body in dense woods with thick undergrowth is extremely difficult. The elements, along with insects and animals, play a role in making it an almost impossible task. When a body is found it is more the exception than the rule, and it often takes a confession to help locate a missing person's body, even after extensive searches. The remains of a small child are even more more difficult to find especially if searchers are unable to narrow the perimeters of the search area.
 
EllaMae said:
BBM....

That is simply not true. Terri and Kaine were arguing quite a bit about Terri's treatment of Kyron. Terri had complained to friends about Kyron and sent those hate-filled emails about him. She blamed that poor little boy for her marital issues. Terri was also drinking heavily and neglecting the baby. There was plenty of trouble in that house so those photos were just a false front. Terri is a manipulator and a liar. IMHO....she is a sociopath.
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Just so I can have something to go off of....do you know where I can find anything about the emails? I've looked on here but everything is just going off what DY is saying. I'm not discrediting DY at all. I just wish we had something to see. And I'm still knocking around on here, trying to read through EVERY thread to get as much information as I can. The one thing that stands out too....KH says on the Dr. Phil show that no, they did not argue the night before. He says everything was fine, he got up, and went to work as usual. TH says they were up until 3 yelling at each other. Now...I am married and I know that my husband's version and my version of a "fight" can be completely different because he is super laid back and I'm tightly wound. But I would think that KH would jump at the chance to say "Yes...fighting all the time so yes, she might have been holding a grudge and wanted to get back at me". He does say that she seemed to be neglecting things and passed out alot of times. I do remember some parenting things come up when the case first came out but like I said, I'm still knocking around on here and the internet as a whole trying to get whatever information I can get. A lot of links are broken and pictures/maps are gone (from here). So, I'm not taking her side by any stretch and I know I have to take alot of what I see with a grain of salt.
 
JSR said:
Because child abduction cases are so different than if an adult goes missing. Especially without a body. Until they can procure Kyron's remains I don't think Terri will ever be charged. They need his remains. And I'm of the opinion that Terri handed off her phone to Dede so now LE has absolutely no idea where to go searching. I don't think she wanted them to be able to track her (and to locate the pings to go search for his body) And OR is a really easy place to hide something and have it never to be found.

Unless there's some evidence that can prove Kyron is no longer alive I don't see any charges ever being brought against Terri. She was smart. The fair was a perfect distraction and a perfect excuse that someone OTHER than her abducted Kyron. Terri isn't stupid and I think if she just waits it out and never speaks to anyone (i.e. LE) she will skate.

Which is incredibly sad. Because I feel that she did kill Kyron. I just hope that Kaine can keep her away from his only surviving child. In my opinion, Terri isn't someone who should ever be around children. Ever.

At some point Terri's reality will get distorted again and she will have to find someone else to blame for what she perceives as stopping her from having the perfect life. She's got a really bad combination of personality flaws that make her dangerous to anyone she's around. And that includes adults.

ADDED: Also important to note is that Terri it seems covered her tracks well. And as such I'm also of the opinion Terri planned this well in advance. I mean very far in advance.

All my opinion of course.
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BBM....An interesting take from an earlier thread....maybe that's all it was. TH hands off the phone, tells DD she going to "hang out" with her dude/chick on the side--"watch the baby", Kyron is doped up in the blue tote in the bed of the truck, and TH heads off to dump him somewhere. But then where is DD and what is she driving?? Is she close to SI with the phone and TH is on the other side of the county in the truck? Does TH drive DD and baby back to house and then go about her plan? Did she know that her cell phone would ping off of SI if she had DD go to a certain spot--essentially dropping a lady and baby off in the middle of nowhere for an hour?? But then it's back to how can DD get around town if her car was still at the farm? How is there not some kind of search history or time spent at a library?
 
stmarysmead said:
Desiree seems to have discovered in these emails that Terri despised both HER and her son. I think she may be experiencing some shock at both the long term deception and the depth of Terri's feelings. And her whole sense of what was REAL before is probably shattered.

If Desiree believed that she and Terri had a comfortable, working co-parenting relationship...and she believed in much of the fantasy of Facebook Terri, that probably provided Desiree with a certain comfort level in letting another woman raise her child.

Imagine if you were shown emails written by your child care provider that you thought you had a good relationship with...and you thought genuinely liked your child...and now you see hate oozing from these emails about both of you. It would be stunning to a point beyond disturbing...because The False Mask would have dropped. You would be seeing the rage , the hatred that a small child had to deal with every day. And you would have to face the level on which you were deceived.

Additionally, if these emails are common variety venting, I do not understand what probative value they would have to LE. Why would LE even shown them to the parents if any good defense lawyer could ridicule them before a jury? Either they are as vile as Desiree's words tell us they are, or they are useless. No point in even asking Kaine or Desiree about the circumstances of the day surrounding them..if they are merely commonplace variety venting that any defense lawyer could shred in a few minutes.

There seems to be a "Terri" that Terri wished to be. The "Okay, I love you" SuperMom, Friend-to-Desiree Terri. She wanted everyone to believe she was the Good Samaritan friend hired to care for a sick woman's baby...that MUCH later fell in love with Dad and created a loving, creative co-parenting home. So her own Mother spread that lie.

She wanted Desiree to think she was her friend, agreeable to Kyron living with her.

She wanted people to believe Kaine sent J away...not Terri herself when Kaine was gone.

The duplicity must have been exhausting.

Her Facebook pages speak of a perfect happy marriage...and the perfect little family. Terri with the Mask on.

I think Kaine tried mightily to believe in that Terri too...and she enabled him.

But, privately...she is sending hateful emails, sexting, trying to engage killers, consumed with rage. Alone with her, without Kaine around....or the people she wished to impress and fool...that Ugly Teri is the Terri Kyron lived with every day.

This is really a frightening story...like the worst of the gruesome old fairy tales about wicked stepmothers and Fathers who see only their "beauty."
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BBM.....now, I'm kind of going through old threads and looking at things that kind of make sense. Don't mind me....
 
sketchyjen33 said:
I haven't visited this yet (since I'm mostly on here while at work....) but I thought it might be an interesting read. Still not sure if I can believe that she would do something like that. I'm still kind of close to the fence about her right now. Probably 80/20 she did something. Maybe, she stowed him away somewhere until he was 18 to keep him away from someone that might have been molesting him? I just can't get behind her selling him (at the time, she didn't need money--unless she thought KH was cheating on her and she was getting ready for a divorce). And if SHE is the one that sent J away, her own son, maybe she tried to do that with Kyron, also. It's just a matter of who.
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KH was not cheating on Terri. But she was unable to keep up the lie she was living,especially with the alcohol abuse that threatened her marriage. Terri is the kind of woman who married for financial gain. She set her sights on Kaine because he was prosperous. She never really cared for him at all but she liked her lifestyle. She was looking for Kaine's replacement the minute Kaine took the baby and fled. She tried to reel in Michael Cook but they were discovered by LE before she could close the deal. Terri never goes for very long without using someone else's money. She's on husband #4 for a name change and whatever money she can wrangle from him. She has just about drained her parents dry financially. She is a master manipulator and user of people . If you look at her life as a whole you can see the pattern.
 
EllaMae said:
Kyron was seen leaving the school with Terri. No stranger was involved unless Terri had an unknown accomplice that morning.

There are some posts elsewhere that are factually incorrect, and do not offer any real information about the case. WS is your best source because rumors are not allowed here, and there is a wealth of information on the older threads.
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Did LE release that indeed Terri was seen leaving with Kyron that morning? Or is that just word of mouth?
 
sketchyjen33 said:
BBM.....now, I'm kind of going through old threads and looking at things that kind of make sense. Don't mind me....
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Its a hard case. Some days I am on the fence and others on a side. If I can't see the evidence I won't make an assumption. I think back on that first day, I remember where I was reading about the search for Kyron, they believed he was lost in the woods. I know he wasn't, but why did they think that. A child is missing, he must of went into the woods during school. Still makes me so sad. My own son was starting k that year. You drop them off at school and expect them to be safe and get off the bus later.
 
keeponsearching said:
Its a hard case. Some days I am on the fence and others on a side. If I can't see the evidence I won't make an assumption. I think back on that first day, I remember where I was reading about the search for Kyron, they believed he was lost in the woods. I know he wasn't, but why did they think that. A child is missing, he must of went into the woods during school. Still makes me so sad. My own son was starting k that year. You drop them off at school and expect them to be safe and get off the bus later.
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When a person first goes missing--in this case a 7-year-old child--law enforcement is as much in the dark as anyone. Protocol dictates that the first searches occur in the vicinity of where the person was last seen. Meanwhile, an investigation begins.

In Kyron's case, it wasn't until approximately 11 days later that we learned his case was considered a criminal investigation.

I suspect that in the course of those 11 days, and through extensive interviews and re-interviews and polygraphing and following tips and who knows what all, law enforcement uncovered information that they didn't have in the beginning. And that new information led them in a more informed, factual based direction.

Kyron Horman search wraps up as disappearance case now moves to criminal investigation - oregonlive.com
 
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