Deceased/Not Found NY - Etan Patz, 6, New York, 25 May 1979 #2 *P. Hernandez guilty*

[wfgodot]

I'm not verified, but I am a friend of a family member (not immediate). They think it's over. They thought it was Ramos and just wanted to know where EP was. They weren't confident over the basement search. But this afternoon the family is spreading the word that it is finally over. I hope for all of their sakes it is. Jmo

When I went to bed last night, the last thing on my mind would have been that I'd wake up and spend the day following this story. I thought once the basement search was done, that we wouldn't hear the name Etan Patz in the media until, say, the 35th anniversary, and then hear it only in passing, and then again down the line, five years at a time. I really thought the 127B Forest search was a last ditch effort and that it had failed and that was that.

So I'm hoping!

 

[wfgodot]

A scam is, quite simply, a lie. Why would he be perpetrating a scam (lie)? Any of the countless number of same reasons that hundreds, if not thousands, of other people falsely confess to crimes each year.

I whole-heartedly disagree with your statement that most 33 year old murders would have no evidence left to provide proof. I would imagine that most murderers of unsolved cases could take police to the body at any time they wished. The "body disappeared" claim is the hallmark of a scam.

All just my opinion of course.

You really don't have to define terms to me. I understand what you're saying. Your "body just disappeared" phrase appears to come from reporting done hours ago, quite probably based on LE sources who did not at that time have access to the totality of Hernandez's statement; the press conference established that Hernandez told LE he'd taken the body and left it on the street as garbage. And if it was picked up by sanitation workers as garbage, 33 years later no trace of it remains, not even at the landfill where it would have been buried.

 

[Disgusted]

the Locust Grove Girl Scout Camp murders

I've never heard of that case. Time to do some reading I guess.

 

[Disgusted]

I'm not verified, but I am a friend of a family member (not immediate). They think it's over. They thought it was Ramos and just wanted to know where EP was. They weren't confident over the basement search. But this afternoon the family is spreading the word that it is finally over. I hope for all of their sakes it is. Jmo

This doesn't at all sound logical to me. It wasn't "over" before because even though they "knew" Ramos did it, they didn't know where EP was. But now they "know" someone else did it, but don't know and likely never will know where EP is, and it's "over"? Sorry, but that doesn't follow even the most basic line of logic.

 

[Wondergirl]

Diehn was just interviewed on Fox 5 News here in NYC. He said he thought Hernandez might have been in the witness protection program, because every time he (Diehn) came outside, Hernandez went inside.

Now THAT is interesting.

Thank-you for posting that.

 

[Claudette]

I've never heard of that case. Time to do some reading I guess.

It's really disturbing, more so than normal. Just warning you.

 

[wfgodot]

I've never heard of that case. Time to do some reading I guess.

It's a good (meaning bad) one. Wiki has a pretty good write-up. A Native American who lived in the area of the Girl Scout Camp was charged with the murders but found not guilty. Many people think it was a miscarriage of justice. I never felt that the guy - Gene Leroy Hart - did the crime. It's been a talking point here in NE OK where I live (the crime scene's a little over an hour south of me) for 35 years now. Everybody alive back then who knew the case still will give you his or her opinion now.

 

[Thinkzerz]

Bodega basement? Is this the same basement that was dug up? If it is then maybe this is were the tip came about. With this guy telling his wife etc and maybe she didn't believe him just like LE didn't when he confessed years ago. He might have mentioned this basement to her and when LE was digging it up his wife realized he was telling the truth? JMO

 

[Claudette]

Diehn was just interviewed on Fox 5 News here in NYC. He said he thought Hernandez might have been in the witness protection program, because every time he (Diehn) came outside, Hernandez went inside.

As someone that is fairly introverted and would prefer being alone to being in a room with 30 people, he may have just been really private and didn't like to be around anyone. I promise I'm not a hermit lol but my husband thinks it is so weird, but I don't like being outside when the neighbors are. We live in a townhome though, not sure what their situation is.

 

[Claudette]

Yeah, what the heck is a bodega by the way?

 

[Disgusted]

It's a good (meaning bad) one. Wiki has a pretty good write-up. A Native American who lived in the area of the Girl Scout Camp was charged with the murders but found not guilty. Many people think it was a miscarriage of justice. I never felt that the guy - Gene Leroy Hart - did the crime. It's been a talking point here in NE OK where I live (the crime scene's a little over an hour south) for 35 years now. Everybody alive back then who knew the case still will give you his or her opinion now.

I'm interested to hear your thoughts on the case. Do you have a suspect?

 

[wfgodot]

Yeah, what the heck is a bodega by the way?

Bodega is a Spanish word for a small grocery store, one that frequently also sells beer and wine along with a small stock of canned goods, lunch meat, soda, candy, etc. etc.

 

[wfgodot]

I'm interested to hear your thoughts on the case. Do you have a suspect?

Not really. There area several names out there, but my main concern with the case was that LE was attempting to railroad a Native American and bring the case to a quick and convenient close. Really, what people will first tell you if you ask them about it is whether or not they think Gene Hart was guilty. Other suspects sometimes are secondary. Hart was Cherokee (as are a whole lot of people where I live), and the tribe has its headquarters in Tahlequah, not far from Locust Grove.

We have a WS thread on it - not a very active one, though it does flare up every now and again:

Girl Scout Murders, 3 children 7, 8, 9 yrs old

 

[Cancan]

This is the sunglass store, formerly the bodega. You can see it's not large.

http://www.yelp.com/biz/jf-rey-eyewear-new-york

 

[Disgusted]

Not really. There area several names out there, but my main concern with the case was that LE was attempting to railroad a Native American and bring the case to a quick and convenient close. Really, what people will first tell you if you ask them about it is whether or not they think Gene Hart was guilty. Other suspects sometimes are secondary. Hart was Cherokee (as are a whole lot of people where I live), and the tribe has its headquarters in Tahlequah, not far from Locust Grove.

We have a WS thread on it - not a very active one, though it does flare up every now and again:

Girl Scout Murders, 3 children 7, 8, 9 yrs old

I just read up on the case. I actually had heard of it before, just didn't recognize the name. I can only hope that there is still some of the dna evidence left and they can retest it again when technology is even better. Has it ever been disclosed wether or not Hart was at large when the note threatening 3 deaths was left?

 

[Cancan]

As someone that is fairly introverted and would prefer being alone to being in a room with 30 people, he may have just been really private and didn't like to be around anyone. I promise I'm not a hermit lol but my husband thinks it is so weird, but I don't like being outside when the neighbors are. We live in a townhome though, not sure what their situation is.

From TV, the houses looked fairly close together, but single family homes (not attached.) Lots maybe 100 feet wide, if that.

 

[Cancan]

Bodega basement? Is this the same basement that was dug up? If it is then maybe this is were the tip came about. With this guy telling his wife etc and maybe she didn't believe him just like LE didn't when he confessed years ago. He might have mentioned this basement to her and when LE was digging it up his wife realized he was telling the truth? JMO

It's not the same address/building. However, the tip did come about because of the digging: Hernandez's relative saw the news about the digging, put 2 and 2 together, and contacted law enforcement.

I do not think his wife was the one to call police. They showed his wife and daughter being escorted from the house by police today. I assume they're being taken into protective custody.

 

[i.b.nora]

So, Etan would have had to cross W. Broadway to get to his bus? Did the bus stop on that corner, in front of the bodega?

 

[snowhiteo]

What I don't get about this guy's story is that it seems like there had to be other kids at that bus stop that would have seen this guy either in front of the store or in the doorway talking to Etan and luring him in with candy or soda or whatever. I have read that most of the children that lived in SoHo attended that school that Etan did, and it seems like there would have been several kids waiting for the bus, and nobody saw anything?? What about the other people that worked in that bodega-cashiers, manager, etc.?? I am not saying I don't believe it, but if it turns out to be legit, then IMO either some people intentionally covered for this guy or just chose not to say they saw Etan going in the store with this guy for whatever reason. Also, I can't believe that there wasn't at least one adult at that bus stop with their children.

 

[NocturnalLady]

Couple more things:

It ticks me off that after all the attention this case has generated they had this guy's name & NEVER talked to him. I mean 2 blocks is not a huge area to go missing in. SOMEONE that was in that area took Etan. And NO ONE in all these years went back over the case and had the bright idea to try to interview people that had been missed the first time around??? Seriously disappointing.