LaborDayRN
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I've been wondering if there would be jurors who were simply to afraid, anxious to serve on the jury. They may be afraid of retribution.
Who could blame them?
NY - Ex-President Donald Trump, charged with 34 criminal counts of falsifying business records, Apr 2023, Trial 25 Mar 2024 #2
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Who could blame them?
Man sets himself on fire outside Trump trial.
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Updated April 19, 2024
Juror No. 1 is a middle-aged salesman who immigrated to the United States from Ireland. He lives in West Harlem & said he normally gets his news from the New York Times, Daily Mail, Fox News & MSNBC. In his spare time, he said he enjoys doing "anything outdoorsy." He's married & has no children & his spouse is studying in school. He is the Foreperson.
Juror No. 2 The second juror is a Hell's Kitchen resident who works in investment banking. He holds a master's degree in business administration & lives with his wife. Some of his news sources include X (formerly Twitter) & Truth Social & he follows reporting on topics such as Trump, Michael Cohen & the wars in Ukraine & Israel. He also indicated that while he has not read the former president's 1987 book, The Art of the Deal, he has seen quotes.
Juror No. 3 is a corporate attorney who moved to New York from Oregon five years ago. He has worked at two major white-shoe law firms in New York. He said he normally gets his news from The New York Times, Wall Street Journal, and Google. In his spare time, he said he enjoys hiking and running.
Juror No. 4 a male who has lived in the West Village for 15 years, is originally from California. He has worked as a security engineer for 25 years, has some college education & is married to a teacher, with whom he shares two children. He told the court that he is not on social media & previously served on a jury while living on the West Coast, although he was not able to recall the verdict of the case.
Juror No. 5 a resident of Harlem who currently works as an ELA teacheer at a charter school. She previously worked as a caseworker in juvenile delinquency & holds a master's degree in education. She is not married, has no children & told the court that she uses TikTok & Google. She was also not aware that Trump is facing additional criminal charges outside of the Manhattan case. A life-long New Yorker, she currently works as an ELA teacher in a charter school and lives in Harlem. She normally gets her news from Google and TikTok but said that she "doesn't really care for the news."
Juror No. 6 is a software engineer who works for the Walt Disney Company, which is the parent company of ABC News. She grew up in New York City & lives in Chelsea with three roommates. She said she gets her news from The New York Times and TikTok. In her spare time, she said she enjoys plays, restaurants, dancing, & watching TV. She is unmarried, has no kids & lives with three roommates: one who works in consulting, another in fundraising at a nonprofit, and a fellow software engineer.
Juror No. 7 lives on the Upper East Side of Manhattan & is originally from North Carolina. He works in civil litigation & is married to a woman who works in risk management at a bank. They share two children & his news sources include The New York Times, The Wall Street Journal, the New York Post & The Washington Post.
Juror No. 8 has lived on the Upper East Side for over 40 years & is originally form Lebanon. He is retired from his job in wealth management, is married & has two children. He was previously selected to serve on a jury but the case was settled before trial began. His news sources include The New York Times, The Wall Street Journal, CNBC & the BBC.
Juror No. 9 is a female who has lived on the Upper East Side for three years. She is originally from New Jersey, has a master's degree & has worked as a speech therapist for five years. She is unmarried, has no children & told the court that she does not watch or read any news outlets closely. She does subscribe to a handful of morning email newsletters, such as CNN's 5 Things & The New York Times' The Morning Newsletter. She uses social media but does not get her news from it.
Juror No. 10 has lived in Murray Hill for six years but was born & raised in Ohio. He works at an eyewear company in commerce, holds a college degree & lives with another adult, who is an accountant. He does not closely follow the news but will occasionally read The New York Times.
Juror No. 11 has lived in Upper Manhattan for 15 years & is originally from California. She is not married & has worked as a product development manager for 20 years. She has no children & told the court that she watches late-night news. She also uses Google & reads industry-specific news outlets.
Juror No. 12 is an Upper East Side resident who has lived in Manhattan for 2 1/2 years. She has previously lived in Minnesota, South Carolina & North Carolina & has worked as a physical therapist for 15 years. She holds a doctorate degree in physical therapy, is married & has no children. Her spouse is a coach for a professional sports team & her news sources include The New York Times, USA Today & CNN.
Alternate No. 1 lives in East Midtown. She grew up in England & Hong Kong & is an analyst for an asset manager. She holds a college degree & lives with her boyfriend, who is self-employed. Her news sources include The Wall Street Journal & The New York Times.
Alternate No. 2 is a woman originally from Spain who said she has no strong opinions about former President Trump. The woman said she is not on social media & doesn't watch the news besides skimming through headlines. She said her husband will inform her of the news & that "I don't really go in depth into anything".
Alternate No. 3 is an audio professional who offered to assist Judge Merchan with a microphone that kept cutting out. He expressed his opinion that "Donald Trump is a man, just like I am."
Alternate No. 4 is a woman who said "I have no really strong opinions about President Trump." She is married with two boys that she likes to take to Knicks games & Rubik's Cube speed competitions. She has been a contract specialist for 20 years, currently employed at a publicly traded fintech company.
Alternate No. 5 is originally from Texas & has spent four years in New York. She works in creative operations for a clothing company & ejoys concerts, restaurants & music.
Alternate No. 6 lives on the Upper East Side & is a project manager for a construction company & a mother of three children who "does whatever my kids want me to do in my spare time."
Jurors: 7 men & 5 women / Alternates: 5 women & 1 man
Juror No. 1 is a middle-aged salesman who immigrated to the United States from Ireland. He lives in West Harlem & said he normally gets his news from the New York Times, Daily Mail, Fox News & MSNBC. In his spare time, he said he enjoys doing "anything outdoorsy." He's married & has no children & his spouse is studying in school. He is the Foreperson.
Juror No. 2 The second juror is a Hell's Kitchen resident who works in investment banking. He holds a master's degree in business administration & lives with his wife. Some of his news sources include X (formerly Twitter) & Truth Social & he follows reporting on topics such as Trump, Michael Cohen & the wars in Ukraine & Israel. He also indicated that while he has not read the former president's 1987 book, The Art of the Deal, he has seen quotes.
Juror No. 3 is a corporate attorney who moved to New York from Oregon five years ago. He has worked at two major white-shoe law firms in New York. He said he normally gets his news from The New York Times, Wall Street Journal, and Google. In his spare time, he said he enjoys hiking and running.
Juror No. 4 a male who has lived in the West Village for 15 years, is originally from California. He has worked as a security engineer for 25 years, has some college education & is married to a teacher, with whom he shares two children. He told the court that he is not on social media & previously served on a jury while living on the West Coast, although he was not able to recall the verdict of the case.
Juror No. 5 a resident of Harlem who currently works as an ELA teacheer at a charter school. She previously worked as a caseworker in juvenile delinquency & holds a master's degree in education. She is not married, has no children & told the court that she uses TikTok & Google. She was also not aware that Trump is facing additional criminal charges outside of the Manhattan case. A life-long New Yorker, she currently works as an ELA teacher in a charter school and lives in Harlem. She normally gets her news from Google and TikTok but said that she "doesn't really care for the news."
Juror No. 6 is a software engineer who works for the Walt Disney Company, which is the parent company of ABC News. She grew up in New York City & lives in Chelsea with three roommates. She said she gets her news from The New York Times and TikTok. In her spare time, she said she enjoys plays, restaurants, dancing, & watching TV. She is unmarried, has no kids & lives with three roommates: one who works in consulting, another in fundraising at a nonprofit, and a fellow software engineer.
Juror No. 7 lives on the Upper East Side of Manhattan & is originally from North Carolina. He works in civil litigation & is married to a woman who works in risk management at a bank. They share two children & his news sources include The New York Times, The Wall Street Journal, the New York Post & The Washington Post.
Juror No. 8 has lived on the Upper East Side for over 40 years & is originally form Lebanon. He is retired from his job in wealth management, is married & has two children. He was previously selected to serve on a jury but the case was settled before trial began. His news sources include The New York Times, The Wall Street Journal, CNBC & the BBC.
Juror No. 9 is a female who has lived on the Upper East Side for three years. She is originally from New Jersey, has a master's degree & has worked as a speech therapist for five years. She is unmarried, has no children & told the court that she does not watch or read any news outlets closely. She does subscribe to a handful of morning email newsletters, such as CNN's 5 Things & The New York Times' The Morning Newsletter. She uses social media but does not get her news from it.
Juror No. 10 has lived in Murray Hill for six years but was born & raised in Ohio. He works at an eyewear company in commerce, holds a college degree & lives with another adult, who is an accountant. He does not closely follow the news but will occasionally read The New York Times.
Juror No. 11 has lived in Upper Manhattan for 15 years & is originally from California. She is not married & has worked as a product development manager for 20 years. She has no children & told the court that she watches late-night news. She also uses Google & reads industry-specific news outlets.
Juror No. 12 is an Upper East Side resident who has lived in Manhattan for 2 1/2 years. She has previously lived in Minnesota, South Carolina & North Carolina & has worked as a physical therapist for 15 years. She holds a doctorate degree in physical therapy, is married & has no children. Her spouse is a coach for a professional sports team & her news sources include The New York Times, USA Today & CNN.
Alternate No. 1 lives in East Midtown. She grew up in England & Hong Kong & is an analyst for an asset manager. She holds a college degree & lives with her boyfriend, who is self-employed. Her news sources include The Wall Street Journal & The New York Times.
Alternate No. 2 is a woman originally from Spain who said she has no strong opinions about former President Trump. The woman said she is not on social media & doesn't watch the news besides skimming through headlines. She said her husband will inform her of the news & that "I don't really go in depth into anything".
Alternate No. 3 is an audio professional who offered to assist Judge Merchan with a microphone that kept cutting out. He expressed his opinion that "Donald Trump is a man, just like I am."
Alternate No. 4 is a woman who said "I have no really strong opinions about President Trump." She is married with two boys that she likes to take to Knicks games & Rubik's Cube speed competitions. She has been a contract specialist for 20 years, currently employed at a publicly traded fintech company.
Alternate No. 5 is originally from Texas & has spent four years in New York. She works in creative operations for a clothing company & ejoys concerts, restaurants & music.
Alternate No. 6 lives on the Upper East Side & is a project manager for a construction company & a mother of three children who "does whatever my kids want me to do in my spare time."
Jurors: 7 men & 5 women / Alternates: 5 women & 1 man
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If I were questioned as to whether I could be impartial-- oh boy- Trump would get an earful from me as to what I think of him with a resounding No- I could not be impartial and given just a limited amount of time I would just let him have it-- that said, I would not want to be on that jury--- even if I could be impartial--- i would never feel safe.
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Ladies and gentlemen, there is a jury (and alternates).
"Do you solemnly swear or affirm that you will try the case of The People of the State of New York against Donald J. Trump in a fair and impartial manner and, to the best of your ability, render a true verdict according to the law and evidence? Do you swear or affirm?"They do.
"Do you solemnly swear or affirm that you will try the case of The People of the State of New York against Donald J. Trump in a fair and impartial manner and, to the best of your ability, render a true verdict according to the law and evidence? Do you swear or affirm?"They do.
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I bet Trump is furious that he has to spend time in court rather than campaigning. But if you play with fire, eventually you will get burned. IMO
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Read Max Azzarello manifesto about lighting himself on fire at Trump trial
The man believed to be the person who lit himself on fire outside a Manhattan court wrote a detailed letter beforehand.
www.newsweek.com
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Yikes, that's... a lot.Read Max Azzarello manifesto about lighting himself on fire at Trump trial
The man believed to be the person who lit himself on fire outside a Manhattan court wrote a detailed letter beforehand.
Watching the NYPD presser on CNN, he's still alive, but obviously in critical condition. They're searching for devices, etc... and looking for a car that is linked to him.
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If I was a potential juror, I would say what some have said, too nervous etc.
I believe that if you say anything negative about the defendant, you'll be got back at whether you're on the jury or not.
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Man lights himself on fire in park near the courthouse where Donald Trumps trial is taken place. April 19, 2024
https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/video-clips/4605838-nypd-update-on-self-immolation/amp/
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That is a huge failing in our constitution: that a convicted felon could be elected president
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OK, I simply HAVE to find a way to understand this. And asking people in this forum might be my only chance to do so.
Why is Donald Trump such a big deal that someone chose to set themselves on fire outside a courthouse where he is due to go on trial?
I think of the most polarising political figures I can think of in my country (and only ones non-britons might have actually heard of): Boris Johnson and Nigel Farage (on the right) or Jeremy Corbyn and George Galloway (on the left). No matter how much vitriol there is towards any of the aforementioned political figures there is in our media or general political discourse, I guarantee no-one is going to set fire to themselves because of them!
Why is Trump either so hated. or loved? Can't you just... vote for someone else? Or endorse your candidate in a healthy way that doesn't end up with dead people in the capitol building on January 6th? What is it about this man that drives so many people mad in so many different ways?!
MAKE AMERICA SANE AGAIN!
JMO IMO and all of that
Why is Donald Trump such a big deal that someone chose to set themselves on fire outside a courthouse where he is due to go on trial?
I think of the most polarising political figures I can think of in my country (and only ones non-britons might have actually heard of): Boris Johnson and Nigel Farage (on the right) or Jeremy Corbyn and George Galloway (on the left). No matter how much vitriol there is towards any of the aforementioned political figures there is in our media or general political discourse, I guarantee no-one is going to set fire to themselves because of them!
Why is Trump either so hated. or loved? Can't you just... vote for someone else? Or endorse your candidate in a healthy way that doesn't end up with dead people in the capitol building on January 6th? What is it about this man that drives so many people mad in so many different ways?!
MAKE AMERICA SANE AGAIN!
JMO IMO and all of that
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I wish I could answer your question- I only know this: he has upended our country in ways I could have never imagined. It is beyond comprehension and beyond my understanding.
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I don't want to be the stereotypical patronising British person politely and calmly telling everyone to just "Keep calm and carry on" but it's the only thing I can think to do!
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I think the man who set himself alight doesn't like ANY government.
He is being described as a conspiracy theorist who drove up from Florida. The day before he did this, he was protesting outside the Manhattan Court. His sign reflects displeasure with either leading candidate.
Less than an hour before he set himself on fire he railed against corruption in the US government in a manifesto type document posted on Substack, seen by The Independent.
In it, Mr Azzarello describes himself as an “investigative researcher” and said that the act of self-immolation was “an extreme act of protest” over a “totalitarian con” and warned of an impending “apocalyptic fascist world coup.”
Man who set himself on fire outside Trump trial identified as ‘researcher’ who posted conspiracy-laden manifesto moments earlier
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2 party system. Our system is always like this.
But I don't want to go against TOS and get political.
Trump is going to end up in jail so his time is running out ......
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I think the answer to your very first question is simply because this man was mentally ill.
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I agree. And I think he wanted to get his manifesto out to the masses, which he did. But it didn't make much sense to me.
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I also advise my American friends to make sure they have an up-to-date passport.