NY - LISK Bodies found as of December 10, 2011 Thread #13

[Lilmiss_cantbwrong]

What does Amber's sister look like?

A few weeks ago I had a look at backpage.com to see what sort of adverts working girls placed.

The very first ad that came up was a very pretty girl with blonde hair (I don't understand why they don't hide their faces, but anyway...).

She was in Manhattan according to the ad and it was her vital statistics that grabbed my attention.

She was 4ft 10. I know it has been mentioned that the SK goes after very petite women. I was a bit worried about this girl and wondered if she was trying to bait the killer.

2nd woman from left
http://nymag.com/news/features/long-island-serial-killer-families-2011-6/

 

[LadyL]

What does Amber's sister look like?

A few weeks ago I had a look at backpage.com to see what sort of adverts working girls placed.

The very first ad that came up was a very pretty girl with blonde hair (I don't understand why they don't hide their faces, but anyway...).

She was in Manhattan according to the ad and it was her vital statistics that grabbed my attention.

She was 4ft 10. I know it has been mentioned that the SK goes after very petite women. I was a bit worried about this girl and wondered if she was trying to bait the killer.

[bbm]

how can they hide their faces when they're advertising themselves for sale? I iimagine 'clients' wouldn't call them if they don't know what they look like in advance

 

[WhiteLilly]

[bbm]

how can they hide their faces when they're advertising themselves for sale? I iimagine 'clients' wouldn't call them if they don't know what they look like in advance

When I look on a similar Australian website about 90% of the women have their faces hidden, they just show their bodies and either have their hair covering their face, or don't show face at all.

Usually the guys will choose based on the body.

My friend who is a sex worker has an ad and she doesn't show her face. She is still quite busy. I asked her and she said she will never show her face on the internet for fear of somebody who knows her recognising her.

 

[WhiteLilly]

2nd woman from left
http://nymag.com/news/features/long-island-serial-killer-families-2011-6/

Thanks Lilmiss. That's definitely NOT the young lady in the ad I saw.

 

[Reannan]

I also find it amazing that the girls feel comfortable showing their face.... can you imagine? What a horrifying life. It is interesting that in Australia, they appear to have a heightened awareness of the dangers that are out there. Thanks Whitelilly for the info.

 

[Lilmiss_cantbwrong]

Pertaining to Escort ads with photos...


Some women are very bold and put the photo, face, and all in the ad....
MOST women put a photo in the ad with key things like tattoos, face and distinct body markings usually blacked out, or however they choose to cover it.
Women even go as far as to post fake photos... pictures of women that aren't them. Why they do this, I DK, because this, aside from police being involved, are usually online Johns major concerns, aside from price and meeting location. Many men even request photos other then the ones in the ad to verify the photos in the ad are real. I frankly think posting photos of someone other then you is stupid, isn't essentially wasting you and the johns time if he in turn doesn't want you because your dishonest and probably unattractive which is why you lied to begin with. Just sayin...
I think a safer tactic, is to always ask for a photo of the john as well... and save it to your computer along with any info you can gather about the john, so if you disappear, there is a trail. Very obviously, if the johns photo doesn't match his face, DON'T GO WITH HIM AND GTFO ASAP!
Oh, and the girls who just show bodies, yes, usually they show no faces online. A john will pick a girl he likes from her body type and then request face pics via email or text message.

 

[En Passant]

Also, we need not work under the assumption that the rehab phone call was stupid mistake or blunder. Until we have all heard the 911 call AND learned where JB and SG went during that 15 minute trip within the community, we can't eliminate the possibility that the phone call was a smart, rational, and somewhat calculated move to make. The killer could have made that call to try and regain control of the situation that slipped free of his grip.


"you can't kill me because they will know it's you"
If SG in a last ditch effort to protect herself somehow communicated to her killer that she had informed her family of his identity or address or both, which would be the logical defense mechanism for a victim who knows their attacker, then the call could put him back in control.

There was a good deal of time that she knew someone was trying to kill her and we know that she was able to call 911. So it is likely, in my opinion, that while dealing with her attacker, over the phone or in person, she would use this method to try and defend herself even if she knew she hadn't informed her family. We also have some reasons to believe that the killer may have told SG he was LE, so it would make more sense for her to threaten him with "I told my family who you are" than "I told the police".

We are without a doubt dealing with a predator who thinks a few moves ahead of his prey, but what occurred that night wasn't the typical operation and the scenario slipped out of his control. I believe SG was a very smart and savvy person so much so that she did outwit her attacker to the point that her actions/moves will be responsible for his demise.

TruthSpider, I am grateful for that response, I have felt the same way. I am really confused as to why minimizing what someone who Died did is a bit disrespectful I have thought Shannan was/is extremely brilliant...I just shake my head about how she was mentally ill, how this is not connected to the other victims. We know the SK slips up, He/they really underestimated Shannan. Even being drugged every single move she made was methodically precise IMO. I think that is why JB got MP out of car to get on phone, which methodically created reasonable doubt. I do not believe he worked with JB, he would never impliment himself EVER IMO. He got caught with his hand in the cookie jar. JB hired SG, he trolled he negociated fee, he was the Main Player IMO, than the 15 minute ride was about methodically JB connecting others so they would have his back.....I believe JB evolved from street walkers to CL...but just not the sharpest tool against Shannan G, everyones Hero.......Along with MG, who constantly rows against the tide & accomplishes monumental distances.

I know MG & family are getting to the bottom of it all & people who talk the talk are GONE...because she knows it's ABOUT WALKING THE WALK. Actions are what talks......producing SOMETHING VIABLE...not a 3 ring Circus IMHO

I have also saw comments that were said.......that GC didn't really answer the Door....now it almost was implied that the honest guy may have been scared....????????? He left his wife & went to the gate, how scared was he????? Why was his deck removed & replaced????

 

[En Passant]

I wonder if he possibly used a taser....I bet whoever (JB IMO w/Help from his pal @ the gate) chased shannan may could have....possibly used a taser...because Shannan got away A LOT......he was outwitted, outsmarted, & he was playing chess the whole time....he was under pressure like never before.....except when the BL drugged girl showed up @ a nieghboring community.....they/he freaked than too.......He made many mistakes but since LE does not follow up on girls in the biz they allowed this killer decades IMO of killing. I hope they create a law named after Shannan in reference to a New Systematic approach.......like an Amber Alert....etc

 

[En Passant]

Also, we need not work under the assumption that the rehab phone call was stupid mistake or blunder. Until we have all heard the 911 call AND learned where JB and SG went during that 15 minute trip within the community, we can't eliminate the possibility that the phone call was a smart, rational, and somewhat calculated move to make. The killer could have made that call to try and regain control of the situation that slipped free of his grip.


"you can't kill me because they will know it's you"
If SG in a last ditch effort to protect herself somehow communicated to her killer that she had informed her family of his identity or address or both, which would be the logical defense mechanism for a victim who knows their attacker, then the call could put him back in control.

There was a good deal of time that she knew someone was trying to kill her and we know that she was able to call 911. So it is likely, in my opinion, that while dealing with her attacker, over the phone or in person, she would use this method to try and defend herself even if she knew she hadn't informed her family. We also have some reasons to believe that the killer may have told SG he was LE, so it would make more sense for her to threaten him with "I told my family who you are" than "I told the police".

We are without a doubt dealing with a predator who thinks a few moves ahead of his prey, but what occurred that night wasn't the typical operation and the scenario slipped out of his control. I believe SG was a very smart and savvy person so much so that she did outwit her attacker to the point that her actions/moves will be responsible for his demise.

Has anybody heard about this documentary? It looks to be a production from the UK.

Channel 4
America's Serial Killer
Monday 13 February
http://www.channel4.com/programmes/americas-serial-killer/episode-guide/series-1/episode-1

"In one of the worst serial killings in American history, over just two years police have discovered 11 bodies dumped on an isolated stretch of coastal road in Long Island, New York, leading to a wealthy gated community."

"Four of the dead were sex workers who had advertised online, as part of a rapidly growing internet sex trade worth millions. The killer is still at large."

How do I get channel 4????
Is it a long Island channel???
I am not from the area.....what's the network? pbs, cbs, abc ????

 

[the quiet girl]

TruthSpider, I am grateful for that response, I have felt the same way. I am really confused as to why minimizing what someone who Died did is a bit disrespectful I have thought Shannan was/is extremely brilliant...I just shake my head about how she was mentally ill, how this is not connected to the other victims. We know the SK slips up, He/they really underestimated Shannan. Even being drugged every single move she made was methodically precise IMO. I think that is why JB got MP out of car to get on phone, which methodically created reasonable doubt. I do not believe he worked with JB, he would never impliment himself EVER IMO. He got caught with his hand in the cookie jar. JB hired SG, he trolled he negociated fee, he was the Main Player IMO, than the 15 minute ride was about methodically JB connecting others so they would have his back.....I believe JB evolved from street walkers to CL...but just not the sharpest tool against Shannan G, everyones Hero.......Along with MG, who constantly rows against the tide & accomplishes monumental distances.

I know MG & family are getting to the bottom of it all & people who talk the talk are GONE...because she knows it's ABOUT WALKING THE WALK. Actions are what talks......producing SOMETHING VIABLE...not a 3 ring Circus IMHO

I have also saw comments that were said.......that GC didn't really answer the Door....now it almost was implied that the honest guy may have been scared....????????? He left his wife & went to the gate, how scared was he????? Why was his deck removed & replaced????

a repost about that deck...

If someone has info and claims it as fact I would like to know, otherwise to clarify things they should just let it be know it is their opinion not fact. Keeps things clear and makes this case easier. Doing the opposite does more harm then good. This is what we are all after right, to help?
We all have a common goal and that is justice for those women disguarded by the perp and imo the police/community at OB. So no when someone posts non stop I will and have the right to ask is this true and how? For instance and no offense please but I have not read GC had replaced his deck. That is interesting and not saying it is untrue but where is that info coming from?

 

[Dwntwnslim]

Channel 4 is a British network, if I'm not mistaken. I don't know if there is a website that streams it on the Internet yet. If I find out about how to view the documentary in the states, I will post the information.

 

[WhiteLilly]

I also find it amazing that the girls feel comfortable showing their face.... can you imagine? What a horrifying life. It is interesting that in Australia, they appear to have a heightened awareness of the dangers that are out there. Thanks Whitelilly for the info.

I think one of the big differences here is that it is legal, so sex workers are better protected. IMO of course.

 

[inspctrgadget]

Anyone know what this guy was accused of doing in Suffolk County (why/where he was charged with public lewdness)?

http://www.dnainfo.com/20111116/low...ex-attack-suspect-charged-with-attempted-rape


The reason I ask is because:
"As a result of their reliance on fantasy, and as a result of childhood abuse, the future killer has developed a series of negative personality traits which results in only increased isolation. These traits include a preference for autoerotic activity, aggression, chronic lying, rebelliousness, and a preference for fetish behavior (Ressler, 1988)."
http://www.angelar.com/~jeremy/genesis.html

 

[waltzingmatilda]

Anyone know what this guy was accused of doing in Suffolk County (why/where he was charged with public lewdness)?

http://www.dnainfo.com/20111116/low...ex-attack-suspect-charged-with-attempted-rape


The reason I ask is because:
"As a result of their reliance on fantasy, and as a result of childhood abuse, the future killer has developed a series of negative personality traits which results in only increased isolation. These traits include a preference for autoerotic activity, aggression, chronic lying, rebelliousness, and a preference for fetish behavior (Ressler, 1988)."
http://www.angelar.com/~jeremy/genesis.html

Hmmm....Wonder what kind of laborer he is? IMO, he has mean looking eyes. I always look at the eyes. One can get a sense about a person by looking at their eyes. MOO

wm

 

[PickleChris]

Something to look into a bit. Just want everyone to read and keep in the back of their mind.

http://gothamist.com/2012/02/10/li_police_arrest_man_for_touching_t.php

This also bring to mind a fetish 'club' I know of that you pay a membership fee and you can attend. If your not a member, the door doesn't open. You can only be invited to be a member. Its behind a building and parking cannot be seen from any road. If I know of this one, I would bet there are quite a few on Long Island.

 

[Benji_UK]

Hi everyone. I just watched the Channel 4 documentary here in the UK - fascinating. It includes many interviews with family and friends of the victims.

 

[Lilmiss_cantbwrong]

Hi everyone. I just watched the Channel 4 documentary here in the UK - fascinating. It includes many interviews with family and friends of the victims.

Is there a website or anything that would allow you to link it to us? Thanks!

 

[NoviceSleuth]

As far as i know they did live in the same place since 91.

I could see these gated scumbags chipping in to lower the cost and sharing the services of an escort, house to house etc. But lets be real, they are all Johns except one of them. And the johns need to step forward, your wife will respect you more if you come out and tell the truth in order to convict a woman murdering baby killer, if she cant get over the idea that you patronize prostitutes but will own up in order to stop a subhuman gully creature who dismembers helpless girls, then you need a new wife anyway. There are people in oak beach who know who the sk is, but if they talk they tarnish their own image. Such people are putting their own vanity and reputation above the sanctity of LIFE. So weak, so spineless, they can't even consider themselves men.

Hi - I'm new, so excuse any errors. After reading posts to this site for several days, I decided to join as I have been following this case and am also disappointed in the news coverage and attention this SK case is getting. I used to live on LI as a kid and went to Jones Beach often so I got interested in case at the beginning of its coverage and knew many of the locations mentioned. I seach for any new developments almost everyday but since I am doing this at work it is only when I can. That's why I joined this site and it appears to be timely and unlike many of the others.

I found an interesting website and decided to share - it may be been posted before but I haven't seen it -

oakbeachcivicassociation.com

Also I have been curious about the old Oak Beach Inn - it's gone now, but I read it was a wild place in its day.

 

[scandi]

Hi - I'm new, so excuse any errors. After reading posts to this site for several days, I decided to join as I have been following this case and am also disappointed in the news coverage and attention this SK case is getting. I used to live on LI as a kid and went to Jones Beach often so I got interested in case at the beginning of its coverage and knew many of the locations mentioned. I seach for any new developments almost everyday but since I am doing this at work it is only when I can. That's why I joined this site and it appears to be timely and unlike many of the others.

I found an interesting website and decided to share - it may be been posted before but I haven't seen it -

oakbeachcivicassociation.com

Also I have been curious about the old Oak Beach Inn - it's gone now, but I read it was a wild place in its day.

Hi NoviceSleuth and :wagon: I think I fixed your link, now to go take a peek.

 

[NoviceSleuth]

Thank you!