Identified! NY - Manhattan, 'Midtown Jane Doe', WhtFem 16-21, 337UFNY, under concrete, ring w/ 'P McG', Feb'03 Patricia McGlone

[KJERVIS]

was her clothing checked out further i know they found a tag which gave some clues as to where it was manufactured or a date or something but did they or were they able to figure out where the clothing was sent to like did only certen retailers got those clothes or were they mass merchandised to a lot of retailers

The ILGW was a union of female garment workers. These tags were sewn into clothing manufactured in factories where this union was active. It apparently merged with another garmet union in 1995. From my knowledge of unions (which is very little), being part of this union would be a source of pride for the factory. It would make women want to work there knowing they were protected by the union. I did find that ILGW was active in both the US and Canada. Could it be that this young lady was Canadian and this is why we cant seem to find much on her? This could also be a link to her supposed Irish heritage. Lots of Irish immigrants came through Canada. Downside to this theory is that ILGW birthplace was in NYC and thus having this sewn into her clothing was more than likely because of location. Oh well.

My source for ILGW: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Ladies'_Garment_Workers'_Union
and
http://rmc.library.cornell.edu/EAD/htmldocs/KCL05780.html

edit: fixed hyperlink

 

[smile22]

does anyone have the email of the pd who is in charge of her case id like to send over some questions and hopefully get some answers

 

[Richard]

Unidentified White Female
The victim was discovered on February 10, 2003 in Manhattan, New York City, New York
She was a victim of homicide by strangulation
Skeletal Remains
The time of death occured sometime after 1988

Vital Statistics
Estimated age: 15 - 21 years old. Several of her teeth and bones had not reached full maturity, suggesting she was between 17 and 19 years old.
Approximate Height and Weight: 5'2"
Distinguishing Characteristics: Light-colored hair, possibly red or reddish. Petite build. She wore a size 32 A bra.

Dentals: Available. She had expensive dental work at one point in her life, but her teeth also had severe decay, suggesting she may have been from a family of means but may have fallen on hard times, perhaps getting hooked on drugs, living on the streets or working as a prostitute.

Clothing/Jewelry: She was wearing a gold-colored signet ring inscribed with the initials P McG. Other clues include a brassiere and remains of pantyhose and a standard 1966 Bulova watch.

Other: Possibly of Irish descent. The victim may also have abused drugs, and been a prostitute - scraps of glittery clothing were also recovered at the scene.

Case History

The victim's skeletal remains had been wrapped in a rug and concealed under a layer of relatively fresh concrete, which itself was hidden behind an old coal-burning furnace in the basement of a rundown, mostly abandoned apartment building on West 46th Street in Hell's Kitchen on Manhattan's West Side.

Construction workers using a sledgehammer in the building's basement discovered the remains February 10, 2003.

Police say the building was used by prostitutes and that the basement could be reached from several points inside, as well as through a steel trap door in an adjacent parking lot.

The killer had bound her hands and feet with an extension cord and circled it around her neck, then wrapped her body in a patch of rust-colored carpet.
A 1968 coin was found near her body. An International Ladies Garment Workers tag of a type sewn into clothing in 1988 was recovered with the victim and a plastic toy soldier that could not be exactly dated.

Investigators
If you have any information about this case please contact:
New York City Police
Midtown North Detective Squad
Detective James Gardner
212-473-2042

You may remain anonymous when submitting information.
Agency Case Number: 389
NCIC Number: U-900004399
Please refer to this number when contacting any agency with information regarding this case.

Source Information:
Newsday
New York Post
America's Most Wanted
Doenetwork.org case file 337UFNY

 

[Richard]

A Bone Cold Case
8/13/2004

"Bone Cases"--police say they're the toughest cases to crack. An old murder with few clues. The killer is long gone and the victim's identity lies hidden in cryptic clues.

Police are left with a skeleton and whatever clues they can glean from the crime scene. Investigators don't have the luxury of immediately knowing if the victim had any distinguishing marks such as scars or tattoos. They often don't even know the victim's gender until forensic analysis is done.

Old murders, recently uncovered, that occured years or even decades ago are difficult to solve just by the nature of these circumstances.The New York Police Department took on such a case in February 2003 when a skeleton was found buried in the basement of an apartment building, wrapped in a roll of carpet. Faced with numerous dead-ends, detectives took the only avenue they could. They worked hand-in-hand with forensic scientists at the crime scene to piece together the victim's history. Numerous clues that would often be disregarded by an untrained eye, were brought to light by painstaking scientific research.

Police assume she was a runaway who traveled to New York.
Distinct Clues Could Catch a Killer

A gold-plated ring was found on the victim's right pinky and police say the letters may spell out her initials.

Dental Analysis
From looking at the victim's teeth, forensic scientists determined that she had received good dental care through her teenage years. They assume she lived a middle to upper class lifestyle because a lot of money went into her dental work. They also say she underwent a change in socio-economic status because several of her teeth had started to decay by the time she was killed. From that, police assume she was a runaway who traveled to New York.

The Time of the Crime?
A U.S. dime made in 1969 was found with the body so police knew she wasn't killed before then. Various pieces of plastic were also found and pieced together. Forensics determined it was a plastic bag used to hold a brand of rat poison called Talon. The manufacturers told police that brand wasn't produced until 1979. That still left a window of more than 20 years. Two seals were found with the body, in bad condition but still readable under a microscope. The labels were for the Lady Garment Workers Union. The union told police to look for digits and letters on the labels. From that coding, they were able to positively conclude that the murder couldn't have taken place before December 1987.

The Gold Ring
Police found a gold-plated signet ring on the victim's ring pinky. It had the letters PMCG written on the face. Were those the victim's initials? Detective Gardiner of the NYPD spent weeks on the phone with police agencies across the U.S. He determined there were over 500 missing persons that fit the victim's description with a first name beginning with "P" and a last name beginning with "McG." Det. Gardiner had no luck identifying the victim but he hadn't hit a dead-end yet.Jewelry experts police talked to said the initials could also be read this way: a first name beginning with "P," a middle initial of "G" and a last name beginning with "Mc". That gave Det. Gardiner a whole new set of names.

The Toy Soldier
A small plastic toy soldier was found with the victim. What kind of personal significance did it hold for the victim?

Link:
http://www.amw.com/features/feature_story_detail.cfm?id=145

 

[Masterj]

There is already a thread on this in here.

 

[ihadcabinfever]

http://www.nymissing.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=27

Estimated Age : 15 - 21 yrs.
Race: Caucasian
Estimated Height: 4'10" - 5'4"
Estimated Weight: Petite
Hair Color: unknown
Eye Color: unknown
Date of Death: sometime after 1979
Cause of Death: Homicide
Fingerprints: unknown
DNA: unknown

Dentals: She had expensive dental work at one point in her life, but her teeth also had severe decay.

Clothing Description: gold-colored ring inscribed with the initials P McG; brassiere,size 32 A; remains of pantyhose; standard 1966 Bulova watch




http://www.colliersheriff.org/news/missing/detail.asp?key=40
Missing Person - Patricia McGill (Missing Adult)
Missing Since: 5/15/1983 Case # 83-22126
Last Seen: Naples, Florida ( Collier County)
Race: W Sex: F Age at disappearance: 42
Hair: Red/Brown Eyes: Hazel HGT: 506 WGT: 150
Last Address: 11th Street SW
Scars, Marks & Tattoos: Silver ring with an emerald
Occupation: Secretary
Details:

Patricia was last seen on 05/15/1983(age 42) at a Site gas station in the northern part of Collier County on US 41. Her car was located in Golden Gate City where she had rented a room with all of her personal belonging's left behind. No one has seen or heard from her since that time.

Anyone with information on the whereabouts' of Patricia is ask to contact the Collier County Sheriff's Office.

 

[SewingDeb]

There is some resemblance but there is a huge age and size discrepancy.

 

[2sisters]

I think they are similar but I watched a TV show about the PMcg girl and they said without a doubt her murder tool place between 1967? and 1970 something b/c of a rat ploison found around her body, i am sketchy on it.ETA- this talks about the time period.
"The victim's skeletal remains were found inside a cement coffin, hidden behind a boiler in the basement of a rundown building on West 46th Street in Hell's Kitchen. Construction workers using a sledgehammer in the building's basement discovered the remains February 10, 2003. A 1968 coin was found near her body, but detectives believe she was not killed before 1979 because traces of a rat poison not manufactured before that year also were found at the scene.
Her dental health suggests she may have been from a family of means but may have fallen on hard times, perhaps getting hooked on drugs, living on the streets or working as a prostitute. "

 

[Beyond Belief]

None of the possessions sound right for a girl that age. I am wondering if those things belonged to maybe her mother. Its strange to hold on to a watch and ring if your in need. i would think they would have been pawned. I am just thinking maybe they belonged to her mother, who may have passed away leaving her homeless.

 

[Richard]

Here is a recent Doenetwork Case File and Link:

--------------------------------
Unidentified White Female

The victim was discovered on February 10, 2003 in Manhattan, New York City, New York
She was a victim of homicide by strangulation
Skeletal Remains
The time of death occured sometime after 1988

Vital Statistics

Estimated age: 15 - 21 years old. Several of her teeth and bones had not reached full maturity, suggesting she was between 17 and 19 years old.
Approximate Height and Weight: 5'2"
Distinguishing Characteristics: Light-colored hair, possibly red or reddish. Petite build. She wore a size 32 A bra.
Dentals: Available. She had expensive dental work at one point in her life, but her teeth also had severe decay, suggesting she may have been from a family of means but may have fallen on hard times, perhaps getting hooked on drugs, living on the streets or working as a prostitute.
Clothing/Jewelry: She was wearing a gold-colored signet ring inscribed with the initials P McG. Other clues include a brassiere and remains of pantyhose and a standard 1966 Bulova watch.
Other: Possibly of Irish descent. The victim may also have abused drugs, and been a prostitute - scraps of glittery clothing were also recovered at the scene.

See link for photo of Signet Ring, Tag in Clothing, and Composite sketch of victim.

Case History
The victim's skeletal remains had been wrapped in a rug and concealed under a layer of relatively fresh concrete, which itself was hidden behind an old coal-burning furnace in the basement of a rundown, mostly abandoned apartment building on West 46th Street in Hell's Kitchen on Manhattan's West Side.

Construction workers using a sledgehammer in the building's basement discovered the remains February 10, 2003.

Police say the building was used by prostitutes and that the basement could be reached from several points inside, as well as through a steel trap door in an adjacent parking lot.

The killer had bound her hands and feet with an extension cord and circled it around her neck, then wrapped her body in a patch of rust-colored carpet.

A 1968 coin was found near her body. An International Ladies Garment Workers tag of a type sewn into clothing in 1988 was recovered with the victim and a plastic toy soldier that could not be exactly dated.

Investigators
If you have any information about this case please contact:
New York City Police
Midtown North Detective Squad
Detective James Gardner
212-473-2042

You may remain anonymous when submitting information.

Agency Case Number: 389
NCIC Number: U-900004399
Please refer to this number when contacting any agency with information regarding this case.

Source Information:
Newsday
New York Post
America's Most Wanted
The Doe Network: Case File 337UFNY


LINK:
http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/337ufny.html

 

[Richard]

Here is the Doenetwork file on Patricia. Note that she was reported to be wearing a Silver Ring with an emerald when she disappeared. It is more likely that she was murdered somewhere in Florida, than in New York. Is it possible, however, that she might have had a signet ring that was given at some point to the Hell's Kitchen Jane Doe?

Investigators believe that the Jane Doe was killed some time after 1988 - 5 years after Patricia's disappearance. Patricia would have been over 47 years old at the time of the Jane Doe's death.
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Patricia McGill
Missing since May 15, 1983 from Naples, Collier County, Florida
Classification: Missing

Vital Statistics
Date Of Birth: June 6, 1941
Age at Time of Disappearance: 42 years old
Height and Weight at Time of Disappearance: 5'6"; 150 lbs.
Distinguishing Characteristics: White female. Red/brown hair; hazel eyes.
Jewelry: Silver ring with an emerald

Circumstances of Disappearance
Patricia was last seen on May 15, 1983 at a Site gas station in the northern part of Collier County on US 41. Her car was located in Golden Gate City where she had rented a room with all of her personal belonging's left behind. No one has seen or heard from her since that time.

Investigators
If you have any information concerning this case, please contact:
Collier County Sheriff's Office 941-793-9300

Agency Case Number: 83-22126

Source Information:
Collier County Sheriff's Office
The Doe Network: Case File 1752DFFL


LINK:
http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/1752dffl.html

 

[outofthedark]

Why would Nymissing.com report Jane Doe as having died after 1979, when found evidence clearly states after 1988 because of a piece of product packaging dated 1988+ being found with her remains

 

[ihadcabinfever]

Here is the Doenetwork file on Patricia. Note that she was reported to be wearing a Silver Ring with an emerald when she disappeared. It is more likely that she was murdered somewhere in Florida, than in New York. Is it possible, however, that she might have had a signet ring that was given at some point to the Hell's Kitchen Jane Doe?

Investigators believe that the Jane Doe was killed some time after 1988 - 5 years after Patricia's disappearance. Patricia would have been over 47 years old at the time of the Jane Doe's death.
-----------------------------------
Patricia McGill
Missing since May 15, 1983 from Naples, Collier County, Florida
Classification: Missing

Vital Statistics
Date Of Birth: June 6, 1941
Age at Time of Disappearance: 42 years old
Height and Weight at Time of Disappearance: 5'6"; 150 lbs.
Distinguishing Characteristics: White female. Red/brown hair; hazel eyes.
Jewelry: Silver ring with an emerald

Circumstances of Disappearance
Patricia was last seen on May 15, 1983 at a Site gas station in the northern part of Collier County on US 41. Her car was located in Golden Gate City where she had rented a room with all of her personal belonging's left behind. No one has seen or heard from her since that time.

Investigators
If you have any information concerning this case, please contact:
Collier County Sheriff's Office 941-793-9300

Agency Case Number: 83-22126

Source Information:
Collier County Sheriff's Office
The Doe Network: Case File 1752DFFL


LINK:
http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/1752dffl.html

Note that she was reported to be wearing a Silver Ring with an emerald.
This was probably the most expensive piece of jewelry. I wonder if it was her at all at the motel.

I wonder who reported her missing? Weird, last seen at the gas station ? then her car is found where she was staying with all her belongings left behind.
A secretary staying at a motel? hmmm.... Also says her birthday is June an Emarald is May's birthstone.Just thought I'd throw that in there.



Patricia was last seen on 05/15/1983(age 42) at a Site gas station in the northern part of Collier County on US 41. Her car was located in Golden Gate City where she had rented a room with all of her personal belonging's left behind. No one has seen or heard from her since that time

 

[ihadcabinfever]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_by_name:_Mcg-Mcz

some more names

McGafney - Co. Cavan
McGargan - Co. Cavan
McGarrahan - Co. Fermanagh
McGarry - Co. Mayo
McGauran - Co. Cavan
McGavan - Cos. Longford & Mayo
McGeoghegan - Co. Westmeath
McGeraghty - Cos. Mayo & Sligo
McGettigan - Co. Donegal
McGibbon - Co. Mayo
McGilbride - Co. Donegal
McGilduff - Co. Galway
McGilduist - Co. Longford
McGilfoye - Co. Tipperary
McGillicuddy - Co. Kerry
McGilligan - Cos. Derry & Longford
McGillikelly - Co. Galway
McGilmartin - Co. Leitrim
McGilmichael - Co. Monaghan
McGilmore - Co. Down
McGilpatrick - Co. Laois
McGilroy - Co. Monaghan
McGinnis - Co. Down
McGinty - Co. Donegal
McGloin - Co. Leitrim
McGolrick - Co. Tyrone
McGonigal - Co. Donegal
McGourty - Co. Leitrim
McGowan - Cos. Donegal, Down & Leitrim
McGrane - Co. Meath
McGreal - Co. Mayo
McGreevy - Co. Antrim
McGuire - Co. Fermanagh

 

[kylie]

Both Patricia and the Jane Doe were killed by the same person...first Patricia was killed and her things taken then somehow the killer befriended the Jane Doe and gave her the ring before killing her........what do you think? A serial killer.............

 

[ihadcabinfever]

http://64.233.187.104/search?q=cach...id=145+initials+PMcG&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=3

The Gold Ring

Police found a gold-plated signet ring on the victim's ring pinky. It had the letters PMCG written on the face. Were those the victim's initials? Detective Gardiner of the NYPD spent weeks on the phone with police agencies across the U.S.

He determined there were over 500 missing persons that fit the victim's description with a first name beginning with "P" and a last name beginning with "McG." Det. Gardiner had no luck identifying the victim but he hadn't hit a dead-end yet.

Jewelry experts police talked to said the initials could also be read this way: a first name beginning with "P," a middle initial of "G" and a last name beginning with "Mc". That gave Det. Gardiner a whole new set of names.

The Toy Soldier

A small plastic toy soldier was found with the victim. What kind of personal significance did it hold for the victim

My mother had ordered sweaters for Christmas with monogramed initials on them , She had the last name inital in the middle. I still wouldnt wear it for obviuos reasons. :laugh: (FGA) my friend wore it lolol

 

[ihadcabinfever]

or the initial could be P first name Mc middle name G last name.

Something like Patricia Mcwhatever

Thats definatley a puzzle.

 

[Beyond Belief]

Do they make school rings like that? Could that initial ring be a sorority or club ring of some kind?

 

[kylie]

The soldier could have been placed there by the killer....it may have significance for the killer, not the victim

 

[HollywoodBound]

It's interesting the unidentified victim has a '66 watch and a '68 coin near her body. There is a bra listed and the remains of pantyhose, and then a tag recovered with the body, it doesn't say what the tag was on, and no other clothing is listed. I find it odd the girl would have such an old watch, and then just happen to have a coin from around the same time. A possibilty is the body has been somewhere near the area it was found in since around '68 and then maybe moved to a different area and concrete poured over. At that time a bra was near the remains, and a toy soldier which also is not something that would appear to belong to this victim. Perhaps these items were present for other reasons when the concrete is poured. All of this would be virtually impossible if the extension cord can be dated to the 80's. Also, I wonder if they can get an approximate date on the toy soldier. I wonder if it's from the 60's?