OH - Pike County: 8 people from one family dead as police hunt for killer(s) #17

[winterrose]

I don't think it's really that odd in small town Appalachia that people are not talking about it. They are probably talking about plenty within their homes and to their own families. Just minding their own out in public.

That's what I think, they're afraid to talk. I know here we have a big gang problem, they're shooting each other. So many locals are on FB saying things, some even mocking, I don't say a word. I sure don't want a driveby shooting into my house, I think they're nuts! On Fb you have your name and face out there. SMH Obviously the locals in Pike County know better, because so many know one another and know where each other live. Eight family members murdered in their sleep is something to worry about since noone's been caught.

 

[winterrose]

I am surprised there's been no leaks, though.

 

[Sojourn]

MOO

Faded on this story! Has anyone ever seen a big headline crime wherein the story vanishes and has no followup? Pretty close to "instantly".

How come we have not gotten (when 8 people gone) any human interest angles.When a terrorist attack happens, a plane crashes, or a mass shooting happens we are inudated with folks who love the deceased tell everyone how wonderful they were? It was 8 people- lets pick a smalll number, and say everyone knows at least 6 people, the media has not been able to find anyone willing to share a memory of the deceased?

To do so means "talking"......................Somehow, someway an entire community knows not to - IMO that speaks volumes. People who commit murder often "run" or leave.Yet, a community somehow knows; better shut up?

Out of our cast of characters , who are all dead, , and can not kill anyone else, meaning that the perps of this crime are still around, people in the area know it, and that the perps are capable of a rerun should it be necc. Some threat remains in the area.

Anyone ever seen a big crime where there are 100's of folks attmepting to find the perp and there has been no leaks whatsoever?

52 special agents/analysts/investigators; 17 workers from the state evidence labs; 11 command staff/supervisors; four support staff members; three special prosecutors; and a victim's advocate.As many as 20 state personnel remain in Pike County on any given . 576 deputies and 35 other sheriffs from 56 of Ohio's 88 counties, not including his own........He also had help from state troopers, two teams from the nearby Southern Ohio Correctional Facility at Lucasville, and police officers from Piketon, Waverly and beyond.In addition, the state fire marshal’s office

Not one leak? Breathtaking.......................utterly astounding.....................

Zero zip, nada, zero iotas(!) From anywhere. Anytime, Any place.

What would make people so afraid to speak? IMO, knowing who did it, knowing they will not be arrested, and can do it again if needed.

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How many crime scenes has anyone seen relocated? Poof.

That Making of a Murderer dude had lots of cars, were any of them taken?

Here is a link of junkyard murders- nothing was towed, much less 100's.

https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=murders+at+junk+yards+

It makes no sense whatsover. Can you imagine how many homes would be gone if every location of a murder was placed under guard! I think it would be fair to "guess" that people have been killed before, that have a lot of cars - anyone ever heard of a total tow? All behavior has meaning IMO.

Goodness, look at all the evidence, and nothing........there is more going on on cases that have nothing. If the notion here is evidence is going to result in something happening, and there are thousands of things called "evidence" - the silence becomes more telling.

I suppose if the leader of a country were assignated , or brutally murdered, stuff might be taken for evaluation.

How come it appears that any investigative entity out of Ohio has remained not invited to the party?

What reason would there be not to get the most help possible?

Come on --- the data is here -- I just think its difficult for folks to accept .

IMO, not harming the children means they have some .

There is a reason IMO, Bobby Jo is remaining so quiet, same for Manny.. In the beginning he attempted to threaten LE that he would spill the beans if they did not quit( it was something with some trucks, in the beginning)..

Silent. Why? Total fear of dying or someone that he/she cares about being killed .

If 8 people you cared about were brutlally murdered what could keep you silent?

FEAR is the only answer IMO. Which can only result in one conclusion - that danger remains. No-one fled to another location and/or got away.

Why has no crime line been set up for annonmous tips?

Why hasn't anyone started one on their own. Manny Bjo?
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How much can it cost $17 a month? You need a line and a homoapian to answer and say "tip line" ! Its not like everyone is busy.


The old crime adage that the more time that passes the less liklihood of solving a murder has been proven time and time again. It is a statistic.


Where is the public outcry from folks in the community about no new informration?


All of us here are true crime lovers, and we all know that some forensics results occur in a month and a half.

Ask oneself, what could, would, have the power for all the above to have occurred, not occur and/or continue to be the case 6 weeks later.

The answer is right in front of us...................................

PS:! When I decided to "check in" I was blown away at how active the thread still was! I think it would be fair to say that WS, is a pretty fair indicator of the intnesity of news stories. Big news = big threads. Obviously a lot of us found this story horrid. WIth the abovementioned notions, how come typical people like us-- find this story bothersome, but the media and officials have just split?

http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2016/05/29/pike-county-lookback.html#

Very well exspained and said. I've had the same feeling - something is definetly wrong here.....thank you.

 

[Estella]

Talking amongst themselves like that I understand, but it does nothing to help the case get solved.

Are they keeping quiet because they know it won't do any good? Or because it will break a code? Or because they're afraid of being next?

I have heard about a million conversations in group therapy settings among addicts about being turned in that are, to put it lightly, not nice. It can be years out and the grudge will hold, no matter how mild the consequences might have been. Drug busts have gotten quite sophisticated, and I have even spoken to a few people who got to hear their own voice on tape.

On the flip side....sometimes they'll offer a better deal for a small fish to catch a bigger one, and the small fish will turn so fast their heads spin. Regardless, it is HIGHLY frowned upon. Personally, if I lived in that town and still been involved in drugs...and knew someone had been murdered over them...I can't tell you what I would do, especially if I was still seeking the very thing that caused it in the first place. It's a double edged sword. Your conscience might be eating you alive, but you have a completely other drive to contend with. I know it sounds totally illogical and immoral...because it is. You'd be dealing with addiction...with a healthy dose of guilt and fear thrown in the mix. I honestly can't explain it any better than that. I imagine you would be at war with yourself if you knew something. It would be awful!

Plus...small towns are gossip-fests. I have no doubt it is a hot topic in just about every household in that county. Folks in the family and close friends probably have a better idea at who LE should be pointing fingers at, and I am hoping they're not holding anything back because they're afraid of revealing a knowledge of something illegal going on. Self preservation is a pretty strong motivator all by itself to keep secrets.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

I just cannot shake the feeling that there is some kind of money involved. Thirty grand in cash to put down on a house is just a little more than you could (as my granny would say)-shake a stick at. This is not to mention the various other expenses he had, and the withdraw of funds from an ATM for his auction cars. One thing I always wondered about his ATM withdraws (per the guy who went with him sometimes to keep him company)...can you actually withdraw enough from an ATM to buy a car at auction? I mean, mine has a pretty sturdy cap on the amount I can actually pull out that way, anything above that and I have to actually enter the bank and withdraw it in person. I know you can change the limits a bit, but can you change them THAT much?

Money wise, I feel like there is more of it...somewhere. If so, it has to be kept somewhere, right? Could he have spread it out at different homes to keep it safe? That way, if someone broke into home A, he'd still have money left at homes B, C and D and wouldn't lose it all in one foul swoop.

Could he have laundered it through his businesses and used phony invoices to cover his butt? Or, could he have given it in increments under 10 grand to each of the family members to deposit at different times into their own accounts? Anything under 10,000 dollars doesn't have to be reported to the IRS by the bank. A lot of laundering schemes work this way. The people who make the deposits are called "smurfs." For instance, lets say someone gives me 20,000 dollars. On Monday, I could deposit 5,000. Tuesday, 5,000 more...and so on...until I had the full amount safely tucked away into my bank account. Once put in, it can be pulled out "clean" and spent freely.

I truly feel like there is some money involved, and where there is money, there is greed, envy...and if done wrong, plenty of revenge to go around.

If you deposit over 3000.00 in one business day (24 hours) it sends up a red flag, if you deposit over 5000.00 in one business day they begin tracking you, if you deposit over 10000.00 it is reported to the IRS. That is in one business day (24 hours.) On the form submitted to the IRS you must list the source for the cash money (i.e. sale of property, gambling ect.)

 

[Obiwankenobi]

I don't think it's really that odd in small town Appalachia that people are not talking about it. They are probably talking about plenty within their homes and to their own families. Just minding their own out in public.

Agreed. Furthermore, just bc they aren't talking to media doesn't mean they aren't cooperating with LE. Some of the media have not been too kind. I believe LE already knows the perps bc of lack of info being public. If they suspected the perps had already fled, they'd do more pleading with the public all over the U. S. IMO.

 

[Wdubbs]

Can someone tell me would le have their cellphones?

 

[cujenn81]

MOO

How many crime scenes has anyone seen relocated? Poof.

That Making of a Murderer dude had lots of cars, were any of them taken?

Here is a link of junkyard murders- nothing was towed, much less 100's.

https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=murders+at+junk+yards+

It makes no sense whatsover. Can you imagine how many homes would be gone if every location of a murder was placed under guard! I think it would be fair to "guess" that people have been killed before, that have a lot of cars - anyone ever heard of a total tow? All behavior has meaning IMO.

http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2016/05/29/pike-county-lookback.html#

Snipped by me for brevity...

I agree 100%. The lack of media coverage (aside from the few local news outlets) confuses me. But I guess it's hard to report the news when there isn't any news to report.

With that said, I've found the investigative procedures in this case to be completely and utterly strange... starting the minute that LE decided to uproot their homes and haul them down to a warehouse. I've never in my life heard of such a thing. No one else seemed to think it was odd though, so I figured it was just me.

 

[Caylee Advocate]

I don't think it's really that odd in small town Appalachia that people are not talking about it. They are probably talking about plenty within their homes and to their own families. Just minding their own out in public.

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Oh they are talking, just a little more hushed if "strangers" get too close. You'll get the occasional stink eye or shhh if someone gets within earshot. For instance, I ran into someone in a small store yesterday and we went outside to talk. All I will say is... patience.

 

[CARIIS]

That was the only thing that was right on the money when I had my oldest! He was induced right on my due date! However, I was induced because my blood pressure was making me toxic...and I developed some seriously unattractive cankles and my face looked like Rocky after he'd fought that Russian guy! It appears she was released at a relatively normal time afterwards (C-sections have to stay a tad bit longer) and her baby was nice and healthy...so maybe that is what happened. My BP went back down to normal the next day after I delivered and I was released in a normal amount of time.

Sadly, about a year later I was on blood pressure pills because I developed the blood pressure of a very anxious old man. Still on them to this day! Thank you, genetics!

Funneeeeeee

 

[OsoTejano]

I am surprised there's been no leaks, though.

I think that no leaks from LE reflects on the professionalism of everyone involved in this investigation. As for the folks that may have been interviewed in the investigation, most all probably want this solved and successfully prosecuted and are respecting LE's requests to not talk about it to the media.


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[Estella]

If you deposit over 3000.00 in one business day (24 hours) it sends up a red flag, if you deposit over 5000.00 in one business day they begin tracking you, if you deposit over 10000.00 it is reported to the IRS. That is in one business day (24 hours.) On the form submitted to the IRS you must list the source for the cash money (i.e. sale of property, gambling ect.)

Possibly the sale of a car?

For instance, I sell a used car for 1,000.00 to Joe Blow. Joe Blow gives me that 1,000 in cash, but Joe and I have worked out that I will write that I sold that car to him for 15,000.00 cash. Could I then take the 15,000.00 in cash that I made illegally to the bank and deposit it and report it using the phony receipt from the car sale without sending up any red flags?

Or, if I have ten people and give them all 1000.00 a piece to deposit into a bank account, then withdraw it a few days later, would that send up any red flags?

I guess I've misunderstood my Money Laundering 101!

 

[winterrose]

I think that no leaks from LE reflects on the professionalism of everyone involved in this investigation. As for the folks that may have been interviewed in the investigation, most all probably want this solved and successfully prosecuted and are respecting LE's requests to not talk about it to the media.

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I was actually thinking more along the lines of commenters on articles that know something, but afraid to use their name. Even family members or friends on sm from Pike County to Ky. I usually get more info from that than the media articles, not that I can post it, but not even getting that.

 

[The OG]

SIR: Does anyone know what BJM says at the very very beginning of the 911 call, right before the operator answers?

 

[rsd1200]

Talking amongst themselves like that I understand, but it does nothing to help the case get solved.

Are they keeping quiet because they know it won't do any good? Or because it will break a code? Or because they're afraid of being next?

It's kind of the just the way it is. People kind of mind their own business. It's not necessarily a code but I don't know how to explain it. It's kind of like it's for their family to work through w/LE and on their own. They'll give them their sympathy and probably help them if needed. They don't trust "outsiders" and the cops have proven to be on the corrupt side from what I've gathered so that doesn't help either.

 

[Obiwankenobi]

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Oh they are talking, just a little more hushed if "strangers" get too close. You'll get the occasional stink eye or shhh if someone gets within earshot. For instance, I ran into someone in a small store yesterday and we went outside to talk. All I will say is... patience.

I always appreciate you're input being a local! You never talk down about the town or the victims! It's easy for outsiders such as myself to speculate on all scenarios. Personally, I feel that not only does this family, friends and town need closure, but the victims need to be able to rest peacefully! Everyone here obviously has a special interest in the case. I believe we all want to know why and how. I am not sure why this particular case has my attention, I NEVER watch news, it's too depressing! But this case has me held captive since 4/22! I feel for the victims, family and friends!

 

[Estella]

Possibly the sale of a car?

For instance, I sell a used car for 1,000.00 to Joe Blow. Joe Blow gives me that 1,000 in cash, but Joe and I have worked out that I will write that I sold that car to him for 15,000.00 cash. Could I then take the 15,000.00 in cash that I made illegally to the bank and deposit it and report it using the phony receipt from the car sale without sending up any red flags?

Or, if I have ten people and give them all 1000.00 a piece to deposit into a bank account, then withdraw it a few days later, would that send up any red flags?

I guess I've misunderstood my Money Laundering 101!

I just wanted to add to my own thought here really quick if anyone can answer these. I have never outright sold a car, only traded them in, so I'm not sure how the receipts would work? Anyone have any idea how you handle these kinds of sales?

Also, could I sell them to a used car lot possibly in the same manner as above? I'm fixing up a car and giving it to them for cheap, but they're allowing me to invoice them for thousands of dollars for this sale...and they get all of the proceeds from the sale of the car. Is this possible?

 

[bluesneakers]

It's kind of the just the way it is. People kind of mind their own business. It's not necessarily a code but I don't know how to explain it. It's kind of like it's for their family to work through w/LE and on their own. They'll give them their sympathy and probably help them if needed. They don't trust "outsiders" and the cops have proven to be on the corrupt side from what I've gathered so that doesn't help either.

Yes. I think they're right to be distrustful and afraid for good reason.

 

[Mmaaix]

I think I read on her FB before it changed that she was induced. Her post birth pictures definitely look like she pushed. [emoji15]

Due dates are like meterologists-very often not right! Studies suggest babies are born on their EDD only 5 percent of the time. I don't think HR's baby is alive because she was earlier; I think the entire thing was planned around her birth.

I also read somewhere her 1st born was a section and not always but the majority of the time the following births will be a csection also. That's why I said that even if it was an induction it was scheduled, in enough time to notify who she chose too


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[musicaljoke]

Can someone tell me would le have their cellphones?

Welcome, Wdubbs! Would LE have whose cellphones?