OK OK - Molly Miller, 17, & Colt Haynes, 21, Wilson, 7 July 2013 - #1

[McSpy]

The whole phone calls thing has bothered me from the beginning. She called 911 that night so she obviously knew something was wrong (wreck, danger, etc), but when she called the friend the next morning, she acted like nothing was wrong???

Colt supposedly called friends and said his ankle was broken with a bone sticking out and he was bleeding from his nose. Yet, when Molly called the 6:00 am friend she failed to mention that Colt was hurt???

And I still can't think of a single reason that anybody (CN??) would make calls or texts from either Colt or Molly's phone other than maybe he wanted it to look like they were alive and well after the accident. But, why, say Colt was hurt?

IMO, Colt made those calls. Besides, his friends would recognize his voice.

Maybe Molly wasn't that close to the guy she called, who was on his way to work, but felt more comfortable crying on the other call. People behave differently with different people. She could have felt a little awkward asking him for the favor, but with the other friend, she felt she could let go with her feelings.

It is unfortunate that she didn't call a family member. She probably didn't want to get into trouble, because they would have questioned why she was way out in the boondocks of Love County.

JMO

 

[McSpy]

That's one thing I don't understand! Molly didn't call her brother, and Colt didn't call his sister, that we know of.

Maybe Colt's sister didn't like the direction he was taking his life. It seems he was getting involved with drugs and getting in trouble. So possibly he was avoiding the option of calling her. IMO, most of the time kids don't call certain people, because they don't want to hear any lectures or they don't want to disappoint the person (they screwed up). We also don't know their transportation situation too. Maybe they don't have access to a vehicle or they live further away.

Just some thoughts (could be way off base) . . No facts

 

[OkieGranny]

Possible theories so far: Anybody have any others to add?

1-They are still hiding out somewhere and afraid to come forward because of fear of getting in trouble

2- Lost in woods and died of exposure and no food and water

3-They never made it past the wreck site and died there (either from injuries or some sort of fight/altercation or some combination of the two)

4-The 2 of them ran off from the wreck site and someone began to get afraid of what they may tell LE, so they pursued them to stop them from leaving the area (or 1 ran off and was pursued, and 1 died from injuries).

5-LE never did call of the car chase and found them right after the wreck and some altercation caused their demise

6-LE did call off the car chase, but was still patrolling the area looking for them and finally found them and some altercation caused their demise.


ETA: I numbered them so we can have for future reference the number of the theory.

With Theory #2 in mind, I spent some time on Google Earth examining every bit of the land between Pike and Long Hollow.

One news article I read this week mentioned that The Property That Cannot Be Searched covers 60 acres, and that made me start thinking about the other properties on those two roads and how they are probably of a similar size. You don't buy a postage-stamp-sized lot out in the boonies like you do in the suburbs; you want an acreage, enough land to raise some cattle and keep a few horses, maybe grow some crops, and so you'd clear a large portion of the land to make it suitable for your purposes. Or, more likely, the generations of families who lived on that land before you did the clearing.

Anyway, I found each driveway and followed it up to each residence and then looked for the fencelines surrounding each property, which are often made obvious by the straight lines marking boundaries between cleared land and wooded areas. Once I started looking at it that way, I realized that there are lots of open spaces in the area between the two roads. Lots and lots of cleared land interspersed with wooded areas.

And as dense as those wooded areas may be, none of them are very large. It's hard to find any wooded area between Pike and Long Hollow more than 1000 feet wide without a road or a trail to follow running right through it. There are a few, off the end of Long Hollow to the east and west, but they aren't that much bigger. Plenty of places to hide a body or two, but an able-bodied person wouldn't stay lost very long in any of them if they just kept moving.

A different story, of course, if a person had just been injured in a car wreck or in some kind of altercation afterward.

The only wooded area I could find nearby that looks like a place someone might get hopelessly lost is the one running south from Oswalt on the east side of Long Hollow; it's maybe a mile long and half a mile wide. Surely it's been searched already but if it hasn't, it needs to be.

 

[OkieGranny]

Thinking about Colt's injuries. As far as we know, he had a compound fracture of the ankle. It sounds like he had a broken tibia or fibula, or both. Could have happened in the wreck, or maybe he stepped into a hole while trying to run from the scene afterward, or something like that.

But the coughing up of blood, what kind of injury would cause that? It would have to come from either his lungs or his stomach, wouldn't it? Maybe his mouth or throat, but he apparently wasn't spitting blood, he was coughing it up. I started thinking maybe he broke a rib that punctured his lung, so I went looking and found that a lung doesn't have to be punctured to bleed.

Pulmonary contusion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A pulmonary contusion will also cause someone to cough up blood, and it is an injury that commonly occurs in car accidents. It's caused by blunt trauma to the chest, resulting in broken capillaries that bleed into the lung tissue. In other words, it's a bruise.

Still, it could have been a laceration, and you can read about that here:

Pulmonary laceration - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Also, a broken nose can cause you to swallow blood that you might then cough up, so that's a possibility as well. Or a torn esophagus:

https://www.healthtap.com/user_ques...t-a-torn-esophagus-or-worse-in-a-car-accident

But that sounds quite a bit more serious and doesn't seem to be the case with Colt, if he was talking to people on the phone for some period of time after the wreck. And anything south of the diaphragm seems like it would be too catastrophic to allow him to do that.

I'm going to take a wild leap here and guess that Colt was in the front passenger seat and Molly was in the back seat during the car chase. Were they wearing seatbelts? I also drive a Honda and there are sensors in the seats; if a passenger is detected, there's a very annoying chime that sounds until everyone is buckled in. Of course, this detection system can be bypassed, if you know how, or maybe if you have music blasting you might not notice it. Otherwise, you would buckle up just to get that godawful noise to stop.

I'm leaning toward thinking Colt had either a lung contusion or laceration, caused by the speeding car coming to a sudden stop, either from the seatbelt across his chest or from his chest hitting the dashboard if he didn't have the seatbelt buckled. He would have been able to survive either type of injury, but he definitely needed medical attention ASAP.

 

[McSpy]

Thinking about Colt's injuries. As far as we know, he had a compound fracture of the ankle. It sounds like he had a broken tibia or fibula, or both. Could have happened in the wreck, or maybe he stepped into a hole while trying to run from the scene afterward, or something like that.

But the coughing up of blood, what kind of injury would cause that? It would have to come from either his lungs or his stomach, wouldn't it? Maybe his mouth or throat, but he apparently wasn't spitting blood, he was coughing it up. I started thinking maybe he broke a rib that punctured his lung, so I went looking and found that a lung doesn't have to be punctured to bleed.

Pulmonary contusion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A pulmonary contusion will also cause someone to cough up blood, and it is an injury that commonly occurs in car accidents. It's caused by blunt trauma to the chest, resulting in broken capillaries that bleed into the lung tissue. In other words, it's a bruise.

Still, it could have been a laceration, and you can read about that here:

Pulmonary laceration - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Also, a broken nose can cause you to swallow blood that you might then cough up, so that's a possibility as well. Or a torn esophagus:

https://www.healthtap.com/user_questions/202295-can-you-get-a-torn-esophagus-or-worse-in-a-car-accident

But that sounds quite a bit more serious and doesn't seem to be the case with Colt, if he was talking to people on the phone for some period of time after the wreck. And anything south of the diaphragm seems like it would be too catastrophic to allow him to do that.

I'm going to take a wild leap here and guess that Colt was in the front passenger seat and Molly was in the back seat during the car chase. Were they wearing seatbelts? I also drive a Honda and there are sensors in the seats; if a passenger is detected, there's a very annoying chime that sounds until everyone is buckled in. Of course, this detection system can be bypassed, if you know how, or maybe if you have music blasting you might not notice it. Otherwise, you would buckle up just to get that godawful noise to stop.

I'm leaning toward thinking Colt had either a lung contusion or laceration, caused by the speeding car coming to a sudden stop, either from the seatbelt across his chest or from his chest hitting the dashboard if he didn't have the seatbelt buckled. He would have been able to survive either type of injury, but he definitely needed medical attention ASAP.

Wow! Thanks for this information! Great work! Greatly appreciated!

I have also pictured Colt in the front seat. It makes sense, because Molly was Colt's girlfriend. Guys like to put distance between another guy and their girl, which I think is a subconscious territorial thing. I'm thinking she was probably seated behind CN.

I think it was possible he had a lung laceration or contusion too, but was it possible he got hit in the mouth with the airbag? Do you think it would have went off in an accident where they didn't hit anything??

 

[OkieGranny]

I think it was possible he had a lung laceration or contusion too, but was it possible he got hit in the mouth with the airbag? Do you think it would have went off in an accident where they didn't hit anything??

Or broke his nose. I think I've read or heard somewhere that an airbag can break your nose. Hold on...

Yep, just did some quick Googling and it appears that a deploying airbag can not only break your nose, it can cause chest trauma as well.

ETA: Have been sitting here thinking about that, and am now even more interested in knowing if the airbags deployed. If they did, they would almost certainly have DNA on them. Unless someone cut the airbags away during the two weeks the car sat out there, and destroyed them. In a burning hole, perhaps?

 

[k4kathy]

Or broke his nose. I think I've read or heard somewhere that an airbag can break your nose. Hold on...

Yep, just did some quick Googling and it appears that a deploying airbag can not only break your nose, it can cause chest trauma as well.

ETA: Have been sitting here thinking about that, and am now even more interested in knowing if the airbags deployed. If they did, they would almost certainly have DNA on them. Unless someone cut the airbags away during the two weeks the car sat out there, and destroyed them. In a burning hole, perhaps?

Exactly what I mentioned here on 10/17/13.... no way to wipe clean deployed airbag, etc

 

[k4kathy]

Couldn't imagine someone recovering from a compound bone fracture without proper medical attention. It's unlikely he would bleed to death from this injury, but infection and a break right above the ankle ( if it's broken and the bone has opened the skin surface, its a shin bone... tibia or fibula. All my years working in EMS and in surgery, I can't recall one case where someone sustained a compound fracture to the extreme lower leg, always below or above the knees.... as a result of a motor vehicle accident. Seen the fracture just above the ankle on plenty of motorcycle/ATV accidents, and twice from the result of a car door slammed on the lower legs, one caused from strong wind and the other was a passenger trying to exit a moving car. At any rate, a compound fracture involves bleeding. Can't believe no blood was found in the car if Colt had a bleeding nose, open fracture to the ankle and blood from the mouth. Did airbags deploy? That will damned sure give you a bloody nose, and the bag would verify this.

 

[McSpy]

Or broke his nose. I think I've read or heard somewhere that an airbag can break your nose. Hold on...

Yep, just did some quick Googling and it appears that a deploying airbag can not only break your nose, it can cause chest trauma as well.

ETA: Have been sitting here thinking about that, and am now even more interested in knowing if the airbags deployed. If they did, they would almost certainly have DNA on them. Unless someone cut the airbags away during the two weeks the car sat out there, and destroyed them. In a burning hole, perhaps?

Good point on the DNA possibility!

I have been rolling this case around in my head for days and I've settled on the most likely conclusion, in my opinion. Unfortunately, I think Molly and Colt perished from the heat. I have a feeling they all scattered after the car wrecked. CN ran towards his grandparents' home (each man for himself mentality) and Colt and Molly ran into the woods. I think Colt broke his ankle when he ran from the scene. I also have a feeling Molly became separated from Colt (she tried to get help) and couldn't find her way back to Colt. I think the heat got to them eventually. She did complain about being thirsty in one of her early morning calls. I looked up the weather for the day they went missing and the following 2 days. The highs were in the upper 90s. I have a feeling Colt and Molly were clueless about the area and Colt's injuries had added major complications to the bad situation.
http://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/K1F0/2013/7/10/DailyHistory.html

It was a very sad situation for Molly. She was with 2 guys who were on probation and because they were on probation it had colored their decisions. They didn't want to call 911 or family.

Just my opinion for now . . It may change

 

[OkieGranny]

Thanks, k4kathy! I do remember reading that post now. Feeling silly for not looking back through this very thread.

Been looking high and low for specific info about the wreck, and this is the only thing I've been able to find:

http://newsok.com/oklahoma-girls-mysterious-disappearance-prompts-massive-search/article/3882613

The car had run through a fence and over some small trees and brush, Hernandez said. It was found not far from where the chase had ended.

Not much to go on, but could this have been enough impact to deploy the airbags? Depends on how sturdy the fence was, I guess. And the small trees. On this type of rural acreage, barbed wire fencing is very common because it's the most economical choice. Sometimes you'll see hog panels strung between the same type of metal posts that barbed wire is strung on, depending on what you want to keep in (or out).

I wonder if it was a gate and not a fence the car went through? If so, gates are generally built more solidly than the fence itself. A good solid pipe rail gate is easy to swing open and shut when you need to drive through it and will last a long time with minimal maintenance. The reason I'm wondering is because of the gate that's supposed to be at the end of Long Hollow Road, and also because it's hard to see $14,000 worth of damage to the car if it just ran through barbed wire and some saplings.

The angle of impact would be a factor too, I suppose, whether the car hit whatever it hit head-on or at an angle. Or could the car have skidded sideways through the fence? Because that could make the side-impact airbags deploy, and Molly's DNA might be on one of them if she was riding in the back seat.

Honestly, I know nothing about what it takes for an airbag to deploy and am hoping some who does will come along and discuss the possibilities with us.

McSpy, your theory is on my shortlist as well. If [the driver] did flee the scene, leaving Colt and Molly to fend for themselves and they died as a result, he's still just as responsible, IMO.

 

[Kaliste]

I just now started reading this case (still have about 10 pages to go through) but I found this to be an incredibly helpful "cheat sheet". Sometimes I get so lost when I jump in to already well established cases here. I just wanted to bump it up. Thanks to Windstorm for the help!

TIMELINE - most based on what has been reported by MSM.

June 28, 2013 - last time Molly's family actually spoke to her.

July 6, 2013 - Molly & Colt at a home in Ardmore, OK. LE checked with this home after the missing person's report was filed and resident stated they were fine then.

July 7, 2013 - Approximately 10:30 pm, a stolen 2012 purple Honda did a "doughnut" in front of a Wilson police officer and a pursuit entailed. The Wilson police officer pursued the vehicle to the Love County line. (Wilson is in Carter County). At that time, Love County LE took over the pursuit, but lost sight of the vehicle on Long Hollow Road and called off the pursuit. **it should be noted that according to locals, Long Hollow road is well known as a dead end road with a gate at the end. - reported by NewsOK on 9/14

July 8, 2013 - Molly Miller placed a 911 call at 12:57 am. The call lasted 5 seconds, but Molly never spoke. The call went to Marietta dispatch. The dispatcher did try to call Molly back, but she didn't answer. ***According to family, no officer was sent to the 911 hangup even though Molly's phone pinged off of towers at Pike Road and Long Hollow Road.

July 8, 2013 - Colt's family reports that he called several friends and said him and Molly were in a creek bed between Pike road and Long Hollow rd and that he had a broken ankle with the bone sticking out. They report that friends drove up and down the road yelling for him and honking their horn, while they had him on the phone, but he never heard the horn honking from his location.

July 8, 2013 - Molly's family report that Molly called some friends saying she was on Pike road and needed a ride.

July 8, 2013 - Molly's family report that, according to phone records, there were 33 text messages sent from Molly's phone overnight. However, Molly's family question if it was actually Molly that was sending the messages.

July 8, 2013 - Molly's family file a missing persons/runaway report with Wilson Police Department. Verified by Wilson Police Chief, Felix Hernandez.

On or about July 22, 2013 - Car was found abandoned in rough terrain in western Love County. Had run through a fence and over small trees and brush. Found not far from where chase ended. No blood or other signs of foul play on the car. - Reported by NewsOK on 9/14/13

July 26, 2013 - LE no longer consider Molly a runaway and changed her status to Missing Endangered - KTEN10

July 27, 2013 - search conducted starting at Black Gold Casino and heading down Oswalt Road. - KTEN10

August 2, 2013 - Massive two day air and ground search - Ardmoreite

August 7, 2013 - Another search starting again at Black Gold Casino.

September 11, 2013 - Officials met at Carter County Sheriff's office with Molly's family. David Seals, special agent with the Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation (OSBI) said they have tips that Molly & Colt are alive and well in north Texas, central Oklahoma and southern Oklahoma. He also stated that they also have tips that they are deceased. - KTEN10 9/21/13

September 24, 2013 - Search conducted near Pike road. Deputies stated when they got to the location, they found a 10' hole that was on fire. Tip came into Molly's family from a man that said he smelled a dead body. OSBI, local LE and Oklahoma Highway Patrol participated in the search and took samples. - KTEN10 9/25/13

October 4, 2013 - News9 reached out to the driver of the car for a comment. Request for comment had not been returned and driver had hired a lawyer. - News9 10/4/13


***I will probably find more to add and if I do I will edit, but I wanted to get the bare bones of this case up.

This bothers me so much:
"July 8, 2013 - Colt's family reports that he called several friends and said him and Molly were in a creek bed between Pike road and Long Hollow rd and that he had a broken ankle with the bone sticking out. They report that friends drove up and down the road yelling for him and honking their horn, while they had him on the phone, but he never heard the horn honking from his location. "

It's very spooky (for lack of a better term). Has his location been at the time of those calls be pin pointed by pings? Is it possible he had suffered head trauma and was confused as to his whereabouts? Thinking of him lying injured and calling friends WHILE his friends were driving that road honking and calling for him hurts my heart and gives me a deep down scares feeling. This is straight out of a horror movie.

 

[Kaliste]

What happened between the time of the crash and the time the calls stopped? Seems both Molly(besides the 5 second 911 call) and Colt were able to make several calls to friends. What time was the call from Colt about the broken leg to his friend made? Minutes or hours after Molly's 911 call? He didn't say anything about Molly on that call? Didn't say that something bad was happening (besides his injury)?

I feel if every call to and from BOTH phones along with the location of the pings for those calls and exact times with explanation of what was said and who was called were mapped out things would be a lot clearer.

Were the calls from Molly's phones AFTER the 911 call?

Sorry for all the questions, I'm sure most have been answered. I'm just trying to get myself up to speed to help you all out!

 

[McSpy]

Over the phone that night, Colt had told a friend or two that he was in a creek bed. I wonder if that creek was dry? I'm thinking it is doubtful that he was in a wet creek bed.

 

[McSpy]

I just now started reading this case (still have about 10 pages to go through) but I found this to be an incredibly helpful "cheat sheet". Sometimes I get so lost when I jump in to already well established cases here. I just wanted to bump it up. Thanks to Windstorm for the help!




This bothers me so much:
"July 8, 2013 - Colt's family reports that he called several friends and said him and Molly were in a creek bed between Pike road and Long Hollow rd and that he had a broken ankle with the bone sticking out. They report that friends drove up and down the road yelling for him and honking their horn, while they had him on the phone, but he never heard the horn honking from his location. "

It's very spooky (for lack of a better term). Has his location been at the time of those calls be pin pointed by pings? Is it possible he had suffered head trauma and was confused as to his whereabouts? Thinking of him lying injured and calling friends WHILE his friends were driving that road honking and calling for him hurts my heart and gives me a deep down scares feeling. This is straight out of a horror movie.

I have a feeling Colt and Molly bolted from the wrecked car and ran until Colt got hurt. They could have ran further into the woods than they imagined. Colt probably thought the police would be hunting him down, so he didn't think about the possibility of getting lost. Molly just followed along.

JMO

 

[McSpy]

What happened between the time of the crash and the time the calls stopped? Seems both Molly(besides the 5 second 911 call) and Colt were able to make several calls to friends. What time was the call from Colt about the broken leg to his friend made? Minutes or hours after Molly's 911 call? He didn't say anything about Molly on that call? Didn't say that something bad was happening (besides his injury)?

I feel if every call to and from BOTH phones along with the location of the pings for those calls and exact times with explanation of what was said and who was called were mapped out things would be a lot clearer.

Were the calls from Molly's phones AFTER the 911 call?

Sorry for all the questions, I'm sure most have been answered. I'm just trying to get myself up to speed to help you all out!

Bolded by me

I'm pretty sure all of Molly's and Colt's calls for help were after the 911 call. IMO, Molly's call was stopped by CN or Colt, because both were on probation. They didn't want any contact with police.

I need to double check about the 911 call timing to be sure . .

 

[McSpy]

This article seems to say that the 911 call happened right after the car wrecked.

http://www.news9.com/story/23614262/friends-family-speak-out-for-second-missing-wilson-teen

It really makes me very sad that Molly just didn't push Colt's concerns aside (police involvement) and call 911, especially when she was very thirsty and had spent the night in the woods. I'm afraid it may have cost them their lives.

JMO

 

[Hatfield]

This below is definitely one spot to focus searching on. This is pretty specific. Searches could hone in on JUST the creek beds in the area. That would help limit the searching...

"July 8, 2013 - Colt's family reports that he called several friends and said him and Molly were in a creek bed between Pike road and Long Hollow rd and that he had a broken ankle with the bone sticking out. "

This could be the spot where they waited a long time. Creek beds in that area are generally dry creek beds because most creeks in Oklahoma and Texas are "run off" type creeks where they only fill up when good rains come. If there was water, it most likely wasnt too deep, and maybe they went there to find water.

A couple bad things too.....is if they drank any creek water, they could have gotten very sick and this could have made them both too sick to even walk.
If the creek banks were really steep, it may have made it very difficult for Colt to get out of the creek with a broken ankle. Molly may have stayed with him for awhile, and by the time she decided to go get help, she may have been either too dehydrated or too sick to make it far herself.

 

[Hatfield]

With Theory #2 in mind, I spent some time on Google Earth examining every bit of the land between Pike and Long Hollow.

One news article I read this week mentioned that The Property That Cannot Be Searched covers 60 acres, and that made me start thinking about the other properties on those two roads and how they are probably of a similar size. You don't buy a postage-stamp-sized lot out in the boonies like you do in the suburbs; you want an acreage, enough land to raise some cattle and keep a few horses, maybe grow some crops, and so you'd clear a large portion of the land to make it suitable for your purposes. Or, more likely, the generations of families who lived on that land before you did the clearing.

Anyway, I found each driveway and followed it up to each residence and then looked for the fencelines surrounding each property, which are often made obvious by the straight lines marking boundaries between cleared land and wooded areas. Once I started looking at it that way, I realized that there are lots of open spaces in the area between the two roads. Lots and lots of cleared land interspersed with wooded areas.

And as dense as those wooded areas may be, none of them are very large. It's hard to find any wooded area between Pike and Long Hollow more than 1000 feet wide without a road or a trail to follow running right through it. There are a few, off the end of Long Hollow to the east and west, but they aren't that much bigger. Plenty of places to hide a body or two, but an able-bodied person wouldn't stay lost very long in any of them if they just kept moving.

A different story, of course, if a person had just been injured in a car wreck or in some kind of altercation afterward.

The only wooded area I could find nearby that looks like a place someone might get hopelessly lost is the one running south from Oswalt on the east side of Long Hollow; it's maybe a mile long and half a mile wide. Surely it's been searched already but if it hasn't, it needs to be.

Thanks for doing this sort of checking on the maps. I agree that area would typically not have woods for miles and miles without finally coming out to a clearing, but here is what I am wondering about.....

If we go with Theory #2,
I think at first they did not want to be found by LE or anyone else except their friends or someone who could get them out of there. I am afraid that they were afraid of being caught because of the LE car chase the night before. I think maybe at first they were purposely trying to avoid all houses and vehicles and were hoping they could get to a main road where they could hitchhike or something. By the time they realized their lives were really in danger due to dehydration, injury, etc., it was maybe too late and maybe even Molly was too sick to make it far.

The other thing about that area, that even though there is lots of land, I am sure there were certain parts that really did not have too many houses at all. So, depending on where they were, if Molly finally decided to go to the next house she finds, it may have been a long ways off, and only if she headed in the right direction. If she went the wrong way, I could see a scenerio where she may not even find a house for a long ways. 60 to 100 acre properties would have lots of spots where either no houses or few houses, since some people buy land just for farming or grazing and they dont live on the land. If I read things right, they were in an area with unpaved gravel or dirt type roads, so that indicates they were pretty far out in the sticks and not much vehicle traffic on those back country roads. So, there would not be too many houses either I wouldnt think.

I am really afraid that they were purposely avoiding all cars and houses at first, thinking any car was LE. Trying to put myself in their shoes, and I could see them actually ducking into the woods if a car approached thinking everyone was LE and out to get them. By the time Molly may have realized she was sick or in need of help, she may not have been in good condition herself. It is horrible to even think about.

All this of course is only if Theory 2 is what turned out to be the case.

 

[windstorm]

This below is definitely one spot to focus searching on. This is pretty specific.

"July 8, 2013 - Colt's family reports that he called several friends and said him and Molly were in a creek bed between Pike road and Long Hollow rd and that he had a broken ankle with the bone sticking out. "

This could be the spot where they waited a long time. Creek beds in that area are generally dry creek beds because most creeks in Oklahoma and Texas are "run off" type creeks where they only fill up when good rains come. If there was water, it most likely wasnt too deep, and maybe they went there to find water.

A couple bad things too.....is if they drank the water, they could have gotten very sick and this could have made them both too sick to even walk.
If the creek banks were really steep, it may have made it very difficult for Colt to get out of the creek with a broken ankle. Molly may have stayed with him for awhile, and by the time she decided to go get help, she may have been either too dehydrated or too sick to make it far herself.

We discussed this unthread somewhere if I remember correctly. It was dark and at least Colt was injured, so it's possible they got turned around and weren't actually in a creek bed between Pike and Long Hollow roads. There is a larger creek to the east of Long Hollow road (Walnut Bayou) and they possibly could have been there instead. That would account for Colt not being able to hear the friends when they drove around yelling and honking for him.

Also, The Land that Cannot be Searched still hasn't been searched. In my opinion, until that land is searched, they have not exhausted all leads in that area.

 

[Hatfield]

We discussed this unthread somewhere if I remember correctly. It was dark and at least Colt was injured, so it's possible they got turned around and weren't actually in a creek bed between Pike and Long Hollow roads. There is a larger creek to the east of Long Hollow road (Walnut Bayou) and they possibly could have been there instead. That would account for Colt not being able to hear the friends when they drove around yelling and honking for him.

Also, The Land that Cannot be Searched still hasn't been searched. In my opinion, until that land is searched, they have not exhausted all leads in that area.

Good points and I agree that there are things that need searched very badly. Preferably by outside area LE like the FBI.

I wish we knew precisely where the location of the fire pit was in relation to the car wreck.

Got to thinking about if they were lost, and they had a lighter, they would build a fire at night, and they also may build one to signal for help. So, if they managed to build a fire and stayed at the fire, what if the wrong people found them too late and they had already passed away and were near the fire? Would they just build a bigger fire and get rid of evidence because they were afraid of culpability?

Didn't we read that the fire was burning for days, and maybe even weeks? It seems really odd that a fire would be burning so long. And then we hear that a backhoe came and buried the fire using a backhoe.

Something really seems strange about that fire pit. Molly's mom sure seemed like she wanted a better search of the fire pit area. I agree with her, and a good forensic team could still possibly find things in the area of the fire pit. Its not like everything can be burned to ashes in most fires. There usually are bits and pieces of things that could still be found.

We have such limited information, it is really hard in this case. It would be great if we had a google map with precise markings of the car wreck, the fire pit, the drivers house, those 2 roads, etc., and that would help us see how far apart things were. Some people are good with creating BING maps with markings on them.

But you are so right that things need searched the right way. Preferably by someone like the FBI with no ties to the area. If I was the family, I would not even want OSBI at this point.