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Thanks for posting, I think I was still reeling from the comments from Superintendent Ryan Walters.
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Thanks for posting, I think I was still reeling from the comments from Superintendent Ryan Walters.
RSBMThen NB responded by pouring water on the girls and the situation (wrongly) escalated from there. Where does this turn from a group of kids who just didn't get along into a hate crime?
I know that you believe that nothing justified the attack but the water throwing incident is very important In the known sequence of events.RSBM
When kids use physical violence it becomes a crime. Just like adults.
IMHO I don't focus on the hate crime designation, nobody deserves to be assaulted by a group of people at school.
Nobody. No matter what.
IMHO I want to know why there is a suspicion that a victim caused their own assault. We are victim friendly. The "both sides" interest means we are looking for exculpatory evidence on the attackers, which doesn't exist. Nothing justifies the attackers' actions.
Why are violent kids in schools being protected, instead of expelled? Why is being jumped in the bathroom so common in the first place?
edit:RSBM
I know that you believe that nothing justified the attack but the water throwing incident is very important In the known sequence of events.
After the event we now know that the liquid that made contact with the 3 girls was water.
The 3 girls have a strong case to argue that they panicked not knowing what the liquid was.
Yeah I know this will be an unpopular opinion but that's how I can see it being argued if it went to court.
JMO
BBM. No, the three girls don't have a strong case at all. The girls were not injured.I know that you believe that nothing justified the attack but the water throwing incident is very important In the known sequence of events.
After the event we now know that the liquid that made contact with the 3 girls was water.
The 3 girls have a strong case to argue that they panicked not knowing what the liquid was.
Yeah I know this will be an unpopular opinion but that's how I can see it being argued if it went to court.
JMO
There is currently a similar situation in the USA with a 16 yo in a coma and possibly brain damaged after a similar attack:BBM. No, the three girls don't have a strong case at all. The girls were not injured.
There is no justification for the three of them to tackle Nex onto the floor and head-bash to the point of unconsciousness.
All three should be prosecuted.
JMO
There is currently a similar situation in the USA with a 16 yo in a coma and possibly brain damaged after a similar attack:
Missouri, St. Louis - Teenage girl in critical condition after brutal fight with another female teen near Hazelwood East High School, 8 March 2024
Throwing water into somebody does not justify murder, at one point they must have realised what they were doing and I said this from experience of hitting another girl when I was a teen, it was like a switch came on and I stopped, I clearly remember walking away (she was bruised badly and I cannot remember what brought the fight, I didn’t even know her…)
Pounding someone’s head on concrete and dumping water on someone’s head are the same?
The cases are no where similar, and should not be compared.
Jmo
We don’t know if there is a crime. Nex escalated the altercation by throwing the water, then the three girls escalated it by making direct physical contact with Nex. The crime would presumably be if any of those escalations themselves violated the applicable laws, or if the actions after the initial escalation were considered to continue beyond what was legal.
I personally find it hard to believe that three people beating up one person is a reasonable escalation from one person pouring/throwing water/a water bottle on someone, but we just don’t know what happened or if it rises to the level of a crime. Which is why it would be nice to hear the three girls’ accounts of the situation. I doubt we will until or unless charges are filed.
We don’t know what happened, and what we do know we are hearing from very biased sources (I include OK public officials and LE as biased).
Nobody is saying they are the same. Two kids have been bashed, one is dead and one is severely injuredPounding someone’s head on concrete and dumping water on someone’s head are the same?
The cases are no where similar, and should not be compared.
Jmo
Thank you!I don't think that poster is comparing dumping water to the St. Louis case. I think the poster is comparing the jumping Nex in the bathroom to the St. Louis case.
Thank you!
Nex's head was bashed against the floor to the point of unconsciousness. Concluding it was suicide is laughably absurd.I’m not aware that her head was bashed, I was referring to the girl that is in a coma not the one dumping water. That was suicide.
Full Nex Benedict Coverage"From the beginning of this investigation, Owasso Police observed many indications that this death was the result of suicide. However, investigators did not wish to confirm that information without the final results being presented by the Oklahoma Medical Examiner's Office. The Oklahoma Medical Examiner’s report has now been made public. See Oklahoma Medical Examiner’s report for Cause of Death and Means. The Owasso Police Department would like to take this moment to inform anyone in crisis or contemplating suicide of the Oklahoma Mental Health Lifeline, just call or text 988."
Nex: "We don't know each other."
Officer: "You know of each other, with the vape situations and all that."
Nex: "No. Before this ISP thing, We never saw each other. They're freshmen, we're sophomores. We didn't know any."
Benedict told the officer the girls in the bathroom were making fun of the way Benedict and their friends were laughing about something.
Here is the transcript of what Benedict said happened next:
Nex: "They were talking about us, in front of us. So I went up there and I poured water on them. And then all three of them came at me."
Nex: They grabbed onto my hair. I grabbed onto them. I threw one of them into a paper towel dispenser. Then they got my legs out from under me and got me on the ground and started beating me."
I’m confused as to why WSers would doubt the possibility of suicide? I understand why the family has opinions, and I think it would make sense for them to want an independent autopsy, but why should we think it couldn’t be suicide?
Nex was a teenager whose identity made them the target of active bullying and passive hostility, from their peers to their government. IMO Nex’s description of the altercation doesn’t sound like the girls at the time were necessarily saying anything about Nex’s gender identity, but it was maybe just one more instance of being “othered” and made to feel less than. Nex did not have to pour water on the girls to defend themself (according to Nex’s description) or get out of the situation. I’m not stating if that action was wrong, but it was an escalation and to me seems like someone who was fed up. If that’s the case, especially to a teenager who has relatively little control over their life, suicide could feel like a reasonable choice.
snipped for focus. @MyBelle Per your post, Nex's "head was bashed against the floor to the point of unconsciousness."Nex's head was bashed against the floor to the point of unconsciousness....