Paul Grice who the 16 year old named him and said he was present at the February failed op to kill Veronica. The 16 year old believed he was there when both ladies were murdered but, I think, her belief was due to having overheard the plans for the murders. It's not clear, to me, if Cora named him, to her daughter, as being there at the murders.
If anyone gets a plea deal, maybe it will be Grice. Maybe he already got one. Or not, it's hard to know what's going on with that one.
Something makes me think Grice wasn't there at the killings. I don't see how they could have kept from arresting him if he'd been there. Even if they made a deal with him -- it wouldn't be to walk free if he had taken part in the ambush and murder of two innocent women.
I wonder if the judge was being used in this case and how many "friends" with good titles have been invited by TA and TC to their homes in the past two weeks? TC told the landowner he was being looked at in the case. So, the two of them have known.
Perhaps 911 received a call about an abandoned vehicle and did not get excited about it.If someone saw the vehicle before 12:09 p.m., it sounds like they did not call police.
The car was found and reported after noon, and we saw the police presence (video) at what must have been 12:30 p.m. or later.
It sounds like people came forward later and said they saw the vehicle with a broken window. However, the car was reported to be 1000 ft from the intersection of Hwy 95 and Road L. I couldn't say that a car window was broken from that distance.
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Court Documents: 4 suspects in missing Kansas women case part of anti-government group
Court documents show the details of the investigation that led to the arrest of four suspects in the murders of Veronica Butler and Jillian Kelley.www.newschannel10.com
Naturally, lawyers for the defendants are going to argue for bail. If they're not represented today, the defendants will likely later have a lawyer file a motion for bail and get back in front of a judge.^^bubm
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Although it was reported as linked above that bail has been set for the four suspects, we know this is not true for a couple of reasons.
First, pursuant to OK criminal procedures, setting bail requires a hearing before the Judge, and the four named defendants for this case haven't even made their initial appearances yet!
Second, as each are being charged with two counts of first degree murder, capital offenses, (in addition to other charges), where the crime is punishable by death, imprisonment for life, or imprisonment for life without parole, they are not eligible for bail release at this time.
Pursuant to the OK Constitution, while bail is a right, it may be denied for the following:
Yet, even if the Defendant is charged with one of the above offenses, the proof or presumption of guilt must be great.
- capital offenses when the proof of guilt is evident, or the presumption thereof is great;
- violent offenses;
- offenses where the maximum sentence may be life imprisonment or life imprisonment without parole;
- felony offenses where the person charged with the offense has been convicted of two or more felony offenses arising out of different transactions; and
- controlled dangerous substances offenses where the maximum sentence may be at least ten (10) years imprisonment.
During the preliminary hearing, if the State fails to satisfy the PEPG burden to hold the defendant until the trial concludes, only then will a defendant charged with a capital offense be considered for pretrial bail release.
The Criminal Process
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I feel so sorry for VB as she's known for a long time she was in danger.
I think this is a big reason why it just isn't enough that those four are locked up as of right now, because so many others failed Veronica for years and Jilian that horrible day. Maybe it's me but it's been more difficult to let this one go with their arrests. So many decisions for years led to this point. It's not enough others have to live with a guilty conscious because there could have been a very different outcome if someone had taken the time to just listen to Veronica and even Wrangler at times.
Are you saying TA was going to hurt the judge on his walk to work? If Rickman is not charged, I still hope he doesn’t regain custody of his children. It seems there are several people who could have alerted Veronica and LE about these horrible plans. This case sickens me. TA did not want the children for their best interest, she wanted them to win in her crazy mind. I hope no plea deals are offered and all get the death penalty. The man who wasn’t arrested, but involved, is so interesting to me. Regardless of his knowledge of the murder plans, and possibly any knowledge of other damning evidence against the others, I wish he had tipped Veronica off. Hopefully we learn more about him as the case unfolds.
So, when Cora's daughter told LE her mom said "it didn't go as planned", maybe that's because Grice backed out of whatever vile plan they had, never showed up and things went differently. Maybe that's why he was never charged with anything, because he spilled the beans on the whole deal?
www.newsnationnow.com
YES!
Thank goodness for this resignation.APR 17, 2024
[...]Suspects in killing of 2 Kansas moms denied bond
Each of the four suspects arrested in connection to the killings were denied bond.
On Tuesday, police towed away a white trailer from a property Cullum allegedly has ties to. Witnesses say they saw the trailer in the area where the women were killed.
[...]
Vincent Forbes, a local municipal court judge who says he’s a friend of Cullums, told NewsNation’s Brian Entin Tuesday that he had been in regular contact with Cullum and was even present at the residence during the police raid.
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Forbes, who is also Cullum’s business partner, said he never got a “bad vibe,” describing him as “one of the nicest, funniest” people he knew. However, Forbes acknowledged that Adams seemed “a little bit out of left field.”
[...]
Forbes has been forced to resign since telling NewsNation he was shocked by the killings. The judge’s decision to speak out about the case appears to have angered local officials, with the mayor who appointed him demanding his resignation.
APR 17, 2024
[...]Suspects in killing of 2 Kansas moms denied bond
Each of the four suspects arrested in connection to the killings were denied bond.
On Tuesday, police towed away a white trailer from a property Cullum allegedly has ties to. Witnesses say they saw the trailer in the area where the women were killed.
[...]
Vincent Forbes, a local municipal court judge who says he’s a friend of Cullums, told NewsNation’s Brian Entin Tuesday that he had been in regular contact with Cullum and was even present at the residence during the police raid.
[...]
Forbes, who is also Cullum’s business partner, said he never got a “bad vibe,” describing him as “one of the nicest, funniest” people he knew. However, Forbes acknowledged that Adams seemed “a little bit out of left field.”
[...]
Forbes has been forced to resign since telling NewsNation he was shocked by the killings. The judge’s decision to speak out about the case appears to have angered local officials, with the mayor who appointed him demanding his resignation.
